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[quote=GTripp0012]A lot of this will get opinional, but here's who I think is better than Drew for the 2006 season:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck
Trent Green
Ben Roethlisberger
Mark Brunell
Drew Brees
Jake Delhomme
Marc Bulger
Kurt Warner
Brett Favre
Eli Manning
Donovan McNabb
Brad Johnson
Steve McNair
Michael Vick

Because this list is 100% mine, I left off some names of QBs who I believe are a bit overrated such as Plummer and Leftwich. But I'm sure a lot of people here could come up with a top 15 list that doesn't include Bledsoe.

Bledsoe has top career QB stats due to longevity, which is a credit to him, but being around as long as he has with his rep, one would expect more than one trip to the SB. The guy hasn't even started a playoff game since 1997 (8 years). So the winning just isn't there.[/quote]

for 2006? you're going to have to axe bulger and mcnabb then, cause they didn't play enough to be considered for any list like this. warner also missed 6 games and with an 11-9 TD-INT ratio couldn't really be put above bledsoe in 2006 either (he also had better WRs and a better OL believe it or not). Farve (even though his team was terrible) is someone i'd also consider very borderline in 2006 because he threw 9 more ints than tds, though he did play on a VERY bad team. Eli's a wash.

that'd make him top 15 (axing bulger/mcnabb/warner, all of which didn't play enough). eli and brunell are essentially somewhat equal production wise. on a bad year like 2006, he's top 15. on a good year (culpepper doesn't suck etc) he'd be top 20. Either way, being average is a lot better than sucking... i mean, he could be tony romo, or alex smith.

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Again, not a Cowgirls fan, but when you argue something there should be a little more info. Here is a list of hall of fame QBs and how Bledsoe measures up :

Bledsoe : 33k yards 165 tds 141 ints 81.6 passer rating

HOF QBs
Blanda : 27K yards 236 tds 277 ints 60.6 passer rating
Bradshaw : 28K yards 212 tds 210 ints 70.9 passer rating
Elway : 51.5K yards 300 tds 226 ints 79.9 passer rating
Marino : 61k yards 420 tds 252 ints 86.4 passer rating
Montana 40.5k yards 273 tds 139 ints 92.3 passer rating
Unitas 40.2K yards 290 tds 253 ints 78.2 passer rating.
these are just a few, but given Bledsoe may throw for another 9 to 12k yards before retiring, thats is only 3K a year which may be possible given the TO thing that puts him to around 45K yards, avg 20 tds a year, thats around 245 tds and 15 ints thats around 200 picks. that puts him behind only Marino and Elway in yards, around 4th or 5th in tds and gives him less ints to all except Montana.

Now if you are going on him not winning the big one, can you say Marino isn't hall of fame material because he didn't win the big one? I think not. Bledsoe has been on some pretty bad teams in the past, and could have possible one the big one as a started had he not gotten hurt. All this bledsoe bashing is because him being a Cowgirl. (which I generally agree with) I just think he may be getting a raw deal here

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2006, as in next year, not last year.

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[quote=GTripp0012]A lot of this will get opinional, but here's who I think is better than Drew for the 2006 season:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Matt Hasselbeck
Trent Green
Ben Roethlisberger
Mark Brunell
Drew Brees
Jake Delhomme
Marc Bulger
Kurt Warner
Brett Favre
Eli Manning
Donovan McNabb
Brad Johnson
Steve McNair
Michael Vick

Because this list is 100% mine, I left off some names of QBs who I believe are a bit overrated such as Plummer and Leftwich. But I'm sure a lot of people here could come up with a top 15 list that doesn't include Bledsoe.

Bledsoe has top career QB stats due to longevity, which is a credit to him, but being around as long as he has with his rep, one would expect more than one trip to the SB. The guy hasn't even started a playoff game since 1997 (8 years). So the winning just isn't there.[/quote]

I am not sure how Palmer, Rothlesberger, Eli, Vick, Breese, can even be mentioned. I am not saying these guys wont be better, but to compare year or two stats against a guy that is ranked in the top 10 in most of the all time stats is a bit crazy. Vick is the most over rated, over hyped players in the NFL. Brad Johnson, are you kidding. Serviceable, but not as good. Jake D is not as good as people make him out to be. The guy benefits from throwing hell marrys to Smith. He throws way too many ints and gets help from a pretty damn good defense most of the time. Hasselbeck has had a couple of good years, hasn't played enough yet. Green has been pretty good I'll give you that, McNair, aside from his heart of champion and toughness is one of the great QBs in todays NFL. Drew breese, jury still out. Lets see what he does in New Orleans. Bledsoe has been with 3 teams, 3 offenses to learn and puts up pretty consistant numbers.

