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[QUOTE=BossHog]Yes, things are going to change in the upcoming weeks. I would hate to see another injury prone DE (see Daniels) signed. :oink:[/QUOTE]

Starting with Bruce, we just keep signing older, more mediocre talent on the defensive line. Well, maybe not older than Bruce Smith. But I still cant get the bad taste out of my mouth whenever we talk about free agent defensive linemen.

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You mean the savy running back who had been in the year for a massive two years? That's not exactly what I consider a veteran. Our WRs are good enough that we can bench a rookie, but not so good we have time to develop one next year. Get him now, start him working. We're fine everywhere else.

Give Daniels a chance! He has one season where he has injury problems. I have a feeling there's a reason everyone says wait till he comes back!

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I imagine we'll give up our first round pick for Doug Flutie, or some other equally bone-headed move.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]My question to you is what has Mike Williams proven other than his slow ass 40 times?[/QUOTE]

You're kidding right? He's proven as much, if not more, than any incoming draftee coming out of college. Take a look at his stats against major competition. Talk to any of the scouts that saw him at the combine or at his private workout. Talk to David Greene. If you say he hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet, I'm sure Erasmus James or Marlin Jackson has?

Let's remember, Jerry Rice didn't have all world speed either- not saying BMW will have a career that stands even close to Jerry, but the comparisons of hands is already there.

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Mike Williams would be perfect. A big play guy, a HUGE end zone target. But, if history is any indication, we'll mess things up royally.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]I don't know if he is. But we do pick early in that round and the observed talent 'below' Heath Miller falls off pretty steeply. In other words, there maybe higher rated players at other position that teams may covet. :oink:[/QUOTE]

He'll be gone by the top of the second round. There's no way he'll last till the third.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]I assume we're talking about Troy Williamson. The answer is yes. We have already addressed our starting WR corps. Sorry for the dose of reality. :oink:[/QUOTE]

I think you're right that we have addressed our starting WR corps. And that's precisely what worries me. Santana Moss is the guy who the Jets were about to demote to their #3 WIDEOUT. David Patten had solid numbers and could be a top notch number 2, but he's not going to light up opposing defenses. Taylor Jacobs has what 5 catches in his career? James Thrash....nuff said.

I have the creepy feeling that we're trying to do with out WR corps what we did with our D-line two years ago.....get a bunch of mediocre players who we hope to get the most out of.

Considering how many people bitched about our WR corps last year, I find it surpring that people seem content with our current WR corps. Does anyone really think we've improved our offense with the loss of Coles and Gardner and the addition of Moss and Patten?

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Considering how many people bitched about our WR corps last year, I find it surpring that people seem content with our current WR corps. Does anyone really think we've improved our offense with the loss of Coles and Gardner and the addition of Moss and Patten?[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right. We're WAY worse off than we would have been. I think Moss is better than Gardner (we should have drafted him initially), but he has durability problems. Coles was good, but obviously unhappy. SO WHAT! We're taking a 9million dollar cap hit because the guy wasn't happy??!!! Lot's of people aren't happy at work. You make a commitment, you should stick it out. We didn't have the cap room to accomidate him and it was stupid to trade him. Even if we didn't trade him, we could have had cap room to pick up a guy through FA had he decided to sit.

My thought: We're set at QB, stick with Ramsey. We're GREAT at RB, Portis is going to be good for a long time. Our OL is good, no needs there. Our WRs STINK. That's by far the deficiency in our offense. Look at teams like the Rams, Even the Eagles with Owens, the Vikings (who's defense sucks), they all have good WRs. You need a good passing game to open up the run game. You become one dimensional, you can't do anything. Our defense is good enough; the glaring needs are at WR, start there.

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[url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/03/11/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/03/11/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html[/url]

[b]Receiver David Boston, who was cut by the Dolphins earlier this week after failing a physical, has drawn interest from the 49ers and could sign a minimum-salary contract once his surgically repaired knee is healthy.[/b]
-- Miami Herald

if boston will play on a minimum salary contract we should get him

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If we can just get our receivers set before the snap and keep our linemen from jumping offsides 10 times a game we will be better than last year.

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It would seem that we're writing off any possibilities of drafting a AAA WR, but didn't Gibbs state last year going into the draft that we were going after the best talent that's available? Would there be any indication that his philosophy will be different this year?

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Ramseyfan is exactly right. Our WR corps, which was subject to innumerable criticisms last year, is actually worse. We have two new players, but that is meaningless, since they are both worse than the guys they are purportedly replacing (Moss > Coles, Patten > Gardner). Believe me, I love the attitude change, but the skills are not improved. That is why we need a guy who could be a true #1 in Mike Williams.

A DE or a CB is a decent fallback plan, but they should be just that: fallback plans, if we simply cannot get Mike or Braylon. There are no DEs worth taking at 9, and there is incredible CB depth in this draft. We could get a good CB in the 3rd round who isn't distinctly less talented than Rolle or Jones.

For those reasons, I advocate this course of action:
-Trade Rod Gardner to Cleveland for their 3rd round pick (#67).
-Trade that pick (#67) and our first rounder (#9) to the Titans for their 1st rounder (#6) or trade #9, #67, and our 6th rounder (#168) or a future 4th to the Bucs for their 1st rounder (#5). It seems like a lot to give up, but it really is not that much to secure a guy who will very likely be a top WR in the league for years.

Draft (assuming we trade with Titans):
1. Mike Williams, WR, USC
3. Darrent Williams, CB, Oklahoma State
4. Jovan Haye, DE, Vanderbilt
6. Dave Kashetta, TE, Boston College
7. Lang Campbell, QB, William and Mary

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ignore my boston post before cuz he already signed with the 49ers

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Riggo44:

If Courtney Brown were available AND IF I had any reason to hope that Courtney Brown could stay healthy, I'd consider him a good guy to sign.

However, other than the fact that Courtney Brown and Lavar Arrington played on the same team at Penn State, I think it is a stretch to call Brown, "LaVar's buddy". It would not surprise me to learn that they had not spoken more than a half dozen times since leaving PSU.

Courtney Brown's problem from about the 10th game of his NFL career to today has been "the injury bug". I suspect his potential will never be "achieved" because of those injuries; and so even if he's a free agent, I'd spend only a VERY modest sum to get him here.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]He means Mike Williams.

Here's a "dose of reality" for you, Bosshog. Our receivers are unproven and need to be worked on. For all we know Moss may walk after this year, Patten has only ever been a #4 in a good offense, Jacobs hasn't seen the field, we've seen what thrash does as a starter, and McCants until I [b]see{/b] otherwise is still in Gibbs doghouse. If we have a chance to get Edwards or Williams - take it. No need to draft a #2 we have four of those. CB isn't a huge concern, though it should be addressed in the near future. We have lots of young guys with talent that our coaching staff wants to look at.[/QUOTE]
ummmm patten was a #2 for the pats, lol and moss was a #1 two seasons ago and would have been last season. so get ur shit straight, our wr's are proven but jacobs and mcants as "EVERYDOWN" wr's.