Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Let's sign Josh Brown then beat the crap out of him for all the garbage he talked about how "Matthew" was going to have his way with us.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan]I don't know all that much about Lloyd, but I hear he is a bit of a prima donna who doesn't have the best work ethic. Tim Ryan was talking about him on Sirius this week and described how he asked Llyod during an interview about his film study habits. He said Llyod responded by saying that he doesn't watch much tape because all he has to do is go out and burn a guy a couple of times and the CB will just get scared. I'm not sure what planet he is living on, but I don't think that sort of work ethic will get you too far in the NFL where everyone runs a 4.3 . . . it sure hasn't gotten Llyod too far thus far in his career beyond inconsistent play. Think you'd ever hear Jerry Rice or Art Monk say something like that?[/QUOTE]

I'm not comparing the two, but I heard once that Marvin Harrrison never watches game film either

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=dgack]Let's sign Josh Brown then beat the crap out of him for all the garbage he talked about how "Matthew" was going to have his way with us.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, then we cut him... then release him...

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=dgack]Let's sign Josh Brown then beat the crap out of him for all the garbage he talked about how "Matthew" was going to have his way with us.[/QUOTE]

God it's pathetic when a person has to stoop so low as to say another guy is gonna beat your ass.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I Think Brandon Lloyd Is A Good Reciever But Isn't He A Small Guy Like Moss

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SKINFANFOLIFE]I Think Brandon Lloyd Is A Good Reciever But Isn't He A Small Guy Like Moss[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board! Lloyd is a bit taller

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

It's possible the Post might be wrong about any interest in Brandon Lloyd. It's happened before.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Thanks. I Wasn't Sure. I Don't Keep Up With The Niners That Much.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Wait a minute fellas. I think Jaquan Walker wants out of Greenbay. He's coming off of a torn ACL so he would have to prove himself, but I'm interested.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Wait a minute fellas. I think Jaquan Walker wants out of Greenbay. He's coming off of a torn ACL so he would have to prove himself, but I'm interested.[/QUOTE]

Too pricey

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I don't want another no-name like Jaquan Walker. Now if you were thinking Javon Walker, WELL then I'd be interested.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

i wonder what GB would want in order to trade him...

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Redskins | Team working to acquire Lloyd
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:23:05 -0800

Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins are working to acquire restricted free agent WR Brandon Lloyd from the San Francisco 49ers, according to several league sources. According to sources, the two sides were working on parameters for a deal, but had yet to agree on compensation.


JUST READ THIS

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I don't want another no-name like Jaquan Walker. Now if you were thinking Javon Walker, WELL then I'd be interested.[/QUOTE]

Yes, thank you. I couldn't remember his name for nothing. I like Javon Walker. He wants to play for a winning team and has the passion he plays with.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Too pricey[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. He tore his ACL in the first game last year and resented coming back for Greenbay after Favre called him out. He doesn't think someone is going to give up a first or second pick for him after that injury. That's one reason why Lavar isn't going to get a big payday.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SUNRA]I don't think so. He tore his ACL in the first game last year and resented coming back for Greenbay after Favre called him out. He doesn't think someone is going to give up a first or second pick for him after that injury. That's one reason why Lavar isn't going to get a big payday.[/QUOTE]

Walker isn't going to sign for chump change, neither will LaVar.

Both are considered to be star players and will be paid accordingly, regardless of injury.

Besides, Walker is a #1 WR which we already have in Moss.

There wouldn't be enough balls to go around between Moss, Cooley and Walker.

All we need is a nice compliment to Moss who can snag 50 passes or so.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I definitely think that he is worth a second rounder. He had some big games with Tim Rattay. He didn't do much with Smith but I don't know if Smith broke the 100 yard barrier last year. I bet Saunders could turn him into a monster

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SKINFANFOLIFE]I Think Brandon Lloyd Is A Good Reciever But Isn't He A Small Guy Like Moss[/QUOTE]

Lloyd might actually make Santana look buff. He's one scrawny kid.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

i would gladly give up a second rounder for lloyd. the dude is a freak. he's got the best hands in the league. reminds me bit of a young chris carter....minus the off-field transgressions.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

I don't know about the Cris Carter comparison but I do like Lloyd.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I don't know about the Cris Carter comparison but I do like Lloyd.[/QUOTE]

Maybe he has huge eyebrows like Cris Carter and loves to hate on the Skins?

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

man, i hope we don't sell the farm for him :(

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=81toHOF]i would gladly give up a second rounder for lloyd. the dude is a freak. he's got the best hands in the league. reminds me bit of a young chris carter....minus the off-field transgressions.[/QUOTE]

he doesn't. he can jump, but he drops a lot of balls to. maybe its a focus thing.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]man, i hope we don't sell the farm for him :([/QUOTE]

Amen brother. I mean if we are trying to make that final push why are we targeting a bunch of 49ers players? Didn't we beat them by like 50 last year? I don't think Llyod is the kind of guy we need in the locker room. From all I've heard he doesn't strike me as a very good team guy and if we learned anything about the Skins this past season it is that they had great chemistry and played with amazing heart. Isn't that why we all loved cheering for them so much? I don't want another 2000 debacle . . . that was an absolute disaster . . . didn't the Danny learn anything from that?