Top Qbs in todays NFL (not in any order)
P. Manning
D. McNabb
D. Bledsoe
C. Palmer
S. McNair
K. Warner
J. Plummer
C.Pennington (when healthy)
T. Brady
B. Farve
Rest are probably about average to NFL standards. ( I may have forgotten someone obvious, forgive me if I did)

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[quote=#56fanatic]Again, not a Cowgirls fan, but when you argue something there should be a little more info. Here is a list of hall of fame QBs and how Bledsoe measures up :

Bledsoe : 33k yards 165 tds 141 ints 81.6 passer rating

HOF QBs
Blanda : 27K yards 236 tds 277 ints 60.6 passer rating
Bradshaw : 28K yards 212 tds 210 ints 70.9 passer rating
Elway : 51.5K yards 300 tds 226 ints 79.9 passer rating
Marino : 61k yards 420 tds 252 ints 86.4 passer rating
Montana 40.5k yards 273 tds 139 ints 92.3 passer rating
Unitas 40.2K yards 290 tds 253 ints 78.2 passer rating.
these are just a few, but given Bledsoe may throw for another 9 to 12k yards before retiring, thats is only 3K a year which may be possible given the TO thing that puts him to around 45K yards, avg 20 tds a year, thats around 245 tds and 15 ints thats around 200 picks. that puts him behind only Marino and Elway in yards, around 4th or 5th in tds and gives him less ints to all except Montana.

Now if you are going on him not winning the big one, can you say Marino isn't hall of fame material because he didn't win the big one? I think not. Bledsoe has been on some pretty bad teams in the past, and could have possible one the big one as a started had he not gotten hurt. All this bledsoe bashing is because him being a Cowgirl. (which I generally agree with) I just think he may be getting a raw deal here[/quote]His TD's aren't even comprable to anyone on that list which probably explains the lack of winning. I don't have his inclusive team TD stat handy, but if the offense doesn't score under him, then I wouldn't mention Bledsoe in the same breath as Marino, Elway, Unitas, or Montana.

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AIR MCNAIR ha are you joking

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[quote=number21isabadman]AIR MCNAIR ha are you joking[/quote]Just because I put a guy on that list of 17 [B]does not [/B]mean I think highly of him. Just higher than Bledsoe at this point in their careers.

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those career stats posted for bledsoe are wrong.

nfl.com:

43,447 yards, 248 tds, 198 ints, 55.7% completion, started 187 or 188 career games, only missed 20 games in 14 years (14 of which came in 2001).

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hey 56fanatic,you going to change your name now that lavar has left?

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[quote=dmek25]hey 56fanatic,you going to change your name now that lavar has left?[/quote]

this is only about the 10th time I have seen this question. And the answer will remain a secret... just kidding, NO. I liked LaVar before he came to washington. I followed him at Penn State, so I think I will keep it as a tribute to a fallen hero, or a washed up LB, which ever.

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[quote=warriorzpath]Just having a little fun at the expense of a cowboys fan, one that can barely spell I might add.[/quote]

English isn't his first language so let's give the guy a break.

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[quote=RobH4413]If Bledsoe gets hurt they're screwed. QB depth:

1. Bledsoe
2. Tony Romo
3. Drew Henson

He's in his 14th season of his career. It's not unlikely that he will miss some games this upcoming season.[/quote]

Even thought Romo and Henson have precticly 0 NFL expirience the coaching staff are really high on them that's way we didn't drafted a qb in this year's draft, they believe that if bledsoe goes down 1 of them can take over for a few games.

but you face the same problem we do if brunnel goes down you can say Campbell but the truth is you don't know nothing from the guys he can come out and be the next B.Rothlisbeger or the next J.P Losman and just stink it up it's a process and he hasn't seen a lot of time.

So if you ask me and becasue both teams see the playoffs and the SB as a possibility neither would like to lose their qb.

