Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

IF this turns out to be true and Vick was there, and involved in the altercation then he will be indefinately suspended one, and two violating the rules of the propation will send him back to jail. No one at the party is cooperating right now, but they will get the answers they want. Vick was there, it was his 30th. Saying he wasn't there is just a flat out lie and everyone knows it. Fact remains, the guy is a total idiot. You were given a second chance to earn MILLIONS of dollars and still have a nice little 4 or 5 year career, then get out and take the 10 - 20 million you made over that span and enjoy your life. But he couldn't even last 1.5years without his true colors coming out. If its your 30th, you have millions of dollars why not have something are your multimillion dollar mansion?? silly stuff. then to have the people (your suppose to not even see or speak to) at the party. handing out fliers to your party?? really...how stupid. You are a star athlete (well, was a star) and you have to give out fliers to your party...kinda 3rd rate isn't it?

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

You've hit the nail on the head. Most assume Vick was not the shooter, and i believe he wasn't, but the fact is Vick was partying and hanging out with the very people he is forbid to have contact with, according to the rules of his probation...

That is goodell's issue. And it is dumb of him to say he wasnt there. It was his own b-day party...

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=#56fanatic;709318]IF this turns out to be true and Vick was there, and involved in the altercation then he will be indefinately suspended one, and two violating the rules of the propation will send him back to jail. No one at the party is cooperating right now, but they will get the answers they want. Vick was there, it was his 30th. Saying he wasn't there is just a flat out lie and everyone knows it. Fact remains, the guy is a total idiot. You were given a second chance to earn MILLIONS of dollars and still have a nice little 4 or 5 year career, then get out and take the 10 - 20 million you made over that span and enjoy your life. But he couldn't even last 1.5years without his true colors coming out. If its your 30th, you have millions of dollars why not have something are your multimillion dollar mansion?? silly stuff. then to have the people (your suppose to not even see or speak to) at the party. handing out fliers to your party?? really...how stupid. You are a star athlete (well, was a star) and you have to give out fliers to your party...kinda 3rd rate isn't it?[/quote]

I think Vick is a scumbag, but honestly, other than the associate/co-defendant being present at the party, has Vick done anything wrong?

First, he doesn't have a huge mansion, he is bankrupt and paying off his debtors with the majority of his NFL income. Second, someone threw him a party, but he was not the organizer if I understand correctly. How can he control who shows up? Third, the guy is on camera leaving the club 15 minutes before the fight broke out, so how, exactly, is the fight his fault? Granted, being at a club at all is not a smart thing to do if you are on probation, but this is not some thug haven, it is an upscale club in a very nice and (as mentioned) safe part of town.

Until more evidence surfaces that Vick knowingly invited or hung out with Phillips, or that he was directly involved with the altercation, anything said here is pure speculation. Bad karma for him? Maybe. But I am failing to see where he did anything intentionally in violation of his probation.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=Mc2guy;709322]I think Vick is a scumbag, but honestly, other than the associate/co-defendant being present at the party, has Vick done anything wrong?

First, he doesn't have a huge mansion, he is bankrupt and paying off his debtors with the majority of his NFL income. Second, someone threw him a party, but he was not the organizer if I understand correctly. How can he control who shows up? Third, the guy is on camera leaving the club 15 minutes before the fight broke out, so how, exactly, is the fight his fault? Granted, being at a club at all is not a smart thing to do if you are on probation, but this is not some thug haven, it is an upscale club in a very nice and (as mentioned) safe part of town.

Until more evidence surfaces that Vick knowingly invited or hung out with Phillips, or that he was directly involved with the altercation, anything said here is pure speculation. Bad karma for him? Maybe. But I am failing to see where he did anything intentionally in violation of his probation.[/quote]

Yeah, this is how I basically see it. Really a wait and see if more develops from the situation.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

sounds like, except for throwing a big party at a club in the late night hours with alcohol in your old neighborhood where your past criminal associates are likely to pop up even though you have a court order to not associate with such people, vick didnt do anything wrong.

atleast he was smart enough to leave the scene before things popped off.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

Regardless if Vick was directly involved, I think he'll be facing a suspension this season over this.

If Goodell is going to be consistent with his recent Roethlisberger punishment, that is.