One other thing. Why are we targeting Adam Archuleta? He is basically another linebacker who struggles against the pass. Shouldn't we be targeting a centerfielder type safety who can free up Sean Taylor to play more in the box, rush the qb, lay big hits, etc? Hopefully I am dead wrong since it looks like this is the direction the Skins are headed, but I just don't see Llyod, Archuleta, and Carter as the answers. Who I would really like to see in DC are David Givens, Nate Clements, and Darren Howard. I guess the latter two might be too expensive, but I can't imagine that Givens would command too much more money than Lloyd and he doesn't require a draft pick. I don't like having to overpay and then give up picks . . . I think the Skins have been too cavalier in the past few years in dealing those picks . . . I just don't think Llyod is worth it.

Apologies for providing the voice of doom . . . I guess I am just pessimistic by nature . . .

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

have another look

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd[/url]

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=81toHOF]i would gladly give up a second rounder for lloyd. the dude is a freak. he's got the best hands in the league. reminds me bit of a young chris carter....minus the off-field transgressions.[/QUOTE]

The best hands in the league? You're kidding, right? Even among young receivers, R.O.Y. Williams makes Lloyd look like an O-Lineman.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan]Amen brother. I mean if we are trying to make that final push why are we targeting a bunch of 49ers players? Didn't we beat them by like 50 last year? I don't think Llyod is the kind of guy we need in the locker room. From all I've heard he doesn't strike me as a very good team guy and if we learned anything about the Skins this past season it is that they had great chemistry and played with amazing heart. Isn't that why we all loved cheering for them so much? I don't want another 2000 debacle . . . that was an absolute disaster . . . didn't the Danny learn anything from that?

One other thing. Why are we targeting Adam Archuleta? He is basically another linebacker who struggles against the pass. Shouldn't we be targeting a centerfielder type safety who can free up Sean Taylor to play more in the box, rush the qb, lay big hits, etc? Hopefully I am dead wrong since it looks like this is the direction the Skins are headed, but I just don't see Llyod, Archuleta, and Carter as the answers. Who I would really like to see in DC are David Givens, Nate Clements, and Darren Howard. I guess the latter two might be too expensive, but I can't imagine that Givens would command too much more money than Lloyd and he doesn't require a draft pick. I don't like having to overpay and then give up picks . . . I think the Skins have been too cavalier in the past few years in dealing those picks . . . I just don't think Llyod is worth it.

Apologies for providing the voice of doom . . . I guess I am just pessimistic by nature . . .[/QUOTE]

Since Gibbs came back the Skins have been almost dead-on with their free agent/trade acquisitons. Griffin, Springs, Washington, Portis, Brunell, Rabach, Moss, just to name the major ones.

Sit back and relax, we're in good hands. :)

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan]Amen brother. I mean if we are trying to make that final push why are we targeting a bunch of 49ers players? Didn't we beat them by like 50 last year? I don't think Llyod is the kind of guy we need in the locker room. From all I've heard he doesn't strike me as a very good team guy and if we learned anything about the Skins this past season it is that they had great chemistry and played with amazing heart. Isn't that why we all loved cheering for them so much? I don't want another 2000 debacle . . . that was an absolute disaster . . . didn't the Danny learn anything from that?

One other thing. Why are we targeting Adam Archuleta? He is basically another linebacker who struggles against the pass. Shouldn't we be targeting a centerfielder type safety who can free up Sean Taylor to play more in the box, rush the qb, lay big hits, etc? Hopefully I am dead wrong since it looks like this is the direction the Skins are headed, but I just don't see Llyod, Archuleta, and Carter as the answers. Who I would really like to see in DC are David Givens, Nate Clements, and Darren Howard. I guess the latter two might be too expensive, but I can't imagine that Givens would command too much more money than Lloyd and he doesn't require a draft pick. I don't like having to overpay and then give up picks . . . I think the Skins have been too cavalier in the past few years in dealing those picks . . . I just don't think Llyod is worth it.

Apologies for providing the voice of doom . . . I guess I am just pessimistic by nature . . .[/QUOTE]

We had them by 40 something until Lavar gave up that 70+ yarder to Frank Gore!

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

no, i think he's right about his hands being the best in the league. and i would like to go ahead and through this out: Mark Brunell is the youngest qb in the league.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Since Gibbs came back the Skins have been almost dead-on with their free agent/trade acquisitons. Griffin, Springs, Washington, Portis, Brunell, Rabach, Moss, just to name the major ones.

Sit back and relax, we're in good hands. :)[/QUOTE]

Fair enough . . .

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Since Gibbs came back the Skins have been almost dead-on with their free agent/trade acquisitons. Griffin, Springs, Washington, Portis, Brunell, Rabach, Moss, just to name the major ones.

