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[URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/07/AR2006010701530.html]Sounds bad...[/URL]

from his teammates' quotes, it sounds like it happened:

"I saw that, and I'm thinking, 'We don't need that right now,' " said Redskins defensive end Phillip Daniels. "He has to realize this is the playoffs."

Not good Sean, especially after i believed you the first time!

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I haven't read the entire thread, but Pittman should have been ejected too. He threw a punch. I love Sean Taylor, but he is a hothead. I think I saw the realization in his eyes that he knows that he did something wrong on the sidelines after the incident...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I can't believe anyone is even defending the action of someone spitting in another person's face. Wow, I'm kinda shocked actually.[/QUOTE]
Matty-

Had there been clear evidence of Taylor popping Pittman with a loogie (a la Romanowski vs. Stokes), I'd be disgusted with him. That doesn't exist. There were HD cameras on the players, and no one has given any evidence of a malicious act. I saw two players jawing - which happens every game - and Pittman hitting. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that Carey threw the flag on Pittman, who claimed spitting as his alibi, and hit Taylor with the penalty.

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I've watch that every way I can and I see "NO SPITTING".
Pittmans a punk and was frustrated with getting knocked in the mouth and cried and lied and his home town Ref threw the flag.

BFD

It will be Shawn Alexander spitting.....OUT HIS TEETH...next week.

Hail Skins

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A flag is NOT proof.

From NFL.com about last year.

" Taylor was investigated last season for spitting at Cincinnati receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The NFL carefully reviewed tapes to determine whether Taylor should be fined, but they found no video evidence to support the allegation."

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]I can't believe that so many of you guys are sticking up for this guy!
That is totally inexcusable.[/QUOTE]

I'll be happy to accept your righteous indignation. Just post a message here condemning Michael Irvin and his drug problem, Terry Glenn and his drunk-driving, wife-beating issues, Nate Newton, Leon Lett, and so on...

Bottom line is, none of these guys are perfect human beings. Stop applying higher standards to them, because it's not true of guys on your team any more than it is to guys on ours.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop][URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/07/AR2006010701530.html]Sounds bad...[/URL]

from his teammates' quotes, it sounds like it happened:

"I saw that, and I'm thinking, 'We don't need that right now,' " said Redskins defensive end Phillip Daniels. "He has to realize this is the playoffs."

Not good Sean, especially after i believed you the first time![/QUOTE]

That to me sounds like they are saying they don't need the penalty and ejection, which is absolutely correct and they have a right to be irritated about it.

There is something to be said for a player with a rep for getting into situations like this being baited by other players and/or not getting the benefit of the doubt from the refs. I'm not saying it happened here, but we've seen it in the NFL and even the NBA, where certain players whose checkered past follows them every where they go, get called for things they may not have actually done.

Taylor is probably approaching that status, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see more players come after him and try to take advantage of the situation. What the team captains need to do is get him back to the huddle as soon as a play is blown dead and keep him away from any potentially bad situations, if that's what it takes.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop][URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/07/AR2006010701530.html]Sounds bad...[/URL]

from his teammates' quotes, it sounds like it happened:

"I saw that, and I'm thinking, 'We don't need that right now,' " said Redskins defensive end Phillip Daniels. "He has to realize this is the playoffs."

Not good Sean, especially after i believed you the first time![/QUOTE]

I think the Houshmanzadeh quote just about sums Taylor up...

"He's a punk. It's just something he did. That's how he is, so be it."

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As other threads have noticed, Len Pasquarelli is no fan of this team. However, even he says in his wrap-up that Taylor was "ejected in the third quarter for [b]allegedly[/b] spitting" on Pittman (emphasis mine). If Pasta is giving Taylor more credit than the members of this site, we all need to take a step back, breathe deeply, and think for a moment.

