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I definately have faith in our staff that they made the right decision on him. Its just not what I would have done in that situation. We paid too much for him.

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And Bledsoe? Bledsoe? Bledsoe stepped out of the shower this morning and got sacked again by Phillip Daniels.
THAT's HUMOR!!

But seriously Dboys, you cannot be holding out Denver, NE, Philly as the model teams of the new Millenium??????? Only one of the three is even in the same league (from as accomplishment standpoint)as the SKINS under JOE. Incidently that includes Parcells. That having been said, why would we be inclined to follow that example? Joe is not afraid to be the innovator. Don't be afraid to Lead!

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[quote=That Guy]its not my fault you don't get simple 6th grade math, but i don't blame you, you are a cowboys fan.

we gave up 3 picks, we got 1, instead of 3 players, we end up with 1, meaning we gave up 2 players. seriously, what's your problem understanding that? its not that hard.[/quote]

DBoy's is arguing over semantics. We used 3 picks to draft Rocky. But we only gave up two more than the second rounder we would have used anyway.

The point that is forgotten here is that we moved up from the end of the second round to the start of the second round. That costs something. For us to do it and aquire our target we had to trade our second rounders and give up two additional picks.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]let me explains in terms you might understand ok...... If I have a Babe Ruth rookie card and you want it and I say you need to give me your Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle and Pete Rose cards for me to give you my Babe Ruth 1. How many card you need to give me?...................... 3 yeahhhhhh and how many card I'm going to give you? 1 ok thats math.[/quote]

But that isn't really what is happening. You are trading your Bade Ruth card for a Barry Bonds card and you (obviously now) have to throw in a couple of other cards that you don't really know thier worth.

If it were just a one for one trade wouldn't it sound funny to hear someone say we traded, but I had to give up one card...

I think the traded card is implied.

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i don't know how you compare a 6th round pick to hank aaron, pete rose or mickey mantle...

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This thread is giving me a serious headache

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[quote=That Guy]i don't know how you compare a 6th round pick to hank aaron, pete rose or mickey mantle...[/quote]

Go easy on him, he's a Cowboys fan, so by definition he doesn't really know what he's talking about.......he only thinks he does. He's probably still just bitter over the fact that his team lost to the Skins twice last year and couldn't make the playoffs.



Off topic? Yep, but I still enjoyed it.

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I don't think it has to be that complicated.

The redskins gave up 2 picks to move up: (1) next year's 2nd rounder and (2) a 6th rounder this year. The moving up part was the redskins swapping our 2nd rounder with the Jets' 2nd rounder (moving up from 53 to 35).

I don't how that concept can be that complicated. And I am trying to think of some metaphor to help explain it, but anything more that I add would just confuse things even more.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]it's not about the points it about the players you can get with your pics
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Which must be why every single team in the NFL (including the Cowboys) subscribes to using the exact same point value chart?

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I don't think the baseball card analogy is fair because we already have an assessed value of those cards. McIntosh's value is speculative as is any other player drafted as part of this trade. At best the analogy is: I'll trade you my (w*a), (x*a) and (y*a) for your (z*a). W, X, Y & Z are the anticipated future values of (a) player. The Redskins, obvoiusly must think that Z is going to be a greater value for them than a combination of W, X &/or Y.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Agreed but its the base of the future. See all championship teams they make good draft moves and pics and they usually have a lot of pics each year and is rare thay give future draft pics to move up wich is also rare see NE how they picked C.Jakson, or Philly or Denver none gave next year draft picks to move up and if they do they're usually second day late pics they know that.
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Last I checked, neither Philly nor Denver have won a super bowl any time recently (or at least not since the Elway years). And with their phenominal "base" players, the Eagles ended up last in the NFC East last year?

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There are enough examples of teams that won by way of FA aquisitions, good luck and good drafting as there are teams that lose year in and year out due to FA aquisitions, bad luck and poor drafting. The 3 keys to building championship teams is coaching, chemistry and uhhh...something else that starts with a "c".

