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Well now, isn't this [URL=http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6270]interesting[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Yup, about 40% of whom are rookies.[/QUOTE]

34/47 = 72.34% 1st year rookies ;)

as opposed to the more elusive 2nd year rookie types.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Well now, isn't this [url="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6270"]interesting[/url][/QUOTE]

yay, that means we can keep samuels and maybe washington and only have 32 rookies on our 47 man team!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]34/47 = 72.34% 1st year rookies ;)

as opposed to the more elusive 2nd year rookie types.[/QUOTE]

I guess I didn't realize we needed that many rookies to get under the cap. I thought the number was closer to 20.

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A lot of us owe Brunell (most notably myself, for starting this thread based on the WP article) a gigantic "thank you....I'm sorry."

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SORRY MARK. Please reread my apology note I wrote last year. :(

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offiss is going to apoligize?

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I guess I didn't realize we needed that many rookies to get under the cap. I thought the number was closer to 20.[/QUOTE]

articles have been stating that, but if we cut all 56 players that would save us money and replaced them with 1st year guys, we'd still be 1.4million over the cap (its that bad). That's why the who would you cut thread was a fool's errand.

if there are more restructures or a new cba it won't be so horrible though.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]SORRY MARK. Please reread my apology note I wrote last year. :([/QUOTE]

Goes for me too.

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Anyone know how much space we saved?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Well now, isn't this [url="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=6270"]interesting[/url][/QUOTE]

Bah he's still a roid ragin' bitch

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Anyone know how much space we saved?[/QUOTE]

I'm wondering the same thing

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Whether anyone thinks Brunell faded at the end of last season, and whether they think he should be our starter next season, you have to give him credit for being a good team player and a good man.

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if its a restructure (base salary -> bonus and not giving money back) every 500k only saves 200k in cap space. his vet min has to be close to a million, so he could give up to 3mill back and save about a max of 1.2mill for this year, though i doubt its that high.

without a new cba, thats up to 3 starters.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]if its a restructure (base salary -> bonus and not giving money back) every 500k only saves 200k in cap space. his vet min has to be close to a million, so he could give up to 3mill back and save about a max of 1.2mill for this year, though i doubt its that high.

without a new cba, thats up to 3 starters.[/QUOTE]

Brunell's base salary this year is $4 million. If he coverted $3 million into a signing bonus, wouldn't that save us $1.5 million in cap space?

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I Just read it on Redskins.com!!! I will say I am sorry for saying anything bad about him in this post!!! He said that he has alway been about the team!!! We the leader has shown the way let the rest fallow! THANKS MARK!!!!

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Brunell's base salary this year is $4 million. If he coverted $3 million into a signing bonus, wouldn't that save us $1.5 million in cap space?[/QUOTE]

no (i gave an example in a post the cap threads).

here's how a rework (salary -> bonus) has to work.

he gives back 500k in 2006, and to comply with the 30% rule, that means he'd have to give back 650k in 2007. that means 1.15million bonus which can only prorate over 4 years. 1.15mill / 4 = 287.5k a year in bonus. 500k - 287.5 = 212.5k actual savings, or about 40% of what he reworks.

the 30% and extra base salary you're forced to turn into bonus (from 2007) makes restructuring much less useful now than in previous years.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]no (i gave an example in a post the cap threads).

here's how a rework (salary -> bonus) has to work.

he gives back 500k in 2006, and to comply with the 30% rule, that means he'd have to give back 650k in 2007. that means 1.15million bonus which can only prorate over 4 years. 1.15mill / 4 = 287.5k a year in bonus. 500k - 287.5 = 212.5k actual savings, or about 40% of what he gives up.

the 30% and extra base salary you're forced to turn into bonus (from 2007) makes restructuring much less useful now than in previous years.[/QUOTE]

Yup, forgot to account for the 30% rule. Duh. Thanks.

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other people have stepped up and helped rework contracts on the skins, no one has said who or how much yet (espn update on 980).

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[QUOTE=That Guy]other people have stepped up and helped rework contracts on the skins, no one has said who or how much yet (espn update on 980).[/QUOTE]

It's gotta be either Thomas, Washington, or Jansen ... right? At least, those guys are the prime candidates for restructuring.

I figure we'll be able to squeeze roughly $3 million out of restructured deals. Is that what you get?

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I can't believe you guys are apologizing. All you did was assume that what you were reading in the local newspaper, which supposedly has a very good reputation, was accurate.

Can I just say, one more time, MOTHER F*CK the Washington Post. Every time I turn around they're writing something that is not only wrong, but disparaging.

To Mark Brunell, we should have never doubted you. It's the media we should be doubting. Jesus Christ. They're not kidding when they tell you that you shouldn't believe everything you read!

PS Rant over. This is great news. Hooray for team players, hooray for character. Hooray for Mark Brunell, and hooray for Joe Gibbs bringing him here.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he gives back 500k in 2006, and to comply with the 30% rule, that means he'd have to give back 650k in 2007. that means 1.15million bonus which can only prorate over 4 years. 1.15mill / 4 = 287.5k a year in bonus. 500k - 287.5 = 212.5k actual savings, or about 40% of what he reworks.

the 30% and extra base salary you're forced to turn into bonus (from 2007) makes restructuring much less useful now than in previous years.[/QUOTE]

This is a good analysis factoring in the 30% rule. I'm still crunching thru the numbers to see if we can get additional savings without violating the 30% rule. A $212K savings is so minimal. Gotta be a way to milk a little bit more.

