Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Buster;753381]I think we've found someone less mature than Haynesworth![/quote]

You really aught to not talk about the maturity of others...since you're a slow fella I'm going to give you a pass.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Albert needs to shut up and play, and give 150%. Im kinda tired of this, and really wish the media would focus on something else.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;753401]He's still taking snaps in practice at the nose, and Haslett is still convinced that he can play there.[/quote]

Guess I missed that. Was that in the Post article?

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102806712.html?sub=AR]Haynesworth fine doing what he does best[/url]

Shanahan stressed that to be a "complete lineman," a player has to be strong against both the pass and the run, and he's noticed improvement from Haynesworth in recent weeks. Haynesworth continues to take practice reps at the nose tackle position, though Haslett said Kedric Golston will now serve as backup to Ma'ake Kemoateu.

Haslett said he's convinced Haynesworth is still capable of playing in the 3-4. "He's athletic, he's big enough, it's more of a mind-set than anything. Is it what he does best, if it was 3-4? Probably not," he said. "But it doesn't mean he can't do it."

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

^^ Thanks.

While not a complete condemnation of AH, it is certainly less than a ringing endorsement of him as an unselfish player. Essentially saying, if he adopted the proper mind set, AH could be just fine.

Again, whatever - if it gets us past the drama, I'm all good with it.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Whatever the case, I think we're about to Haynesworth's best football. I'm all too excited about it - finally!

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

I think it's a myth that Haynesworth is a better pass rusher than a run-stopper. However, when we put him right smack in the middle of our defense at the nose, his technique made him a poor run stopper. Moving him a couple feet to the outside makes him an excellent short yardage run defender.

Haynesworth could rush the passer equally well from anywhere.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=saden1;753270]Didn't that SOB say "I'm not good enough to play the 3-4" today? Here I was thinking he could be the best nose tackle in the business instead we got a part time player for a 100 million dollar contract. Fck him.[/quote]

Have you seen my sig? Is it possible to have a negative value for knowledge of football?

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=saden1;753299]I don't have to paint, he's doing a fine job painting a hideous self-portrait. Being a nose tackle doesn't mean you can't rush the QB. Look at Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys or any decent nose tackle in the league...they are getting after the QB as much as a 4/3 tackle.

It's real clear to me that that SOB doesn't want to try and with his loser talk of "I can't" or "I can only play nickel" he pretty much said as much. The mark of a great player is the ability to adapt and they don't have the words "I can't" in their vocabulary. Again, fck him...I hope he chokes on a hot dog.[/quote]

Saden, I think you should just avoid any discussion of AH. You have no ability to make a point with any legitimacy on this topic. He is without a doubt our best d-lineman. It isn't even debatable.

Now what is debatable are the cracks in our head coaches' judgement that seem to be forming.

First, creating and fueling a situation with our best D-lineman that hurt the team in the W-L category. Next, benching our best QB for Rex effing Grossman when we had a legitimate chance to win. Lastly, letting Casey Rabach hike the ball to the quarterback.

Continuing to put Casey Rabach on the field is proof of insanity...

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;754689]Saden, I think you should just avoid any discussion of AH. You have no ability to make a point with any legitimacy on this topic. He is without a doubt our best d-lineman. It isn't even debatable.

Now what is debatable are the cracks in our head coaches' judgement that seem to be forming.

First, creating and fueling a situation with our best D-lineman that hurt the team in the W-L category. Next, benching our best QB for Rex effing Grossman when we had a legitimate chance to win. Lastly, letting Casey Rabach hike the ball to the quarterback.

Continuing to put Casey Rabach on the field is proof of insanity...[/quote]

Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754755]Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.[/quote]

I think we're overstating the accountability issue here and it's now becoming more of a talking point, and masking some of Shanahan's short comings, rather than something that actually fosters trust and maturity in your locker room. If your approach yields confusion and mistrust, then you need to check yourself. This ain't Pop Warner and it ain't the collegiate ranks. You're only going to be able to get so far with the hard nose approach with professional athletes that play at this level. And Shanny needs to find the line between effective accountability as an NFL coach and letting professionals be professionals.

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[quote=12thMan;754759]I think we're overstating the accountability issue here and it's now becoming more of a talking point, and masking some of Shanahan's short comings, rather than something that actually fosters trust and maturity in your locker room. If your approach yields confusion and mistrust, then you need to check yourself. This ain't Pop Warner and it ain't the collegiate ranks. You're only going to be able to get so far with the hard nose approach with professional athletes that play at this level. And Shanny needs to find the line between effective accountability as an NFL coach and letting professionals be professionals.[/quote]

Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754763]Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.[/quote]

Totally agree.

I don't think there's any real confusion or mistrust anyway. The whole situation with Haynesworth was blown out of proportion and I think the dust will settle on this McNabb issue as well.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754763]Belichick is the epitome of the "hard-nosed" coach, and I'd say it's worked pretty well for him. He's built a team where none of his players would *ever* question any of his decisions. They work hard, and they do what they're told to the best of their abilities. If Shanahan's approach is causing confusion and mistrust, it could be because he's got the wrong kind of players.[/quote]

Well Belichick has had the fortune of winning three Superbowls to back him up on his tactics. Unless you intimately know the details of pre-SB Patriots, I say that his tactics have become better known after he started to win. Maybe he started out this way in New England, but it is hard to question anyone when they win.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.