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[quote=724Skinsfan]There are enough examples of teams that won by way of FA aquisitions, good luck and good drafting as there are teams that lose year in and year out due to FA aquisitions, bad luck and poor drafting. The 3 keys to building championship teams is coaching, chemistry and uhhh...something else that starts with a "c".[/quote]

commitment ?

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[quote=warriorzpath]commitment ?[/quote]

{looks over to a panel of judges} Yes, we'll accept "committment" as the third "c".

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[quote=warriorzpath]I don't think it has to be that complicated.

The redskins gave up 2 picks to move up: (1) next year's 2nd rounder and (2) a 6th rounder this year. The moving up part was the redskins swapping our 2nd rounder with the Jets' 2nd rounder (moving up from 53 to 35).

I don't how that concept can be that complicated. And I am trying to think of some metaphor to help explain it, but anything more that I add would just confuse things even more.[/quote]

It's not complicated, but I think that's the problem.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]3 starters for JP Losman? Spears is a definite starter that will contribute, no argument there. JJ can't stay on the field long enough to gain Parcells confidence. And Bledsoe? Bledsoe? Bledsoe stepped out of the shower this morning and got sacked again by Phillip Daniels. During his time with Dallas has he led the team to the promised land? No, he throws it to the other team late in the fourth so they can score the game winning TD.[/quote]

during his time in dallas he's only been with us 1 year? and almsot reached the playoff with the worst Oline in history an oline that made Phillip Daniels a total underachiver like a probowler (please and don't arguew there because before that game you were all calling for his head), and JJ yes he has ahd awful injuries and we might have to question his durabillity but you can't deny he has shown sign of greatness.

And right now those 3 are starters JP is fighting for his spot and was bentched last season so tell me right now who got the better end of the deal.

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[quote=Hog1]And Bledsoe? Bledsoe? Bledsoe stepped out of the shower this morning and got sacked again by Phillip Daniels.
THAT's HUMOR!!

But seriously Dboys, you cannot be holding out Denver, NE, Philly as the model teams of the new Millenium??????? Only one of the three is even in the same league (from as accomplishment standpoint)as the SKINS under JOE. Incidently that includes Parcells. That having been said, why would we be inclined to follow that example? Joe is not afraid to be the innovator. Don't be afraid to Lead![/quote]

Moving up on the draft giving up future draft pics isn't innovating it has been done for ages and well history speeks for itself just tell me from the past 6 draft tell me all your first day pics how many are still on the team how many are probowlers or have lived to the spot they where drafted. How many are or will be busts you'll see a high percentage of players that didn't turn out to be what you plan that's why having more pics gives you a better chance 2 succed ( also selecting good players but thats another topic).

I agree Joe isn't afraid of innovating and yo usee it with the size and type of receivers his bringing this year but what his doing i nthe draft isn't innovating and has written dissaster all over the place we can talk about it in 4 years when gibbs is no longer in the team.

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[quote=That Guy]i don't know how you compare a 6th round pick to hank aaron, pete rose or mickey mantle...[/quote]

Man i just gave names I didn'tput value on them of course they aren't worth a six.... just names to express a point.

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I think that Rocky Mc.intosh will be a great player if he can stay healthy, and not become injured. He should be able to make a great contribution to the Redskins linebacker core.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21]Last I checked, neither Philly nor Denver have won a super bowl any time recently (or at least not since the Elway years). And with their phenominal "base" players, the Eagles ended up last in the NFC East last year?[/quote]

Philly hasn't won a SB but wen't to 4 consecutive championships games i nthe past 5 years tahts a championship caliber team... and tell me the last time Denver had a mediocare team you know a team that went 5 -11 like ours has thats a championship caliber team a team that's allways is competing and has a posibility to go for the superbowl.