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[quote=#56fanatic]I am not sure how Palmer, Rothlesberger, Eli, Vick, Breese, can even be mentioned. I am not saying these guys wont be better, but to compare year or two stats against a guy that is ranked in the top 10 in most of the all time stats is a bit crazy. Vick is the most over rated, over hyped players in the NFL. Brad Johnson, are you kidding. Serviceable, but not as good. Jake D is not as good as people make him out to be. The guy benefits from throwing hell marrys to Smith. He throws way too many ints and gets help from a pretty damn good defense most of the time. Hasselbeck has had a couple of good years, hasn't played enough yet. Green has been pretty good I'll give you that, McNair, aside from his heart of champion and toughness is one of the great QBs in todays NFL. Drew breese, jury still out. Lets see what he does in New Orleans. Bledsoe has been with 3 teams, 3 offenses to learn and puts up pretty consistant numbers.

Top Qbs in todays NFL (not in any order)
P. Manning
D. McNabb
D. Bledsoe
C. Palmer
S. McNair
K. Warner
J. Plummer
C.Pennington (when healthy)
T. Brady
B. Farve
Rest are probably about average to NFL standards. ( I may have forgotten someone obvious, forgive me if I did)[/quote]


I pretty much agree with you the only thing is that I would have to take out K.Warner to injury prone hasn't finish a season since 2001 and Pennington also 2 injury prone and it appears he's almost out the door.

I would replace them with Culppeper even thought he had a bad year and we still need to see how he'll perform with out Moss but in 2004 he posted MVP number and would ahd won it if Peyton hadn't had that freakish season.

The other player I might add is Hasselbeck he has been a top 10 qb in the past 4 seasons and his number keep getting better each year last year he posted 3459yds with a 24-9 td/int his qb ratign since 2001 has gone from 70.9,87.8,88.8,83.1,98.2 those are great numbers.

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[quote=#56fanatic]

Top Qbs in todays NFL (not in any order)
P. Manning
D. McNabb
D. Bledsoe
[I][B] C. Palmer[/B][/I]
S. McNair
K. Warner
[I][B] J. Plummer[/B][/I]
[I][B] C.Pennington (when healthy)[/B][/I]
T. Brady
B. Farve
Rest are probably about average to NFL standards. ( I may have forgotten someone obvious, forgive me if I did)[/quote]

:doh: Let's give them more than one or two seasons.

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[quote=That Guy]those career stats posted for bledsoe are wrong.

nfl.com:

43,447 yards, 248 tds, 198 ints, 55.7% completion, started 187 or 188 career games, only missed 20 games in 14 years (14 of which came in 2001).[/quote]

Yeah he allready passed Unitas and Montana his rating actually also is 77.3 and as the Guy pointed out all this is with 1 season on the bench backing up Brady.

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[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=QB[/url]

Sort the stats any way you want. QB rating, Yds., TDs, etc. You can prove any formula for success that way.

I made a mistake two years ago by denying any cowgirls on my fantasy team.

I did not make that mistake last year.

I'm not going to say Yahoo! has everything right, but it is the forum I use for my Fantasy league.

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[quote=Mattyk72]English isn't his first language so let's give the guy a break.[/quote]


Thxs Mattyk even thought English isn't my first lenguage I try to keep my grammar mistakes to a minimun, It's allways easier to speak a lenguage than writting it.

But what I believe every member respects more in this board is one's opinion. And really at the end of the day if I brin a new perspective or different valid point of view to the board on any subject it will make more happy than not having any spelling mistakes.

I believe the mayority here feels the same way.

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[quote=backrow][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=QB"]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?pos=QB[/URL]

Sort the stats any way you want. QB rating, Yds., TDs, etc. You can prove any formula for success that way.

I made a mistake two years ago by denying any cowgirls on my fantasy team.

I did not make that mistake last year.

I'm not going to say Yahoo! has everything right, but it is the forum I use for my Fantasy league.[/quote]

I used to take it one step further. Before last year, I would not draft a Cowboy nor would I play any player if they were playing the Redskins that weekend. It was a struggle but I actually did well during that period. I once lost a game because I wouldn't play Ahman Green or Donald Driver and my backups were injured. We play in a twelve person league so the waiver wire pickings were slim.

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hey dboyz,i always am interested in what you have to say.it seems like you try to keep it semi-fair in your discussions.keep on keepin on

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[quote=dmek25]hey dboyz,i always am interested in what you have to say.it seems like you try to keep it semi-fair in your discussions.keep on keepin on[/quote]

Thxs man I allways try to keep my passion for the Cowboys controled and not letting it cloud my eyes, that's also what I like of a lot of the members in this board it's the way they try to not let their luv for their team get to the reallity of a situation.

Like all this talk about Bledsoe man I have gather more insightful information from him in this board that I would in a Dallas board.

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That's because he and Dallas sucks. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL REDSKINS RULE! HARHARHARHARHAR


J/K ;)