[QUOTE=SUNRA]As Tre Johnson said on the Redskins show, "Ramsey is paid to come in and give his team a lift when the other QB isn't. It's not a unique phenomenon, to have a QB come in from behind and win a game. I'm not that understanding of turnovers for someone who is not a rookie in the first place. Secondly, a good QB would approach this mid-season change as a way to make Gibbs a believer in him. Ramsey's preparation in practice was questioned by Bugel and I see why. When a reporter asked Ramsey after the game if he thought he would get a chance to play after the consistenly bad performances of Brunell? He actually said, No. I didn't really think I would play. How in the hell did he not think he would get a chance to play? If he thought like that, his preparation in practice was not all that great.[/QUOTE]

His preparation in practice? He only gets 10% of the reps.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I understand your what you're trying to say with the Manning comparison.

Here are the numbers for their first 16 starts of their careers:

Ramsey: 296/564, 52.5%, 3705 yards, 23 TD's 17 INT's

Manning: 326/575 56.7%, 3739 yards, 26 TD's 28 INT's

And just for good measure,

Carr: 233/444, 52.5%, 2592 yards, 9 TD's 15 INT's

It's pretty rare for a QB to have more TD's than INT's so early in their career, yet somehow Ramsey has been pegged for being an INT machine lately.

I'd be willing to bet that under different circumstances he wouldn't have even attempted some of the throws that have resulted in INT's for him this year. Problem is he's come in to the game with the team way behind and he's forced some things to try to make things happen.[/QUOTE]

It's interesting how you want to use Ramsey's rookie stats to promote his cause. But if I mention his losses compared to his wins in that year, is that blasphemy? Your are as good as the last game you play. Criticize Ramsey's play after the Eagles game the same way Brunell was criticized after each game. Just be fair.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]It's interesting how you want to use Ramsey's rookie stats to promote his cause. But if I mention his losses compared to his wins in that year, is that blasphemy? Your are as good as the last game you play. Criticize Ramsey's play after the Eagles game the same way Brunell was criticized after each game. Just be fair.[/QUOTE]Actually those numbers are from his first [u]16 starts[/u], not just his rookie season.

It's not fair to judge Brunell and Ramsey on the same level.

Brunell is an 11 year vet, Ramsey is 25 and only has limited experience.

Sorry but an 11 year vet is going to be held to a higher standard than someone who will be making just his 17th career start.

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]His preparation in practice? He only gets 10% of the reps.[/QUOTE]

He gets 10% of the reps with the first team or 10% in practice as a whole?

If the first true, he's getting practice with somebody or Bugel would not have made that statement. Look, he's not a baby. If he's practicing with the second team at least he got to throw to McCants . I don't think he still understands the playbook and that has caused a lot of problems for him.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]He gets 10% of the reps with the first team or 10% in practice as a whole?

If the first true, he's getting practice with somebody or Bugel would not have made that statement. Look, he's not a baby. If he's practicing with the second team at least he got to throw to McCants . I don't think he still understands the playbook and that has caused a lot of problems for him.[/QUOTE]


You could be right, but I thought Gibbs said that Ramsey was a good student of the game and that he studies his film and playbook.

I'm not saying he's a baby, but you want us to be fair with Brunell? Can you be fair with Ramsey?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Actually those numbers are from his first [u]16 starts[/u], not just his rookie season.

It's not fair to judge Brunell and Ramsey on the same level.

Brunell is an 11 year vet, Ramsey is 25 and only has limited experience.

Sorry but an 11 year vet is going to be held to a higher standard than someone who will be making just his 17th career start.[/QUOTE

Your record says who you are. If he's a starter he's held to the same standard as a veteran. They don't a have one column for 3 year QB's and another for 11 year veterans.

[quote]Your record says who you are. If he's a starter he's held to the same standard as a veteran. They don't a have one column for 3 year QB's and another for 11 year veterans.[/QUOTE]
There's much more to evaluating a QB than just the won-loss record.

