Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=SirLK26;1110600][url=http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/3/12/8198849/is-chris-conte-an-upgrade-over-goldson]Is Chris Conte An Upgrade Over Goldson? - Bucs Nation[/url]




Meh. Low cost, but I'm not expecting anything good either.[/quote]

not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/bucs-hook-some-goldsons-salary-trade-redskins]Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1110601]not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/bucs-hook-some-goldsons-salary-trade-redskins]Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/quote]

Well that's the non-guaranteed money. The Bucs are reponsible for the guaranteed part of the contract. Basically if he works out for the team, the Redskins pay 4 mil; if he doesn't work out he doesn't get that. I don't see how this is not low cost/low risk.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years, and instead he was terrible. This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=mooby;1110603]Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years, and instead he was terrible. This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.[/quote]

Anytime you sign a player that's 30+ it is a stopgap move. If I remember correctly, a lot of people were wondering if Clark had anything left in the tank when we signed him. I'm not saying that Goldson is going to be an all-pro, but I don't see this that similar to our acquisition of Clark.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

I like this guys attitude:

“Now to my new team, the Washington Redskins. I want you all to kno how excited my family and I are to be part of this strong organization. Ive been a fan of the team for awhile. One of my favorite players (Sean Taylor) set the tone for the position for years there. I’m not Sean but Im honored to be patrolling the same playgrounds as he did. I’ll do my best on makin him happy from the position as he watches down on us as a secondary. To the fans this is gonna be a fun and exciting ride. Our goal as a team will be simply to whoop ass and take W(wins). Those who dnt know much about me I luv to play this game. I will bring an attitude for sure to this defense. With the experience and knowledge Ive accumulated throughout I will do everything to make those better around me. My goal will be for us to have the same heartbeat as a team and ESP as a defense cuz that’s where it starts. With that bein said #HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!"

via twitter Dashon Goldson

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=mooby;1110603]Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. [B]When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years, and instead he was terrible.[/B] This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.[/quote]

There is a big difference:
The secondary teammates of Clark the prior two seasons were really weak. A terrible CB Wilson (2 years ago), a struggling Amerson, a terrible E.J Biggers, a rookie Breeland, injury prone Merriweather and a good D. Hall. Once Hall was injured the wheels fell off the secondary and defense last season.

We now have a capable set of CB's in Culliver, Breeland, D. Hall and Amerson (still struggling) off the bench. Plus a new SS in Jeron Johnson. This makes Goldson's life a lot easier compared to Clark's.
Add that Culliver and Goldson have played together before. Plus from what Jeron Johnson's former teammates and coaching staff are saying about Jeron, he will be an improvement over what we had.
We went from a terrible secondary to one that is improved and we still have the draft and #5 pick coming up soon.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=Stacks42;1110605]I like this guys attitude:

“Now to my new team, the Washington Redskins. I want you all to kno how excited my family and I are to be part of this strong organization. Ive been a fan of the team for awhile. One of my favorite players (Sean Taylor) set the tone for the position for years there. I’m not Sean but Im honored to be patrolling the same playgrounds as he did. I’ll do my best on makin him happy from the position as he watches down on us as a secondary. To the fans this is gonna be a fun and exciting ride. Our goal as a team will be simply to whoop ass and take W(wins). Those who dnt know much about me I luv to play this game. I will bring an attitude for sure to this defense. With the experience and knowledge Ive accumulated throughout I will do everything to make those better around me. My goal will be for us to have the same heartbeat as a team and ESP as a defense cuz that’s where it starts. With that bein said #HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!"

via twitter Dashon Goldson[/quote]


this gets me pumped!

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/16424/redskins-hope-dashon-goldson-solves-long-time-problem-at-safety]Washington Redskins hope Dashon Goldson solves long-time safety issue - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Keim saying Goldson is great in the lockerroom

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=mooby;1110603]Cost wise this feels like a solid move, but performance wise I'm not sure he'll be any better than Clark. [B]When we got Clark everyone was saying he should be solid for a couple years[/B], and instead he was terrible. This feels like another stopgap move, hopefully we get 1 good season out of him. I'm not upset about it because we really didn't give up anything to get him.[/quote]

pretty sure the consensus was that Clark was a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over Rambo/thomas.

now the consensus is that Goldson is a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over retired Clark.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

Dashon Golson=Brandon Merriweather. Both are often fined head hunters with terrible coverage skills.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=Stacks42;1110605]I like this guys attitude:

“Now to my new team, the Washington Redskins. I want you all to kno how excited my family and I are to be part of this strong organization. Ive been a fan of the team for awhile. One of my favorite players (Sean Taylor) set the tone for the position for years there. I’m not Sean but Im honored to be patrolling the same playgrounds as he did. I’ll do my best on makin him happy from the position as he watches down on us as a secondary. To the fans this is gonna be a fun and exciting ride. Our goal as a team will be simply to whoop ass and take W(wins). Those who dnt know much about me I luv to play this game. I will bring an attitude for sure to this defense. With the experience and knowledge Ive accumulated throughout I will do everything to make those better around me. My goal will be for us to have the same heartbeat as a team and ESP as a defense cuz that’s where it starts. With that bein said #HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!"

via twitter Dashon Goldson[/quote]

Isn't Twitter 140 characters?