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[quote=phooey360]I think that Rocky Mc.intosh will be a great player if he can stay healthy, and not become injured. He should be able to make a great contribution to the Redskins linebacker core.[/quote]

His a great player with huge potential that fills an area of need for your team with some health concerns that's the basics.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Philly hasn't won a SB but wen't to 4 consecutive championships games i nthe past 5 years tahts a championship caliber team... and tell me the last time Denver had a mediocare team you know a team that went 5 -11 like ours has thats a championship caliber team a team that's allways is competing and has a posibility to go for the superbowl.[/quote]

Well, then that's your definition of "championship caliber". For me, I don't see any reason to pattern our franchise after a team like the Eagles when they've never won a super bowl, and when they've lost 3 out of 4 NFC championship games (two of which at their own stadium). The Broncos are lucky to make it out of the first round of the playoffs every year. To me, that's not "championship caliber". It might be "playoff caliber", but when you can't even make it to the AFC championship game, you're pretty darn far away from any kind of "championship".

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so if teams like NE, Philly, Denver and Pittsburgh wich also use the same type of drafting li those 3 I previous mention aren't Championship caliber teams and models of succes tell me wich teams are? please let me know

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Man i just gave names I didn'tput value on them of course they aren't worth a six.... just names to express a point.[/quote]

Well the point that gets expressed by using Hall of Famers is that the skins somehow gave up 3 unbelievable players for just 1. That's not the case and it's disingenuous for you to now backtrack and not admit that your analogy was flawed. If you really only wanted to express your point with numbers, why not use hypotheticals like X, Y, Z? Particularly if you're going to use a baseball card analogy, the names of the players you choose are the only thing that governs the value of the cards (i.e. the picks).

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so if teams like NE, Philly, Denver and Pittsburgh wich also use the same type of drafting like those 3 I previous mention aren't Championship caliber teams and models of succes tell me wich teams are? please let me know

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[quote=D'BOYZ]so if teams like NE, Philly, Denver and Pittsburgh wich also use the same type of drafting li those 3 I previous mention aren't Championship caliber teams and models of succes tell me wich teams are? please let me know[/quote]

Well, you didn't say Pittsburgh before, and I didn't argue against NE.

In any event, there isn't only one way to win a championship. Some teams have done it with amazing offense, some with great defense. Some with great drafting, some with key free agent acquisitions. Above all, however, I think the most important aspect is great coaching. You can have the best draft picks in the world, if your coaches suck, they aren't going to develop and your team is never going to be championship caliber. It's the coaching at NE and Pitt that made those teams great. I don't believe for one second that the same coaching staff couldn't have had the same success with key free agents.

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I didn't say pitt because I tought 3 teams where enough but they also move up in the draft the same way Denver NE and the Eagles do they use the same type of strategy they don't give away future pics.

So you agree that NE and Pitts have great programs because they have won recent SB even though it took 10 years for pitt to reach the superbowl again, but you don't agree the Eagles and Denver have great programs championship caliber teams because the eagles didn't won the superbowl they played last year and lost 3 consecutive championship games.

And because denver hasn't win/gone to a superbowl since Elway that was 7 years ago even tought they have been consistent for the past 7 years and haven't had a bad season in all this time??

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Moving up on the draft giving up future draft pics isn't innovating it has been done for ages and well history speeks for itself just tell me from the past 6 draft tell me all your first day pics how many are still on the team how many are probowlers or have lived to the spot they where drafted. How many are or will be busts you'll see a high percentage of players that didn't turn out to be what you plan that's why having more pics gives you a better chance 2 succed ( also selecting good players but thats another topic).