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I don't have a problem with the ejection, I believe if he actually did it, he should have been. He didn't seem to upset that he was tossed. I do have a problem with no flag being throw for the TB player smacking him upside the head.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]like i said in the other thread
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i honestly didn't see anything. I do however think it is was possible that while yelling a little bit of spit flew out his mouth. I just didin't see anything. You got to be a stone cold mother ****er to spit on someone and not even move. His head didn't jerk forward. Spit on something go ahead in anger. your head has to move. it has to. But Sean is one stonned cold mother ****er[/QUOTE]he didn't spit ! !:vomit:

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I think it's funny that Cowboy fans are coming here and ragging on Redskin players for their character. That's absurd.

In the heat of a football game, I just don't understand why spitting is an ejectable offense. Does spitting in a guy's face hamper his ability to play the game? No, and yet players are ejected for it. Meanwhile, a guy takes a swing at someone, trying to come up under the facemask to connect with throat and chin, and he's not ejected for it. Doesn't make any sense at all. If the punch connects, it could hurt the other player, preventing him from playing effectively. If spit connects, you wipe it off.

It just doesn't make sense. The punishment needs to fit the crime. It's unsportsmanlike conduct, no doubt. Sean Taylor is a punk, no doubt. But ejecting him is not a fitting punishment when so many other guys are allowed to take swings at each other and get away with a 15-yard penalty.

In my opinion, what Runyan did last week to Salave'a is way worse than what Taylor did to Pittman.

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When the flag was tossed and the ejection announced, you did not see the ten other Redskins on the field at the time going ballistic over a wrong call.

When Taylor went to the sidelines, you did not see Gregg Williams or Joe Gibbs about to burst a blood vessel in the brain as they screeched at the officials.

The incident happened about 20 hours ago and you have not heard Gibbs or Williams - - or even Danny Boy - - stand up behind a microphone and say that the call and the penalty and the ejection were horrendous and that this is an example of poor officiating and that Sean Taylor is being picked on by the refs.

IF HE DIDN'T SPIT, you would have heard/seen all of those things...

Someone asked if there was a rule against spitting. I do not have a current NFL Rule Book here, but from memory I believe that ejection MAY happen for ANY unsportsmanlilke conduct call. And that decision is at the referee's discretion.

The word for the day is:

M E A T H E A D

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[QUOTE=Hail2em]My last comment on this. I cant believe some of you are actually taking the refs side...lol knowing all of us seen the replay and seen no spit whatsoever..nough said!!![/QUOTE]
The ref was THERE!!! He wouldn't just make it up. He has bosses to answer to and Carey is one of the best. He would not have called the penalty if it did not happen. I can't believe some of us are swearing that because we could not see it on our high def TV's that it did not happen. Wrong is wrong and Sean was WRONG!!!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I think it's funny that Cowboy fans are coming here and ragging on Redskin players for their character. That's absurd.

In the heat of a football game, I just don't understand why spitting is an ejectable offense. Does spitting in a guy's face hamper his ability to play the game? No, and yet players are ejected for it. Meanwhile, a guy takes a swing at someone, trying to come up under the facemask to connect with throat and chin, and he's not ejected for it. Doesn't make any sense at all. If the punch connects, it could hurt the other player, preventing him from playing effectively. If spit connects, you wipe it off.

It just doesn't make sense. The punishment needs to fit the crime. It's unsportsmanlike conduct, no doubt. Sean Taylor is a punk, no doubt. But ejecting him is not a fitting punishment when so many other guys are allowed to take swings at each other and get away with a 15-yard penalty.

In my opinion, what Runyan did last week to Salave'a is way worse than what Taylor did to Pittman.[/QUOTE]

I agree on the Runyon call. He should have been ejected. It still does not make what Sean diod right. Wether in the heat of battle or not spitting anyones face anytime is wrong.

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this isn't the first time taylor has done this, last year he spit in the face of Houshmanzada(sp?)

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[QUOTE=arrington_QBkiller]this isn't the first time taylor has done this, last year he spit in the face of Houshmanzada(sp?)[/QUOTE]

From NFL.com about allegations of spitting last year:
" Taylor was investigated last season for spitting at Cincinnati receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The NFL carefully reviewed tapes to determine whether Taylor should be fined, but they found no video evidence to support the allegation."