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1110601]not low cost... $4 million if he makes the team (assuming he does not renegotiate )

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/bucs-hook-some-goldsons-salary-trade-redskins]Bucs on hook for some of Goldson's salary in trade with Redskins | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/quote]

Seriously, tell me your plan at safety? Not what we should have done two years ago. Not who we should have drafted or signed last year. Tell me, given the current situation - the one Scot McC walked into - how you would have done better: Who you would have signed, for how much, and who you would draft.

And before you just once again assert that D.Hall is the better option at FS, you do realize he is a year older (31) than Goldson (30) and has never done more than spot duty at the position as opposed to Goldson who has played the position since entering the NFL. While there are similarities in the CB/S positions in that both are DBs, CB and Safety are NOT interchangeable and require different mind sets, different physical skill sets, and different recognition skills - you're big on past stats taken in isolation, find me D. Hall's stats in the FS position ([I][B]only[/B][/I]). How many pro-bowls has D.Hall been to [I][B]as a FS[/B][/I]? Goldson went to two - 2011, 2012. Alternatively, show me some solid analysis that D.Hall will have an easy transition to the free safety role such that he is more likely to be an improvement over last year's play than Goldson will.

Also, so DHall moves to FS, making Amerson the 3rd CB - that's a pretty gutsy call on your part given his play last year. What's your plan for depth in the defensive backfield? Seriously. What's your plan for depth at safety and cornerback if we don't make the trade for Goldson? If it involves rookies - tell me why you think counting on a rookie to step into any regular role in the backfield is better than counting on Hall or Breeland to be the depth guy.

As to SS, what rookie safety are you drafting that is an instant starter? When do you draft him? You realize that the consistent opinion of every reasonable draft analyst is that this year's safety class is pretty barren. Where are you finding this diamond in the rough SS that is less of a risk than J. Johnson is at the position? If not a rookie, what [I][U]is[/U][/I] your plan for SS? What UFA would you have signed given your constant whining about the cap?

All you have done is poor mouth every move that McC has made in the defensive backfield and whined about salary cap room. I have yet to see one well thought out idea from you as to how you would improve on the moves made so far this year. McC walked into crap and appears to have made solid moves to improve that situation both from a talent and salary cap perspective.

Tell me how you would have done better.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=over the mountain;1110609]pretty sure the consensus was that Clark was a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over Rambo/thomas.

now the consensus is that Goldson is a 1 year stopgap but an upgrade over retired Clark.[/quote]

This.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

I like the move a lot, hope we trade back go OLB, DL, OL, OL, and OLB you can fill in the rest.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;1110614]I like the move a lot, hope we trade back go OLB, DL, OL, OL, and OLB you can fill in the rest.[/quote]

Only trade back if deal blows you away..we need top talent on this team, if Fowler is there or if somehow Williams falls because MM or one of the Wrs goes before we pick you take one of them. If both are gone when pick then I would be ok trading back as well.

Re: Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1110612]Seriously, tell me your plan at safety? Not what we should have done two years ago. Not who we should have drafted or signed last year. Tell me, given the current situation - the one Scot McC walked into - how you would have done better: Who you would have signed, for how much, and who you would draft.

And before you just once again assert that D.Hall is the better option at FS, you do realize he is a year older (31) than Goldson (30) and has never done more than spot duty at the position as opposed to Goldson who has played the position since entering the NFL. While there are similarities in the CB/S positions in that both are DBs, CB and Safety are NOT interchangeable and require different mind sets, different physical skill sets, and different recognition skills - you're big on past stats taken in isolation, find me D. Hall's stats in the FS position ([I][B]only[/B][/I]). How many pro-bowls has D.Hall been to [I][B]as a FS[/B][/I]? Goldson went to two - 2011, 2012. Alternatively, show me some solid analysis that D.Hall will have an easy transition to the free safety role such that he is more likely to be an improvement over last year's play than Goldson will.

Also, so DHall moves to FS, making Amerson the 3rd CB - that's a pretty gutsy call on your part given his play last year. What's your plan for depth in the defensive backfield? Seriously. What's your plan for depth at safety and cornerback if we don't make the trade for Goldson? If it involves rookies - tell me why you think counting on a rookie to step into any regular role in the backfield is better than counting on Hall or Breeland to be the depth guy.

As to SS, what rookie safety are you drafting that is an instant starter? When do you draft him? You realize that the consistent opinion of every reasonable draft analyst is that this year's safety class is pretty barren. Where are you finding this diamond in the rough SS that is less of a risk than J. Johnson is at the position? If not a rookie, what [I][U]is[/U][/I] your plan for SS? What UFA would you have signed given your constant whining about the cap?

All you have done is poor mouth every move that McC has made in the defensive backfield and whined about salary cap room. I have yet to see one well thought out idea from you as to how you would improve on the moves made so far this year. McC walked into crap and appears to have made solid moves to improve that situation both from a talent and salary cap perspective.

Tell me how you would have done better.[/quote]

The Redskins do not have a game until September, so the projected April starter is moot. Rosters are now about 90 players, so Free Safetys will be cut. Hall is a question mark at FS, he might be good. Goldson has been bad for a few years, expecting him to revert to high caliber play is a long shot.

Bring in as many veterans as you can, draft a FS or two, sign UDFAs, move CBs and SS to FS , and see who emerges. There is no Sean Taylor in the draft, but there are probably a few solid ones.