Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

Even if your position tha tthe head coach doesn't have a say on the defense and Williams calls all the shots I'm sorry yes Williams prefers veterans but he has played Rookies in the past if a player shows he's capable on handling the job he will put it he hates dumb mistakes thats why he preferes veterans but he won't deny a Rookie to play if he belives he gives him the best chance to win and be succesfull.

And right now not williams or gibbs believe he gives them the best chance

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

he's already had injury trouble and some missed training camp... sean taylor who has all world potential didn't start till his 3rd game and he idn't miss any practice time up till then.

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

exactly third game you have played 9 games all ready how long for him to be starting this year if he doesn't start next week after a bad game vs Tampe of the other CB what that tells you

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

williams obviously likes harris somewhat, on the other hand...our FS was matt bowen...there is some difference in skill there fellas

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]Walt harris is a nickle back nothing more he sux...carlos cant be worse..how do you let a man get behind u with 3 mins left ....[/QUOTE]

Aski Roy Williams...he probably could give you some insight on how that happens :insane:

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

hahaha low blow still you saw that INT return for a TD last night thank you

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]the league is tougher that when champ entered and he got the tutledge of D.Green and Deon Sanders...We should hire Darrell as a consultant for the young corners[/QUOTE]

Actually Deion wasn't on the team until Champ's 2nd year and as I remember Champ had a very good rookie season.

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

For everybody saying that Rogers should be playing, I'd like to know where your blind faith in the coaching staff went. When Brunell was named the starter a lot of us heard, "Who are you to question Joe Gibbs" or "To think you know more than the coaching staff is asinine."

What happened to all that? How come no one is getting laid into for saying that Carlos Rogers should start.

As for Walt Harris letting a guy get behind him with 3 minutes left, Rogers did the same thing with like 5, maybe 8 minutes left and it was the same guy. Rogers has been on the field primarily as a nickel back and hasn't excelled at that in the least.

And finally, every analyst around the NFL generally accepts the theory that Cornerback is the easiest transition from college to the pros. So comparing it to a QB's transition to the NFL isn't even close. It's apples and oranges.

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

Corner is the easiest transition from college to the pros??

Who said that?

It's usually thought that RB is the easiest, corner may not be as difficult as QB, which is the toughest position in all of sports, but corner is not an easy transition and certainly not the easiest.

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

[QUOTE=jbcjr14]Aski Roy Williams...he probably could give you some insight on how that happens :insane:[/QUOTE]
lol good 1

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Corner is the easiest transition from college to the pros??

Who said that?

It's usually thought that RB is the easiest, corner may not be as difficult as QB, which is the toughest position in all of sports, but corner is not an easy transition and certainly not the easiest.[/QUOTE]

I've heard it said many times that it's not a difficult transition to the NFL, so I'll concede that it may not be the easiest, but how come none of the rest of my post was addressed? You were one of the main people who called me out for supporting Ramsey. You backed Joe Gibbs 100% then, how come you're not going after people for saying that Rogers should start now?

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Corner is the easiest transition from college to the pros??

Who said that?

It's usually thought that RB is the easiest, corner may not be as difficult as QB, which is the toughest position in all of sports, but corner is not an easy transition and certainly not the easiest.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I've heard Mel Kiper make the comment that a cover corner has one of the easiest transitions from college to the NFL because they can play the position exactly the same way they played it in college, unless the scheme is entirely different. Corner is definitely one of the toughest positions, but the position itself is the same as it is in college. You're basically put out on a island by yourself, covering the best receivers on the field.

How is RB the easiest? A running back coming out of college has to learn an entirely new playbook, new blocking schemes, and new passing routes. In fact, the only person that has to know more than the tailback is the quarterback.

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

First off I don't have blind faith in the coaches, never have and never will. I've questioned some decisions, but in the end I trust they're making the best decisions possible, and the most informed decisions since they're the ones with the fingers directly on the pulse of the team. I support what they do even if I may not agree. That's not blind faith.

Second, I think the argument that Rogers should be starting isn't even worth getting in to, since Rogers himself hasn't looked all that great.

The only problem I have with people questioning coaching decisions is when they accuse the coaches of making decisions based on some sort of personal bias or when they question the knowledge of the coaches. Logical and rational arguments are fine in my book.

If Rogers was worthy of starting, Williams would have him in there. There, you happy now? ;)

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

[QUOTE=Southpaw]Actually, I've heard Mel Kiper make the comment that a cover corner has one of the easiest transitions from college to the NFL because they can play the position exactly the same way they played it in college, unless the scheme is entirely different. Corner is definitely one of the toughest positions, but the position itself is the same as it is in college. You're basically put out on a island by yourself, covering the best receivers on the field.

How is RB the easiest? A running back coming out of college has to learn an entirely new playbook, new blocking schemes, and new passing routes. In fact, the only person that has to know more than the tailback is the quarterback.[/QUOTE]

How is RB easy?

How many rookie RBs do you see come in the league and tear it up? There's usually a couple each year that make a splash.

Rookie RBs can often be counted on to contribute right away and at a high level.

Adjusting to corner in the NFL is difficult simply because of the speed of the WRs and the speed of the game in general.

Re: Is Carlos Rogers overrated?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]How many rookie RBs do you see come in the league and tear it up? There's usually a couple each year that make a splash.[/QUOTE]

That's partly because of the visibility of the position. Of course you're going to hear about it, and see highlights if a rookie tailback is tearing it up. Corners in general, don't get a lot of publicity unless they're scoring touchdowns. If a corner is doing his job well, you'll never see highlights on Sportcenter.

And yes, there are always a handful of RB's that make a splash, but almost all of them hit the rookie wall. LaDanian Tomlinson did it his rookie year. Cadillac Williams did it this year. If a corner comes into the league playing sound football, he can generally keep it up unless he gets injured.