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]When the flag was tossed and the ejection announced, you did not see the ten other Redskins on the field at the time going ballistic over a wrong call.

When Taylor went to the sidelines, you did not see Gregg Williams or Joe Gibbs about to burst a blood vessel in the brain as they screeched at the officials.

The incident happened about 20 hours ago and you have not heard Gibbs or Williams - - or even Danny Boy - - stand up behind a microphone and say that the call and the penalty and the ejection were horrendous and that this is an example of poor officiating and that Sean Taylor is being picked on by the refs.

IF HE DIDN'T SPIT, you would have heard/seen all of those things...

Someone asked if there was a rule against spitting. I do not have a current NFL Rule Book here, but from memory I believe that ejection MAY happen for ANY unsportsmanlilke conduct call. And that decision is at the referee's discretion.

The word for the day is:

M E A T H E A D[/QUOTE]

I thought Gregg Williams did come to his defense last night

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"He said they got into a verbal match, going back and forth," Williams said. "He said he did not spit on him. That's what he told me and I believe him. I will tell you this: I love the kid. The kid has a great heart behind the scenes and he's a tremendous competitor. There is no other free safety in the National Football League that I'd rather coach than him."
redskins.com

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[QUOTE=dgack]That to me sounds like they are saying they don't need the penalty and ejection, which is absolutely correct and they have a right to be irritated about it.

There is something to be said for a player with a rep for getting into situations like this being baited by other players and/or not getting the benefit of the doubt from the refs. I'm not saying it happened here, but we've seen it in the NFL and even the NBA, where certain players whose checkered past follows them every where they go, get called for things they may not have actually done.

Taylor is probably approaching that status, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see more players come after him and try to take advantage of the situation. What the team captains need to do is get him back to the huddle as soon as a play is blown dead and keep him away from any potentially bad situations, if that's what it takes.[/QUOTE]

yeah, it sounded more like Daniels was talking about getting a flag thrown against Taylor. I'm personally shocked by the amount of people taking the word of a referee who have a knack for getting calls incorrect over actual VISUAL EVIDENCE. Unless Taylor has the ability to spit at the speed of light there has been zero video evidence to warrant the penalty and ejection on the part of Taylor, but THERE IS plenty of evidence to warrant Pittman being penalized and ejected. And once again the replays they've shown seem to show the ref looking at the ground while trying to break the 2 players up when the alleged spit took place so the only way I can think of that the ref would have known about the spit was to hear it. And people keep bringing up last year's incident with TJH, but the league could not find any type of evidence to support TJH's claim. I'm more mad at Taylor for stupidly starting to talk trash with a player who was walking away from him. If they can actually find evidence to prove Taylor did this than he deserves any punishment the league and the team want to give him, but until then I'll take what I have seen with my 2 eyes and the quick defense of Taylor by Gregg Williams.

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I'm just about done posting on this topic, but all I'm gonna say again is the ref was right there... yet for some reason sitting at home watching on TV people think they had all the visual evidence, or lack thereof, they needed to determine there was no spit.

I'm not saying I saw anything other than a slight head bob by Taylor, but if the ref saw enough to toss him I have to believe something happened. I'm not going to sit here and say well, I didn't see anything on TV so nothing could have happened.

Sometimes it's hard to even tell when it's raining during a game, so I guess to us at home if we can't see it then it must not be happening?

It could have been a very minute amount of spit, but if the ref saw Taylor commiting the action of spitting in Pittman's direction, does it really matter how much spit there was?? I guess only huge throat clams are deserving of a penalty and ejection?

Taylor isn't exactly a model citizen, if this was Darrell Green being accused of this ok, I would be more likely to think he was innocent. But we're talking about a guy who has some very serious off the field issues, and on the field he's gotten himself into some hot water as well.

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I think Sean Taylor just has a LISP but I ain't telling him

lol

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]
The word for the day is:

M E A T H E A D[/QUOTE]

This is about the only point in the argument that we can all agree on. All the rest of the bitching and moaning about how Taylor is a punk or whether he did or didn't do it is completely irrelevant. He put the team in a position that could have cost us the game and that's the part that is reprehensible.