I agree Joe isn't afraid of innovating and yo usee it with the size and type of receivers his bringing this year but what his doing i nthe draft isn't innovating and has written dissaster all over the place we can talk about it in 4 years when gibbs is no longer in the team.[/quote]

Gibbs is defining his own style of personnel decisions. Because of his style, nfl experts cannot evaluate the redskins draft on its own anymore, they must evaluate the entire offseason as a whole without separating any part of it (draft, free agency, trades, cuts, salary cap based decisions, coaching staff additions/changes). All of these areas of personnel decision-making affects each other as a whole. He is an innovator in these decisions, this approach, and (don't forget) the role and responsibilities he has set for himself as head coach and team president.

I don't want to talk about how he is doing when he is gone, that doesn't make any sense to me; let's discuss his ability and performance now. How he has improved the team and created stability with an openness to positive change. I will not forget the past decade or so without gibbs, and to me this is the best position the redskins have been in, in years. And the organization is still moving upward. To me, there is nothing to support that the draft for the redskins has disaster "written all over" it; and it seems to be just wishful thinking (and hating). Redskins last year: 10-6, playoff birth, won 6 games in a row (including playoff win)... and we have upgraded the team (especially in positions of need). I don't think that's a recipe for disaster.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]I didn't say pitt because I tought 3 teams where enough but they also move up in the draft the same way Denver NE and the Eagles do they use the same type of strategy they don't give away future pics.

So you agree that NE and Pitts have great programs because they have won recent SB even though it took 10 years for pitt to reach the superbowl again, but you don't agree the Eagles and Denver have great programs championship caliber teams because the eagles didn't won the superbowl they played last year and lost 3 consecutive championship games.

And because denver hasn't win/gone to a superbowl since Elway that was 7 years ago even tought they have been consistent for the past 7 years and haven't had a bad season in all this time??[/quote]

You said "championship caliber", not me. Explain to me how Denver is a championship caliber team. We're talking about current teams here, not what they did 10 years ago with completely different players and in many cases different coaching staffs. How is Denver "championship caliber"? Because they can get into the playoffs? Because they don't have bad years? Ok, so apparently they are awarding championships simply based on making the playoffs and consistency now? I wasn't aware of that.

As for the Eagles, the fact that they haven't won a super bowl is inexcusable. You're talking about a team that built itself up from the depths of the NFC, only to fall short year after year after year because they didn't want to spend the money to get themselves over the hump. And you want to model that franchise why? Because their system has yielded ONE NFC Championship in 25 years. Because their unwillingness to go after that one extra playmaker has arguably cost them 4 decent shots at a ring? How again are they "championship caliber"?

Look, I'm not going to argue semantics with you. You've (I think) explained why you believe these teams are championship caliber and why they support your stance that teams who trade future picks can't possibly ever win a championship. Being how the Skins are really the first team in recent memory to employ this strategy on a consistent basis, I think it's a little premature to say that their strategy hasn't worked.........especially since the team has made leaps and bounds since Gibbs has come back.

I will leave you with this, however. This offseason the Skins have added (through draft picks or otherwise) two legit #2 WRs who have already had success in the NFL, a pass rushing DE that will be a starter, a solid veteran starting TE, a solid veteran starting safety, a rookie LB that will probably be a starter, a backup QB with experience in a new explosive offense that has proven successful in the NFL, and an offensive coordinator thought by many to be one of the best in the NFL who could have been a head coach for other teams. All of that added to a team that went into the second round of the playoffs last year. What have Denver and Philly done to get better? Do the math and tell me the Skins don't appear to be in a better position at a championship run than those two "championship caliber" teams. Maybe their rookies are going to be great, maybe they'll be busts. At least we pretty much know what we got.

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[quote=warriorzpath]Gibbs is defining his own style of personnel decisions. Because of his style, nfl experts cannot evaluate the redskins draft on its own anymore, they must evaluate the entire offseason as a whole without separating any part of it (draft, free agency, trades, cuts, salary cap based decisions, coaching staff additions/changes). All of these areas of personnel decision-making affects each other as a whole. He is an innovator in these decisions, this approach, and (don't forget) the role and responsibilities he has set for himself as head coach and team president.

