Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]John Clayton just said on ESPN radio at about 8:35 a.m. that the Jets would get Ramsey more than likely for a lousy 6th round pick. If we can't get at least a 3rd rounder for Ramsey I say we just keep him. Freakin 6th round pick, that's pretty much just throwing him away for no compensation![/QUOTE]

with the breakdown in talks, we might end up just releasing ramsey and getting zip for him

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359]Should have screwed the Dolphins in 2004 when we had a chance. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard they offered a 1st round pick for Ramsey. Personally I believe this being that they gave an early 2nd round pick for AJ Feely.[/QUOTE]

I read that the Dolphins were, at first, interested in Brunell from the Jags but were unwilling to pay as much as Gibbs. Then, they asked if Ramsey was available and were told no. But I've also heard that rumor about the number one being offered. Of course, that GM was fired so we don't know what opinion the current regime has of Ramsey although Canafora had Miami and the Jets showing interest.

I've also read that at least three teams were interested in Patrick but no hints on who the others were.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

ramsey is way better than a sixth rounder. If worst comes to worst, and it was either a sixth rounder or releasing him, i'd probably take a sixth rounder. But please, he's definitely worth at least a fourth.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359]Should have screwed the Dolphins in 2004 when we had a chance. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard they offered a 1st round pick for Ramsey. Personally I believe this being that they gave an early 2nd round pick for AJ Feely.[/QUOTE]

I remember that they offered the 19th overall pick. Too bad we can't go back in time and take it.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

[QUOTE=Huddle]I don't think you'd convince Patrick of that.[/QUOTE]

When it comes to it it isn't his call!!! He is A Redskin to 06!!! Now why I would not let him go for a six round pick.....1-If Burnell goes down the season could be lost. 2-How many times have we seen a so called Stating QB start the season as the number 1 guy and isn't by seasons end? 3-You most likey will not find a QB with Ramseys NFL know how for that price. 4-If I can't get a 2nd or 3rd keep him. 5-Look at past Redskins history look at D. Williams taking over in season to leaded us to a Super Bowl and on and on I could go with this. 5-He just might be what many of you think he is!! A great QB and Burnell just might show he is broken down come this summer[like many of you believe]. 6-Last...many of you may know more about this but if he dose move on next season do we get a pick for losing a free agent that we drafted in the 1st round? I am sure there are other reasons as well but 6th pick shows no value!!! :headbange

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[QUOTE=scowan]Lets not talk about Ramsey's value, so much as who you replace him with. Let's say we go into next year with Brunell as the starter and Campbell as the backup. Now you need a very cheap emergency 3rd QB guy. Ramsey has got to be better than any other 3rd guy we could find. The question is more what do the Skins want to pay for a 3rd QB guy. $1.6 million seems a little much to me. But it is dirt cheap if Brunell gets hurt for the season or something and we are left with a 2nd year guy who has not seen the field yet and a backup with experience, AKA Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

sign randel el as #3 receiver/ backup 3rd string QB save cap/roster space.

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[QUOTE=VTSkins897]since brunell is so young (in his prime) and our 3rd stringer is an expert in gibbs' offense; i think it'd be foolish not to trade a quality backup for a 6th rounder. i'm surprised we're jippin' them for that much! he's a real big hit to the cap too.........................................................................................................

quality backups aren't important these days...

......[/QUOTE]

tell that to the jets or rams or vikings.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]When it comes to it it isn't his call!!! He is A Redskin to 06!!! Now why I would not let him go for a six round pick.....1-If Burnell goes down the season could be lost. 2-How many times have we seen a so called Stating QB start the season as the number 1 guy and isn't by seasons end? 3-You most likey will not find a QB with Ramseys NFL know how for that price. 4-If I can't get a 2nd or 3rd keep him. 5-Look at past Redskins history look at D. Williams taking over in season to leaded us to a Super Bowl and on and on I could go with this. 5-He just might be what many of you think he is!! A great QB and Burnell just might show he is broken down come this summer[like many of you believe]. 6-Last...many of you may know more about this but if he dose move on next season do we get a pick for losing a free agent that we drafted in the 1st round? I am sure there are other reasons as well but 6th pick shows no value!!! :headbange[/QUOTE]

You quoted me when posting this but I don't think you followed the meaning of my remark which was a response to Dirtbag 359 since you have gone off on a tangent here.

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Ramsey is worth much more than a sixth. Situations play a whole lot into how a QB looks to fans and the media. Ramsey has been in some bad situations since being with the Redskins. I like to look at and compare to Brees situation he was blasted as being washed up in his first year or 2 in San Diego. Brees fell into place though when Philip Rivers held out if he had not held out Brees could be out the league or a 2nd or 3rd stringer for some sorry team.. In comes Brees and for the past two years been one of the best QB's in the league. Ramsey 4 years have not provided him a situation really to succeed. We laugh at his record and his stats if you can evaluate talent in the NFL and know anything about his potential and the situations he has succeeded in and the ones he has failed he warrants more than a sixth rounder, CBA and his current situation and the ball really in other teams court with it being no secret that he is gone and has very little value to the team may drop his value.