Let me ask those of you who seem hell-bent on hanging him out to dry because he's such a bad person this:

If Taylor spit in someone else's face during a game, and nobody saw it, and the national press hadn't picked up on it, and we ended up winning that game because of a play he made later in the game, are you telling me your integrity demands that he be ejected and punished just the same, even if it means we lose the game and ergo don't go to the playoffs?

Are you really so appalled by the "dishonor" of the alleged act, or is it really that you're embarrassed? I'm guessing the latter.

A lot of you guys seem to be holier-than-thou with respect to Lavar and Taylor, to the point where you talk like you're prepared to endure another losing season if that's what it takes to get these "losers" and "punks" off the team. Well, I wonder if you realize how many games we won BECAUSE of those guys, and that we'd be playing golf with the Eagles right now without them.

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Here's how I feel. If he did indeed spit, the ejection was warranted. This is what I feel is unfair to Taylor. How much good play does Taylor have to do to make up for personal "bad plays"? Whatever happens, it'll be in the past and I'd like to think he has been learning from mistakes. It's time for us to move on, and to be sure it makes it a bit of a bittersweet victory.

On a high note, we'll be going into Seattle at somewhat full strength and hopefully Sean can shut his mouth and do his job.

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Just a side note, according to Chris Cooley, Taylor DID spit on Pittman, but that was after Pittman smacked him in the head. They got the guy who retaliated.

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]A flag is NOT proof.

From NFL.com about last year.

" Taylor was investigated last season for spitting at Cincinnati receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The NFL carefully reviewed tapes to determine whether Taylor should be fined, but they found no video evidence to support the allegation."[/QUOTE]

So we should get Dr Lee to run forensics on the spit for absolute proof?
Don't you think the ref being there and seeing it is enough?

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Nope.
Was it enough last year?

A flag does not spit make.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Just a side note, according to Chris Cooley, Taylor DID spit on Pittman, but that was after Pittman smacked him in the head. They got the guy who retaliated.[/QUOTE]


Either way, they were both in the wrong in my opinion. If that was the case though, then Pittman should have gotten minimum whatever Taylor got. If Pittman did hit him first, that changes my whole opinion on the topic.

Its in the past, as long as hes not suspended next week, I really dont care.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm just about done posting on this topic, but all I'm gonna say again is the ref was right there... yet for some reason sitting at home watching on TV people think they had all the visual evidence, or lack thereof, they needed to determine there was no spit.

I'm not saying I saw anything other than a slight head bob by Taylor, but if the ref saw enough to toss him I have to believe something happened. I'm not going to sit here and say well, I didn't see anything on TV so nothing could have happened.

Sometimes it's hard to even tell when it's raining during a game, so I guess to us at home if we can't see it then it must not be happening?

It could have been a very minute amount of spit, but if the ref saw Taylor commiting the action of spitting in Pittman's direction, does it really matter how much spit there was?? I guess only huge throat clams are deserving of a penalty and ejection?

Taylor isn't exactly a model citizen, if this was Darrell Green being accused of this ok, I would be more likely to think he was innocent. But we're talking about a guy who has some very serious off the field issues, and on the field he's gotten himself into some hot water as well.[/QUOTE]

Well what do you know, there is a sane one in the bunch!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I can't believe anyone is even defending the action of someone spitting in another person's face. Wow, I'm kinda shocked actually.[/QUOTE]

For what it's worth, Brian Mitchell was doing the postgame analysis on ComCast, and he said he was SHOCKED that anyone would get even a flag for spitting. He was laughing, like, "Spitting?! Are you kidding?! Do you know how often that happens in an NFL game?!"

I know he's a homer and stuff, but still, I thought that was interesting.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Just a side note, according to Chris Cooley, Taylor DID spit on Pittman, but that was after Pittman smacked him in the head. They got the guy who retaliated.[/QUOTE]

Hello... anyone home...
Did anyone actually see the game here???
Come on, Pittman smacked him while the ref pulled them apart. It was at the end. If he did spit after, he would have hit the ref.