I don't want to talk about how he is doing when he is gone, that doesn't make any sense to me; let's discuss his ability and performance now. How he has improved the team and created stability with an openness to positive change. I will not forget the past decade or so without gibbs, and to me this is the best position the redskins have been in, in years. And the organization is still moving upward. To me, there is nothing to support that the draft for the redskins has disaster "written all over" it; and it seems to be just wishful thinking (and hating). Redskins last year: 10-6, playoff birth, won 6 games in a row (including playoff win)... and we have upgraded the team (especially in positions of need). I don't think that's a recipe for disaster.[/quote]

In a nutshell DBOYS, WP has pretty much nailed it! I would add that you can take all the stats you wish, and you can apply that to the rank and fine with relative success, because most teams pretty much do the same thing as all the other teams lacking original any thought. That is not who you are talking about here. You can speculate as to the draft being a total disaster or whatever nonsense was being touted. I personally have to go with the creds..........who's got em'??????????? You..............Pine riders like like idiot Sean Salisbury.......or 3-time Super Bowl winning coach???? Easy choice.
Additionally, one of the X-players I do have respect for, as he has seen success, like Ron Jaworski, stated on interview when asked about things, draft "the Skins have had a fantastic off season". "The NFC East is scared to death with what they are doing in DC". You might be thinking.............the Boy's aint' afraid. They should be after the strummin' they had last season with Joe's team. Finally, If you need an avalanche of meaningless stats compiled by 20k a year drones, to give you a comfort zone, so be it! I'll go with results delivered! Joe goes his way and delivers! History always repeats itself!!!!!!!

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[quote=Hog1]In a nutshell DBOYS, WP has pretty much nailed it! I would add that you can take all the stats you wish, and you can apply that to the rank and fine with relative success, because most teams pretty much do the same thing as all the other teams lacking original any thought. That is not who you are talking about here. You can speculate as to the draft being a total disaster or whatever nonsense was being touted. I personally have to go with the creds..........who's got em'??????????? You..............Pine riders like like idiot Sean Salisbury.......or 3-time Super Bowl winning coach???? Easy choice.
Additionally, one of the X-players I do have respect for, as he has seen success, like Ron Jaworski, stated on interview when asked about things, draft "the Skins have had a fantastic off season". "The NFC East is scared to death with what they are doing in DC". You might be thinking.............the Boy's aint' afraid. They should be after the strummin' they had last season with Joe's team. Finally, If you need an avalanche of meaningless stats compiled by 20k a year drones, to give you a comfort zone, so be it! I'll go with results delivered! Joe goes his way and delivers! History always repeats itself!!!!!!![/quote]

As Keanu Reeves once said...."[SIZE=1]whoa[/SIZE]"

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[quote=warriorzpath]Gibbs is defining his own style of personnel decisions. Because of his style, nfl experts cannot evaluate the redskins draft on its own anymore, they must evaluate the entire offseason as a whole without separating any part of it (draft, free agency, trades, cuts, salary cap based decisions, coaching staff additions/changes). All of these areas of personnel decision-making affects each other as a whole. He is an innovator in these decisions, this approach, and (don't forget) the role and responsibilities he has set for himself as head coach and team president.[/quote]

Look first I don't disagree with you on what gibbs has brought to your team he has made great personel desicion has brought via FA excellent players that fit his style and has made your team competitive and hungry again.

Also your team has brought a new way of cap manegemnt to he NFL that has let them bring the player they want each year withou mayor consecuences that also is true.

but in thsi case you have to saparete what he has been doing in FA and the draft because they haven't merge yet if let's say gibbs had traded this year second round pick to the Jets for moss instead of coles then yes there would be a relation. but no the only way to compare and evaluate his draft moves is based only on the draft and hsi draft pics because he has only traded draft pics he hasn't merge the 2 sides of the bussnises get FA/ trades/ draft.

offcourse your FA pics affect what would you do i nthe draft as it does with every other team like Archuleta took a SS need aways from the draft but it doesn't determine the moves you make during the draft.