So this will leave the Eagles with Kolb and Mike Kafka. After being so confident at QB that they could ship McNabb out...they'll be relying solely on Kolb, which is not a given.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=over the mountain;709329]sounds like, except for throwing a big party at a club in the late night hours with alcohol in your old neighborhood where your past criminal associates are likely to pop up even though you have a court order to not associate with such people, vick didnt do anything wrong.

atleast he was smart enough to leave the scene before things popped off.[/quote]

Maybe, but it doesn't sound like it was at his old hangouts, and it was his 30th birthday, and no dogs were harmed (that we know) and he has, by some accounts, worked to keep away from the environment that was related to his past. As for the associates, if they were invited in anyway then he was in the wrong, but if they got wind and showed up without his knowledge, I would have a hard time faulting him.

I am not really trying to defend him, as much as trying to say wait and see. If Goodell, or the feds, hit him, and they have proof, then that's fine and good by me. But maybe he just had a birthday party, left, and other idgits caused problems. I dunno.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;709337]But maybe he just had a birthday party, left, and other idgits caused problems. I dunno.[/quote]

You are the company that you keep. The Commish tends to agree with this also. Normal people do not shoot others at birthday parties.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

vick is not very bright he should have stayed home. but being that he is from east end new port news i can understand why he just wont leave it alone. he grew up in a very bad spot so he knows no different. you would have thought he would have learned his lesson with the dogs but guess not.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;709321]You've hit the nail on the head. Most assume Vick was not the shooter, and i believe he wasn't, [B]but the fact is Vick was partying and hanging out with the very people he is forbid to have contact with[/B], according to the rules of his probation...

That is goodell's issue. And it is dumb of him to say he wasnt there. It was his own b-day party...[/quote]

What if Vick and associate got into it because Vick didn't want him there. I highly doubt Vick would just totally disobey the NFL rules and want to go back to prison. From several reports they have Vick's Benz on tape leaving before the shooting occurred. Roddy White stated he was with Vick and they didn't know about the shooting until later. The whole thing about saying he wasn't there meant he wasn't there when the shooting happened not he wasn't there at all.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

Apparently Phillips stuffed birthday cake in Vick's face...which I've always found is reason enough to get my trigger finger ready.

But anyway, definitely should take a wait and see approach here. Vick probably, as mentioned before, had little to no control over who was on that guest list anyway

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=SmootSmack;709374]Apparently Phillips stuffed birthday cake in Vick's face...which I've always found is reason enough to get my trigger finger ready.

But anyway, definitely should take a wait and see approach here. Vick probably, as mentioned before, had little to no control over who was on that guest list anyway[/quote]

Well Smoot I can't say he didn't have any control over the guest list that's a lie. What usually happens when you throw a b-day party in a CLUB they give you a or the V.I.P. section. So the host has control over that section but not the whole club. So as long as you pay the cover charge anybody can get in the club. It's not like celebes don't advertise they're parties either. I went to D. Hall's b-day bash in ATL when he was a Falcon but i couldn't go his section tho but he ran radio ads for days.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

Doesn't seem like Vick is guilty of anything except for having questionable judgement and being a moron, but what else is new? I'm sure the commish is gonna want to have a little sit down with him.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=Buster;709333]Regardless if Vick was directly involved, I think he'll be facing a suspension this season over this.

If Goodell is going to be consistent with his recent Roethlisberger punishment, that is.



So this will leave the Eagles with Kolb and Mike Kafka. After being so confident at QB that they could ship McNabb out...they'll be relying solely on Kolb, which is not a given.[/quote]

If Kolb goes down and Vick is suspended then the Eagles front office is to blame. They should've known better to depend of a guy like Vick. I mean I've had b-day parties before and no one brings guns. I bet he gets suspended for not only hanging aroound Phillips but for also hanging around someone that brings a gun to a b-day party. What a dumb ass.

Re: Man shot after confrontation with Vick at Michael Vick's 30th birthday party
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;709379]Well Smoot I can't say he didn't have any control over the guest list that's a lie. What usually happens when you throw a b-day party in a CLUB they give you a or the V.I.P. section. So the host has control over that section but not the whole club. So as long as you pay the cover charge anybody can get in the club. It's not like celebes don't advertise they're parties either. I went to D. Hall's b-day bash in ATL when he was a Falcon but i couldn't go his section tho but he ran radio ads for days.[/quote]

I'm not following you. Are you saying he had control over who got into his party, but not over who got into the club?