Did you see pittmans reaction. Something happened to make him do what he did. Hell, he should have beat the piss out of him. Lucky all he got was a little slap.

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]Hello... anyone home...
Did anyone actually see the game here???
Come on, Pittman smacked him while the ref pulled them apart. It was at the end. If he did spit after, he would have hit the ref.

Did you see pittmans reaction. Something happened to make him do what he did. Hell, he should have beat the piss out of him. Lucky all he got was a little slap.[/QUOTE]

I'm not condoning what Taylor did in the slightest, because if he really did do that, I think its terrible....but Pittman is lucky that he only got a little slap in, cause Taylor would have knocked the crap out of that guy.

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]Hello... anyone home...
Did anyone actually see the game here???
Come on, Pittman smacked him while the ref pulled them apart. It was at the end. If he did spit after, he would have hit the ref.

Did you see pittmans reaction. Something happened to make him do what he did. Hell, he should have beat the piss out of him. Lucky all he got was a little slap.[/QUOTE]

Is it still burning you up that your band of criminals didn't make the post-season?

Aw.....

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I'm not condoning what Taylor did in the slightest, because if he really did do that, I think its terrible....but Pittman is lucky that he only got a little slap in, cause Taylor would have knocked the crap out of that guy.[/QUOTE]

exactly, everywhere from ESPN to fan sites people are saying if i was pittman taylor would be on the ground blah blah blah. Even Pittman said if it was on the street taylor would get worse. The truth is Taylor could beat the shit out of pittman like no ones business. I just find it funny everyone thinks Taylor should have and could have gotten hit harder. I guess that is the type of reputation he will get. Not a strong big player but a punk bitch.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag]For what it's worth, Brian Mitchell was doing the postgame analysis on ComCast, and he said he was SHOCKED that anyone would get even a flag for spitting. He was laughing, like, "Spitting?! Are you kidding?! Do you know how often that happens in an NFL game?!"

I know he's a homer and stuff, but still, I thought that was interesting.[/QUOTE]

Maybe it does happen but when you do it in front of a ref it's gonna be called 100% of the time.

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I can't help but think that the refs were a little trigger happy as it was. Do you recall that when Antonio Brown muffed the catch on the Buc's punt in the first quarter? There were 3 Redskins on the recover, not a Buc around, and the initial call on the field was it was the Bucaneer's ball! Of course, they realized that it couldn't have been, as there wasn't any around...

IMHO.

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[QUOTE=dgack]This is about the only point in the argument that we can all agree on. All the rest of the bitching and moaning about how Taylor is a punk or whether he did or didn't do it is completely irrelevant. He put the team in a position that could have cost us the game and that's the part that is reprehensible.

Let me ask those of you who seem hell-bent on hanging him out to dry because he's such a bad person this:

If Taylor spit in someone else's face during a game, and nobody saw it, and the national press hadn't picked up on it, and we ended up winning that game because of a play he made later in the game, are you telling me your integrity demands that he be ejected and punished just the same, even if it means we lose the game and ergo don't go to the playoffs?

Are you really so appalled by the "dishonor" of the alleged act, or is it really that you're embarrassed? I'm guessing the latter.

A lot of you guys seem to be holier-than-thou with respect to Lavar and Taylor, to the point where you talk like you're prepared to endure another losing season if that's what it takes to get these "losers" and "punks" off the team. Well, I wonder if you realize how many games we won BECAUSE of those guys, and that we'd be playing golf with the Eagles right now without them.[/QUOTE]

Tremendous post. I agree with this 1000%.

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Oh, Sean--can you PLEASE get your head out of your ass? I love you, man, but god, that was a boneheadded move. If we lost, man...

(Note: Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread. I agree with everything everyone said, though ;))

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if it wasnt for the meathead we lose the game

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The ref can bite me!

Granted if ST did indeed spit, yes he should have been ejected BUT with that being said, Pittman should not get a freebie either. He was not penalized at all and even if that "weak ass slap" (and yes it was weak) was in defense for being spat on...it sends the message in the NFL that you are ALLOWED to retaliate WITHOUT consequence....that is the message I got.