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I feel that the reality of the situation is that Ramsey's worth may be determined more by [i]our[/i] situation then how many games he's played, or with what velocity he throws the ball.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]There is no question that Brees and Culpepper are vastly superior quarterbacks than Ramsey. But, they also want a sh-tload of money. Griese and Kitna may be more proven quarterbacks, but they're also (as you pointed out) old.

What I just can't understand is how A.J. Feeley gets Philly a 2nd round pick whereas Ramsey gets the Skins a 6th rounder. Yes I know the Dolphine overpaid. I also know that this year's free agent QB crop is good. But, the difference between a 2nd and a 6th is amazing.

I am sure there is some reasonable justification for the difference in compensation, I just haven't heard it yet.[/QUOTE]

The Feeley trade was a horrible trade. I have no idea how they got a #2 for him. I would love the skins to get good value for Ramsey, it just doesn't seem likely from everything I have read.

And yes I agree those other QB's are more expensive to aquire than Ramsey, but every team that chooses to go for one of them takes one team out of the Ramsey deal. My point was not to argue Ramsey vs every other QB, but just to point out that there seem to be more available QB's this year than the norm and that is going to hurt the skins chance to get good compensatiuon for Patrick.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

This is rediculous...If this is all we can get for Ramsey (a former first rounder), then its no point in trading him. I have the feeling that this league has not seen the last of Ramsey but I'm almost positive that the Skins have. Wherever he goes I hope we find a Tom Brady with that pick so they can look back and feel like idiots.

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[QUOTE=celts32]My point was not to argue Ramsey vs every other QB, but just to point out that there seem to be more available QB's this year than the norm and that is going to hurt the skins chance to get good compensatiuon for Patrick.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Hopefully, Brees, Kitna, Griese, etc. will be taken off the market. I think Culpepper is officially off the market, but those other guys are, as you point out, hurting Ramsey's value.

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I have heard rumors that Schotty doesnt want to lose Brees. But most experts believe they will not be able to afford him. It's not a lock that Brees is going.

I think Kitna is the real value on the market this year. I hope everything works out with JC for us. Because in a perfect world where we were 20 million under the cap. He would be someone I would be interested in over Patrick.

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Isn't Carson Palmer going to be coming off of ACL surgery? I'd think the Bengals would do everything they could to keep Kitna. They'll need a solid backup

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Isn't Carson Palmer going to be coming off of ACL surgery? I'd think the Bengals would do everything they could to keep Kitna. They'll need a solid backup[/QUOTE]

they said they were definately going to get a vet, which may or may not be kitna.

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I agree with you Tafkas. But normal teams dont pay the type of money we do for backups.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

A good trade for Ramsey would be if the Jets and Skins swapped 2nd round picks and we threw in Ramsey. I think that is the most fair situation.

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[QUOTE=81forHOF]A good trade for Ramsey would be if the Jets and Skins swapped 2nd round picks and we threw in Ramsey. I think that is the most fair situation.[/QUOTE]
GOOD IDEA!!!

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[QUOTE=81forHOF]A good trade for Ramsey would be if the Jets and Skins swapped 2nd round picks and we threw in Ramsey. I think that is the most fair situation.[/QUOTE]

That is a very interesting idea. I would guess though that the Jets wouldn't accept it. It seems like that sort of deal would be worth a mid-3rd rounder; more than what the Jets would like to pay.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]That is a very interesting idea. I would guess though that the Jets wouldn't accept it. It seems like that sort of deal would be worth a mid-3rd rounder; more than what the Jets would like to pay.[/QUOTE]

I think if the top of the draft works so the Jets can get Bush than that scenario could easily play out.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359]I think if the top of the draft works so the Jets can get Bush than that scenario could easily play out.[/QUOTE]

I know there has been a lot of talk about the Jets trading up. Maybe it will happen. But, the Jets have cap problems and there are tons of players available at #4 who would be great for them (i.e. Jay Cutler, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, Mario Williams, etc). They need multiple picks to fill multiple holes. Plus, there is a bevy of free agent, proven running backs who would cost a boatload less than the #1 pick ... even if his name is Reggie Bush.

Re: Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

The article in the Post indicated the Redskins had hoped for a 3rd or 4th round pick for Ramsey so that should be a reality check for the 'Abraham straight up' or 2nd round or bust crowd.. Now it looks like he will be released outright to get under the cap.

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if he's gone i would have at least taken a 5th or 6th instead of nothing.