Craig Krenzel is 3-0 this year for the Bears with a QB rating of 49.0, is he Pro Bowl bound?

Doubt it.

I, personally feel bad for Mark Brunell. We all killed him for weeks, announcers killed him and fans at the stadium killed him with criticism and boos. I don't feel bad about it, but I do feel bad for the man. It's not his fault he can't get it done anymore.

You can mention Ramsey's record in 16 starts all you want:

Manning 3-13
Carr 5-11
Ramsey 6-10

And he got knocked out of his last start. That's pretty consistent with other young quarterbacks wouldn't you say?

I do feel bad for Brunell, that said, he needed to be pulled regardless of his feelings.

[quote=SUNRA]You have to read the thread by Jdlea who first made the comparison between Ramsey and Manning like that's something to brag about. Presently,Manning is the best QB in the league, so why waste time with frivilous comparisons when Ramsey is just getting out of the basement? Some of you guys need to stop counting your eggs before they hatch.[/quote]

its worth noting that his start was at least as good as some more prominent names, and helps prove that he has an honest shot to be worthwhile. no rookie QB (cept roth) is really that great from the start... it takes time. You've followed brunell and blamed him not getting it done on the WRs, the OLine, and the defense for not scoring... now ramsey comes in and you turn around and immediately crucify him, what gives?

all the stats show that he has the potential, you say he hasn't done anything; HE HAS, but if you don't give him an honest shot, he won't really be able to improve much now will he?

and the ONLY one on this board calling ramsey an "INT machine" is SUNRA, others have brought up more ints (but brunell had tons of turn overs himself), but SUNRA is the only person that has post after post about how horrible ramsey is and the massive sacks and ints and suffering he'll inflict on the team. pleasee chill and give him some time... I'd bring up more stats, but you obviously haven't cared or given them ANY regard thusfar, and last time I got a nice two paragraph flaming for even mentioning them (you have yet to refute ANY of those points i've made btw), so i'll can that for now and just say i disagree and i'm not sure why you're so determined to trash ramsey in every post...

[quote=SUNRA]The point is that comparing Ramsey to other more successful QB's is a waste of time.[/quote]

WHAT??? so what are we supposed to do, only compared players to douches and turd sandwiches?? how about this, in under 40 minutes he had more yards and TDs than brunell in 120 minutes, yet you rather start hasslebeck (if ramsey has done nothing, hasslebeck has done LESS than nothing... and thrown for a 0.0 rating to boot)...

you argue why he's crap, the facts prove you wrong on every point you bring up, yet you still continue... what gives?

[QUOTE=That Guy]WHAT??? so what are we supposed to do, only compared players to douches and turd sandwiches??[/QUOTE]
LOL

Well, we could compare Brunell to those items

I think he's about on par with both...lol j/k.

Seriously though...Ramsey deserves a shot!

[QUOTE=That Guy]its worth noting that his start was at least as good as some more prominent names, and helps prove that he has an honest shot to be worthwhile. no rookie QB (cept roth) is really that great from the start... it takes time. You've followed brunell and blamed him not getting it done on the WRs, the OLine, and the defense for not scoring... now ramsey comes in and you turn around and immediately crucify him, what gives?

all the stats show that he has the potential, you say he hasn't done anything; HE HAS, but if you don't give him an honest shot, he won't really be able to improve much now will he?

and the ONLY one on this board calling ramsey an "INT machine" is SUNRA, others have brought up more ints (but brunell had tons of turn overs himself), but SUNRA is the only person that has post after post about how horrible ramsey is and the massive sacks and ints and suffering he'll inflict on the team. pleasee chill and give him some time... I'd bring up more stats, but you obviously haven't cared or given them ANY regard thusfar, and last time I got a nice two paragraph flaming for even mentioning them (you have yet to refute ANY of those points i've made btw), so i'll can that for now and just say i disagree and i'm not sure why you're so determined to trash ramsey in every post...[/QUOTE]

That Guy, I just want to thank you for that post. That was great. :biggthump