Like the 1 you did and the reason that I call these type of moves (giving away future high picks) risky or a disaster waiting to happen is because of history look 2 years ago is that easy Bufallo traded with us their low 2nd round a 5th and last year first for our 22 in the first round. How did it tur out? well got JJ, Spears and Ryan (an eventually Bledose because he was released because of JP losman) and Buffalo only got Losman 2 years later JJ , Spears and Bledsoe are starters in our team and Losman is a backup and has been almost been shown the door with a lot of speculation from the Bills that want to trade him.

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Guys your're really getting out off the contect here there's a difference between offseason moves and draft specially if you don't make a move during the draft than involves a player like denver and GB did.

Gibbs have made great offseason addition and has make your team better I've said that numeros times in other post you DON'T have a problem with what your team has done in the offseason they get the players they want that fit your system, and yes your team is 1 of the toughest in the division if not the toughest..... but I'm not talking about your offseason moves I'm talking about your draft strategy as I'm not talking about Philly offseason moves or denvers or NE for that matter I agree the reason Philly dind't won a SB during that span is because they let go of key personal player and didn't reach for that player taht might get them there.

But you cant dismiss the fact that they have great draft strategies because they remain competitive each year Phi, Devnver, NE, Pitts they usually have great DRAFTS and that's the model I'm talking and having great draft it's what keeps you competitive in the long run.

Now the difference between a Championship team and a Championship caliber team is that the championship team is the team that won it there only can be 1 and a Champsionship caliber team is a tea mthat has a chance to reach and win the championship.... Like the Colts or for you the Colts haven't been a championship caliber team the past years either?.

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D'BOYZ, some of us remember back in Gibbs' first tenure from 1981 to 1993. He had four first round draft picks. Thirteen years, four picks in the first round. His playoff record during that time was 15 - 5 (I think). Gibbs builds his teams primarily through FA not the draft.

The discussion about Philly, NE and Denver building solid teams through the draft is fine if that's all you're interested in. I'm interested in watching the Redskins play longer than 30 other teams in the NFL. As is evident by his playoff record, Gibbs builds powerhouse teams that play deep into the playoffs.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]Look first I don't disagree with you on what gibbs has brought to your team he has made great personel desicion has brought via FA excellent players that fit his style and has made your team competitive and hungry again.

Also your team has brought a new way of cap manegemnt to he NFL that has let them bring the player they want each year withou mayor consecuences that also is true.

but in thsi case you have to saparete what he has been doing in FA and the draft because they haven't merge yet if let's say gibbs had traded this year second round pick to the Jets for moss instead of coles then yes there would be a relation. but no the only way to compare and evaluate his draft moves is based only on the draft and hsi draft pics because he has only traded draft pics he hasn't merge the 2 sides of the bussnises get FA/ trades/ draft.

offcourse your FA pics affect what would you do i nthe draft as it does with every other team like Archuleta took a SS need aways from the draft but it doesn't determine the moves you make during the draft.

Like the 1 you did and the reason that I call these type of moves (giving away future high picks) risky or a disaster waiting to happen is because of history look 2 years ago is that easy Bufallo traded with us their low 2nd round a 5th and last year first for our 22 in the first round. How did it tur out? well got JJ, Spears and Ryan (an eventually Bledose because he was released because of JP losman) and Buffalo only got Losman 2 years later JJ , Spears and Bledsoe are starters in our team and Losman is a backup and has been almost been shown the door with a lot of speculation from the Bills that want to trade him.[/quote]

I think that's where gibbs's approach to the offseason and personnel differs from traditional thinking. I think a lot of personnel evaluators have a tunnel-visioned approach to the draft and free agency (and other personnel-based areas), but it seems that gibbs looks at it from an overall team standpoint. How all of it affects each other. I can't get a hold of your sentence/statement of how fa affects the draft, but doesn't determine the moves you make during the draft. What do you mean by "affects" and "doesn't determine" ? Isn't this a little contradictory ?

