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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]I never said he "suddenly" was middle of the pack. I said he was "back to a middle-of-the-pack QB." And that means, he's back to where he's always been - an adequate QB who can manage games. However, as others have said on this thread, his fumbling is a major problem. (For Ramsey, it was one-and-done when it came to fumbles this year.)[/QUOTE]

My bad - I thought you were referring to his performance last year.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]My bad - I thought you were referring to his performance last year.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't count last year. I think he really was hampered by an injury.

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Mark will be the starter next year unless Campbell could get some playing time and lights up the field. I dont think that will happen but you never know and we have no idea what Gibbs is thinking. As several people have mention Brunell has fumbled the ball several times. I'm not positive but haven't alot of those fumbles come from his blind side. Some of those fumbles should be blamed on the line and not Brunell.

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I have to see Campbell play to pick him!!!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]It would be nothing short of asinine to judge Mark Brunell primarily based on whether or not the Redskins make the playoffs. Last I checked it was a team game. Mark Brunell has held up his end of the bargain, he is running the offense efficiently and effectively. If we do indeed fall short of the playoffs, the blame can be placed:

1) Injuries to the defensive line (Griffin and Salavea'a make the defense great when they're healthy).
2) Lack of ability to power run the ball when needed.
3) Lack of a viable #2 WR.
4) Inconsistent play at the #2 CB spot.

You can't blame Mark Brunell, it's hard to ask for more from a QB than he has given us.[/QUOTE]

Hey, im not sure whether or not this is a response to my post. But in case it is...perhaps i was not clear....what i said/meant to say was that I will judge the value of the BRUNELL SIGNING based on whether or not the skins make the playoffs. That i believe is a reasonable thing to do. The point is even if Brunell played pretty well...but not quite good enough to get us into playoffs...regardless of the multitude of other reasons there may have been for us not making playoffs...then ultimately his time with the skins was unsuccessful.

If you accept that much...then all im saying is if it had to be done again i would have rathered seen what Ramsey could do and hence chosen not to sign Brunell. Maybe Ramsey would have done better...maybe worse. But either way we wouldnt have been risking anything since the last two years...(if we dont make playoffs this year) will have been failures anyway. It should also be noted...that if Ramsey had started all of last season then our playoff drout may well have ended last year...since the NFC was so weak last year that 8-8 would have gotten us in.

In the end last year is last year and this year is this year...but all im saying is if they havnt found success in two years with the guy at the helm...then the decision to sign him was a mistake and it would have been much better for the organization to see what they had in Ramsey...and not sacrifice so much to get Brunell...

In terms of my stating that if the skins dont make the playoffs this year they ought to replace Brunell...well i guess that is just a gut feeling.

Because if we play Brunell next year and still dont make the playoffs...it will cast a huge shadow of doubt on this coaching staff and the moves they have made...

At least if we are playing a younger guy next year...whether or not we make the playoffs it will work toward developing someone for the future.

Just imagine if you start brunell...he doesnt get you to the playoffs...you wasted Ramsey completely, and Cambpell is still a rookie in terms of playing experience...cause he hasnt gotten any game time...that is just a situation that i would not be willing to risk...and is pretty much the worst case scenario i can imaigine... That is why i think the move should be made after this season...if we do not make the playoffs...to make Brunell the backup...a position i belive he will be perfectly suited to assume on a Gibbs team.

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I see it as Brunnel unless the team keeps up it's slide to finish the year and Gibbs decides to give the rook some work and then Campbell is able to keep that going through the offseason and preseason. Ramsey isn't even going to be on the team as Gibbs will get atleast something in return for him before he tells the organization to piss off.

by the way as far as #2 wr, anyone else wish we had gone after Joe Jurevicious(sp?) instead of Patten? I know hindsight is pointless but oh well.

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[QUOTE=NFLeurope]Hey, im not sure whether or not this is a response to my post. But in case it is...perhaps i was not clear....what i said/meant to say was that I will judge the value of the BRUNELL SIGNING based on whether or not the skins make the playoffs. That i believe is a reasonable thing to do. [/QUOTE]

It was in response to my post on the previous page, where I tried to reconcile your and Matty's viewpoints. I assume he mistook my post to say that MB himself would be judged. I clarified it:

[quote=onlydarksets]What willl be judged is the hindsight wisdom of the front office in bringing him here if the team does not make the playoffs.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]I know hindsight is pointless but oh well.[/QUOTE]

Without hindsight, this board's traffic would decrease by 75%! :postcop:

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I don't think Heath Schuler ever got a fair shake.

Let's bring him back - I mean, what the hell!!?

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[QUOTE=SallyJenkins]I don't think Heath Schuler ever got a fair shake.

Let's bring him back - I mean, what the hell!!?[/QUOTE]

You'd like that - wouldn't you? More fodder for your "articles"...

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't multiple teams after Mark Brunell? And we rushed to sign him before anyone else did?

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[QUOTE=NFLeurope]Hey, im not sure whether or not this is a response to my post. But in case it is...perhaps i was not clear....what i said/meant to say was that I will judge the value of the BRUNELL SIGNING based on whether or not the skins make the playoffs. That i believe is a reasonable thing to do. The point is even if Brunell played pretty well...but not quite good enough to get us into playoffs...regardless of the multitude of other reasons there may have been for us not making playoffs...then ultimately his time with the skins was unsuccessful.
[/QUOTE]

That's kind of playing a game of semantics though. By those standards, then Barry Sanders should have been on the bench. Obviously, it would have been foolish to have benched Sanders.

Remember, this is a team sport. Should we bench every starter because the team doesn't make the playoffs?

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't multiple teams after Mark Brunell? And we rushed to sign him before anyone else did?[/QUOTE]

Yea exactly if we didn't get brunell we probally be in the mist of the Kurt Warner Experence right now.

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I just dont understand...why a game of semantics? We signed Mark Brunell to make us win now. If we are not winning now...then the premise for signing Mark Brunell is no longer valid...and it would have been more beneficial to see whether Ramsey could play. Its not really a game of semantics...because the distinction is that we went out and signed Brunell..and gave up a lot to get him in the process...

If he was already on the roster when gibbs got here...and then was putting up good numbers this year...then i would agree with you 100%...It would not be fair to judge Brunell...say all the losing is his fault or whatever...

But based on the fact that we went out and got HIM...and gave up a ton in the process...i think it is completely legit to look at the teams results since he's been here...and say you know...if i had to give up all of that again...just to have a losing team...i wouldnt do it. If you agree with that...then signing Brunell was a mistake

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[QUOTE=FirstandTen]Yea exactly if we didn't get brunell we probally be in the mist of the Kurt Warner Experence right now.[/QUOTE]


hahaha...and why oh why the Kurt Warner era????? Why not the Ramsey era??? He was a 1st Rounder...i mean did he come out of college with a sign on his back that read destined to never play. People ought to realize that going out and getting a veteran guy while we had a 1st rounder entering his 3rd year in the league was a choice...rather than a necessity and in my opinion as it stand right now...it looks like we made the wrong choice.