Without the 30% rule we could probably turn that $200K savings into $2M.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]It's gotta be either Thomas, Washington, or Jansen ... right? At least, those guys are the prime candidates for restructuring.

I figure we'll be able to squeeze roughly $3 million out of restructured deals. Is that what you get?[/QUOTE]

yeah unless gibbs really talk the religion in them.

there's a max of about 8.5mill from restructures available, i doubt we get all of it, but everyone who lasts through 2006 without a new cba is guaranteed lots of money.

8.5 from top 3 base salaries (brunell thomas and jansen). no one else has over 1.5mill base.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I can't believe you guys are apologizing. All you did was assume that what you were reading in the local newspaper, which supposedly has a very good reputation, was accurate.[/QUOTE]

I apologized mainly so people wouldn't label me as a Brunell-hater. Plus, he deserves some props.

As to the Washington Post, I agree - they are starting to suck. They don't give us any news for weeks and then they come out with that trash. Ridiculous. Maybe they've contracted out the reporting work to profootballtalk.com.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]This is a good analysis factoring in the 30% rule. I'm still crunching thru the numbers to see if we can get additional savings without violating the 30% rule. A $212K savings is so minimal. Gotta be a way to milk a little bit more.

Without the 30% rule we could probably turn that $200K savings into $2M.[/QUOTE]

they could actually give millions back and save a whole lot... how many players have done that the last 4 years though? maybe 3?

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Too all you Brunell haters. :silly:

Maybe from now on you will learn to wait for the facts, or at least both sides of the store before you go and shoot your mouth off.

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I just read this quote from Gibbs that said "That Mark[Burnell] and others team members are working cooperatively with us in renegotiations, Approching the matter like the veterans and team leaders that they are. We will get throught this". Sounds like a man with a plan!

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[QUOTE=Dana87]Too all you Brunell haters.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry and I am the first to say so! Still think we should not let Ramsey go for a six pick as well! Never didn't like his play-Burnell. Just couldn't see why he wouldn't help the team! He is a great guy and a team leader!

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[QUOTE=Dana87]Too all you Brunell haters. :silly:

Maybe from now on you will learn to wait for the facts, or at least both sides of the store before you go and shoot your mouth off.[/QUOTE]

Given the recent unrealiability of the Post, we might have to wait until Redskins.com posts articles before we comment on any developments in the news.

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just read something on redskins.com that they just finished redoing brunells contract, no numbers but he was angry at the post for using him in their petty little wqar with the skins.

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This is HUGE. I like in the bottom of that article where it says that ohters on the team are working as well with the team. Does anyone know the actuals and how much he will save us? HOpefully some more team guys will be stepping up.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]This is HUGE. I like in the bottom of that article where it says that ohters on the team are working as well with the team. Does anyone know the actuals and how much he will save us? HOpefully some more team guys will be stepping up.[/QUOTE]

not much. maybe 212k-1.272m unless he gave back millions and millions of actual money.

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Hopefully Arrington is one of the guys stepping up......

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This is a great move by Mark. I will retract the negative statements I made. I was more upset that he wasn't getting the same sh*t that other players get when they are percieved as selfish, but whatever. I'm glad he did this and I commend him for helping out the team.

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Makes no sense to me. This is up-front cash. If he gets cut next year, he keeps the damned money. There must be more to it than just a simple conversion.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Makes no sense to me. This is up-front cash. If he gets cut next year, he keeps the damned money. There must be more to it than just a simple conversion.[/QUOTE]

He's guaranteeing this year's salary. Of course, this year's salary is already guaranteed (since it would cost more to cut him than keep him). Restructuring the deal also makes it more likely that he will be cut in 2007. Re-read some of the earlier posts and you'll understand it better.

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I'm tempted to start a new thread so this news doesn't get lost in the shuffle, but according to profootballtalk.com (I know, take it with a grain of salt) CP's contract has been restructured as well:

"At a time when the Washington Redskins are facing a potential salary purge that, by some estimates, could leave them with roughly 25 veterans under contract, we're told that the team has restructured the deal of running back Clinton Portis in order to create some cap room. Specifically, a sizeable roster bonus owed to Portis has been converted to a guaranteed payment, which spreads the total value of the money over four years. Portis' contract expressly authorized the team to make the move."

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Portis has a $3 million dollar bonus this year. But I didn't think the bonus could be spread out over 4 years. I'm probably wrong.

Other guys scheduled to get big bonuses are: Arrington ($6.4M), Samuels ($4.5), Springs ($3.1), Griffin ($2.5), S. Taylor ($2.2), and Rabach ($2.2).

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]He's guaranteeing this year's salary. Of course, this year's salary is already guaranteed (since it would cost more to cut him than keep him). Restructuring the deal also makes it more likely that he will be cut in 2007. Re-read some of the earlier posts and you'll understand it better.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I didn't have time to read all 12 pages.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Portis has a $3 million dollar bonus this year. But I didn't think the bonus could be spread out over 4 years. I'm probably wrong.

Other guys scheduled to get big bonuses are: Arrington ($6.4M), Samuels ($4.5), Springs ($3.1), Griffin ($2.5), S. Taylor ($2.2), and Rabach ($2.2).[/QUOTE]

i think you can, if so, we could keep a ton of starters.