I still don't understand how this draft will become a disaster for the redskins. How ? I don't see how it would be the possible end of the redskins as we know it (like a hurricane katrina, that's what I see a disaster as). Of course the draft is a risk, that's why gibbs prefers getting players he is sold on in fa and moving up in the draft to get a guy that they have a good feeling for. In this way, it is less of a risk (of wasting your investment). But to me, this is in no way a risk that would bring disaster to the redskins. A risk that would bring possible disaster to a team would be to sign a player named Terrell Owens. Now that has disaster written all over it.

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D'BOYZ:

I just don't think you can consider one (draft strategy) without the other (free agency strategy). First of all, a number of our offseason acquisitions were acquired by trading our future draft picks, so in those instances the two are directly related.

Second, the moves that the skins make in free agency allows them the luxury of not being dependant on the draft. For the Skins, spending 2 or 3 picks to move up and get the one player they want makes sense because they fill all of their other needs in free agency. The teams that do nothing in free agency are dependant on the draft to fill the holes in their roster. So while it may be a bad idea for Philly to trade away a bunch of picks to move up and get one or two guys, that doesn't mean it's a bad idea for the Skins to do it. The Eagles choose to use the draft to fill holes, the Skins choose free agency and trades. As such, stocking up on draft picks just isn't a necessity for the Skins. Conversely, the Eagles choose to do nothing during the off season leading up to the draft. They, therefore, don't have the luxury of spending multiple picks to make sure they get the one guy they want, because doing so leaves them with holes all over their roster.

The point is, what works for one team (and what doesn't work for one team) does not necessarily translate over to every other team in the NFL. By not considering the Skins' other offseason moves, you are refusing to recognize that there are multiple ways to build a great team.....and that not every team needs to value their draft picks the same way. Future draft picks don't matter as much to the Skins because of their approach at free agency and trading. Therefore, criticizing them for simply trading away future draft picks isn't taking all factors into account. You may want to isolate the issue, but that's not a good way of going about criticizing a team.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]D'BOYZ, some of us remember back in Gibbs' first tenure from 1981 to 1993. He had four first round draft picks. Thirteen years, four picks in the first round. His playoff record during that time was 15 - 5 (I think). Gibbs builds his teams primarily through FA not the draft.

The discussion about Philly, NE and Denver building solid teams through the draft is fine if that's all you're interested in. I'm interested in watching the Redskins play longer than 30 other teams in the NFL. As is evident by his playoff record, Gibbs builds powerhouse teams that play deep into the playoffs.[/quote]i agree, and i might add that in fa you pretty much know what you are getting when you pick up a player, in the draft almost every player is a crap shoot. when you go get vet player from another team he already has gotten his feet wet in the nfl and knows how to conduct himself in a professional manner.this is not always true but i feel a little more comfortable with a vet as opposed to a class of rookies who are still learning how to play and may be a little immature.

Re: Grade Rocky McIntosh
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]question, before today, would you rather have jimmy williams or mcintosh?

we don't have a need at OT or WR, even though those players are great too (jackson/justice), but if you'd have passed on williams for mcintosh last week, everyone would say you're nuts. (just move him to safety and turn archuleta into a linebacker :P)[/QUOTE]


100% in favor of McIntosh over williams. Jimmy Williams is an idiot, loud mouth in the mold of Pacman Jones. We did well to avoid that jackass in last year's draft and I believe we will all see that avoiding williams was a good decision.

Re: Grade Rocky McIntosh
 

I may be a dick but "substract" is the funniest spelling I've ever seen...

Re: Grade Rocky McIntosh
 

D'BOYZ, just my opinion - but I think you're trying to separate the draft from all the other redskins personnel moves in order to make your (weak, in my opinion) argument appear stronger than it really is.