Sit back and relax, we're in good hands. :)[/QUOTE]

This is very true. Gibbs has earned the benefit of the doubt. If there's a player he really wants, that player is likely to be a good addition.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Nice highlight reel. When your team is getting killed every week and all you can do is throw hail marys, you get plenty of chances.

Here's a little apples to apples comparison for you:

Lloyd was tied for 15th in the NFC in targets last season with 109
Santana was 9th with 134

Santana caught 84 of those passes.
Lloyd caught 48. He finished sixth in the NFC in "passes not caught".

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Monksdown]have another look

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6920312372504230735&q=brandon+lloyd[/url][/QUOTE]

again, notice its like 3-4 catches replayed 4 times each. anyone can look awesome for four plays.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

i did notice that. thank you though.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=dgack]Nice highlight reel. When your team is getting killed every week and all you can do is throw hail marys, you get plenty of chances.

Here's a little apples to apples comparison for you:

Lloyd was tied for 15th in the NFC in targets last season with 109
Santana was 9th with 134

Santana caught 84 of those passes.
Lloyd caught 48. He finished sixth in the NFC in "passes not caught".[/QUOTE]

Great stat. That would make me nervous. Llyod would probably be a good #2, but having to give up picks for his inconsistency concerns me.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

Here is ESPN Insider's take on the guy:

"Lloyd has marginal size for a receiver lacking both the ideal height and the bulk for the position. However, he makes up for his lack of ideal size with excellent athletic ability. He has very good foot quickness and good speed, though his top end speed is not in the elite class. He has a good surge off the line of scrimmage and runs precise routes. He has a burst coming out of his cuts to get separation and shows the ability to move a defender who is in man coverage with very little wasted motion. He uses his hands and his foot quickness to get off press coverage and knows how to find the voids in coverage. [B]He has excellent hands and can make the acrobatic catch. He shows excellent focus and concentration on the ball when it is in the air, and with his long arms and his leaping ability, he will win most jump ball contests. He can be a threat with the ball in his hands and has a good feel for where he is on the field and where the sideline is at all times.[/B] He lacks the physical stature to be a physical blocker down field and is more of a screen and wall off guy. A big, strong defensive back can muscle him out of his routes on occasion. Overall, he needs to improve his strength and is becoming [B]a reliable go-to receiver with excellent hands [/B] who is competitive for the ball in any situation. He usually catches what he can touch."

I recognize the stat say what the stat's say - but as Daseal points out: how many of those balls were catchable by anyone? Do you suppose that Moss would have had as much success in SF as he had here?

As a comparison (so we can compare their analysis of LLoyd to their analysis of someone we know), here is ESPN Scouts take on Rod Gardner:
"He is difficult to get out of his routes. [B]He has great hands and the speed to be a vertical threat.[/B] He can make the catch with arms extended and has a great feel for the sideline catch. [B]He is inconsistent and must improve his focus and attention to details.[/B] He has improved his route running a great deal but sometimes fails to accelerate out of his cuts and get separation. [B]He takes plays off when he isn't the primary receiver. His blocking effort can be halfhearted. He doesn't have a good feel for attacking coverage. He lacks elite speed and elusiveness after the catch. He is a gifted athlete who doesn't maximize his talent.[/B]"

Now if "Great Hands" means he can make any catch when he focuses, I would agree. Gardner could make any catch he wanted to - he just didn't "want to" about 50% of the time.

So if the statement LLoyd has "excellent hands" is a reflection of abiltiy - great, b/c it appears he doesn't have the same knock on him as Gardner concerning concentration.

Actually, LLoyd's description seems to me to be very similar to Moss.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

i dont really want lloyd, like ppl have said, he has a highlight reel where he makes a few amazing catches, but hasnt put up numbers over a season

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Big C]i dont really want lloyd, like ppl have said, he has a highlight reel where he makes a few amazing catches, but hasnt put up numbers over a season[/QUOTE]

I want Antonio Bryant. I'd like Jurevicius as well but I don't think we have a legit shot at him, so I say Bryant.

If Lloyd were simply a UFA, then I might be more inclined to want him. Not crazy about giving up two picks, even mid-rounders, for him.

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[QUOTE=Big C]i dont really want lloyd, like ppl have said, he has a highlight reel where he makes a few amazing catches, but hasnt put up numbers over a season[/QUOTE]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396021"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396021[/url]
he just caught 48 passes for 733 yards, 5td and a 15.3 avg.

and he did that being on the worst offense in the league by far, with the worst starting qbs throwing to him (and there were 4 of them)

Re: Brandon Lloyd
 

[q]I recognize the stat say what the stat's say - but as Daseal points out: how many of those balls were catchable by anyone? Do you suppose that Moss would have had as much success in SF as he had here?[/q]

Again, when you're throwing all game long in desperation mode, why wouldn't you get a lot more chances to catch footballs? Santana was "the other option" on a run first team, for cripes' sake.

I think most people believe Lloyd could be a decent receiver. The question is how much we're paying to get him. I am in no rush to buy the next Peerless Price.