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[quote=Schneed10;226797]IMO, this statement is kind of asinine. It's not that I mean offense, it's just that I don't care how I sound.

Anywho, do you really think Brunell's going to get any better at this stage of his career? Asking an old dog to learn new tricks at this point doesn't make sense to me. He is what he is. The team has been designed to play a certain brand of football - geared towards what he does.[/quote]

You're right. This team is geared towards dink and dunk passing and throwing the ball away. That's why Al Saunders was brought in, to run the same conservative offense that Gibbs already had installed.

Saying that Brunell is what he is and to just accept it, is basically admitting defeat. So unless everyone around the most important player on the field performs perfectly, they're screwed because the quarterback won't be able to win the game for them. That's the winning attitude that'll have this team at 6-10 at the end of the season.

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Lets hope and pray Springs get back to health and the defense can stop losing games for us. One thing about Brunell, he will not lose a game, but he also will not win it for you either.

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[quote=TAFKAS;226417]But what really is Joe Gibbs football? I mean as the Offensive Coordinator in San Diego he was heavy on the aerial attack, utilizing the strength of his QB Dan Fouts. Then with the Hogs, he went with a smash mouth ground attack. Now, with speedy receivers he has a pseudo-Walsh West Coast attack[/quote]

It's true what TAFKAS says. I think the Al Saunders offense might closely resemble the first offense Gibbs tried to run in 1981, before he discovered Riggins and the Hogs. I was young then but I do remember Terry Metcalfe being featured prominently in the first few games. According to the press guide, someone named Melvin Jones started 10 games at Right Guard. Ricky Thompson started 5 at WR. Thompson was a fan favorite.

The point I would make is that the Redskins may still need a week or two to find a consistent way to produce on offense. There are pieces there, but they need to find a blend that works week in and week out. I think one thing they should stress is finding a way to Get Brunell comfortable from the get go. When he is out of sorts he mostly stays that way and vice-versa. I would also like to see them roll the pocket more. I don't mean bootlegs. I'm talking about what they use to call "dash plays" when Theismann was QB. This gives Brunell a chance to survey the field and it prevents the rushers from charging to a single spot.

At any rate, they need to come out blazing after their bye week to have a decent shot at making something of this season.

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Not surprsied you were banned....

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[quote=hesscl34;227027]Not surprsied you were banned....[/quote]

Uhhh... who got banned?

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;227027]Not surprsied you were banned....[/QUOTE]

Who are you talking about?

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[quote=TAFKAS;227033]Who are you talking about?[/quote]

The author of this thread.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;227035]The author of this thread.[/QUOTE]

Did ES ban him or just lock his thread?

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they locked his thread, banned him, and burned an effigy of him on the home page ;) :FIREdevil

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.... sounds like people didn't like him talking bad about Gibbs... so he got banned...

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The fact that we are quoting specific plays (one from this year, and two from last year, week 2) speaks volumes as to brunell's quality. Simply put, with brunell, we aren't going to win a championship...the only times he does well are when the recievers make something out of nothing...on small dink and dunk passes (which are fine...but should not be the ENTIRE OFFENSE). we will not beat many teams that rightfully play brunell for what he is, a washed up hack. sad but true. bring on cambell.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;227071]The fact that we are quoting specific plays (one from this year, and two from last year, week 2) speaks volumes as to brunell's quality. Simply put, with brunell, we aren't going to win a championship...the only times he does well are when the recievers make something out of nothing...on small dink and dunk passes (which are fine...but should not be the ENTIRE OFFENSE). we will not beat many teams that rightfully play brunell for what he is, a washed up hack. sad but true. bring on cambell.[/quote]

I DON'T agree. When we DO win a championship I'll talk more about this....

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do you honestly believe we can win a championship? our D has not shown an ability to stop anyone (cornerstone of Championships)...and our O is erratic at best, and inept the rest of the time.

How do you see us even making the playoffs...0-2 in NFC east, 0-3 in NFC...i remind you that we made them last year on the back of a stellar end of year run, and an absurd NFC conference record...
time to switch teas, my friend.

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I Have Faith. Go Skins!

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;227111]I Have Faith. Go Skins![/QUOTE]

I'm with you hess! Unfortunately, believers are a dying breed here.

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[quote=TAFKAS;227113]I'm with you hess! Unfortunately, believers are a dying breed here.[/quote]

"Believers" and fans are two different things. Believers are the type of people that think everything is fine, and Washington will be 13-3 or 12-4 at the worst at the end of this season. I actually heard that from a few people after the Giants game.

I am a die hard FAN of this team, and as much as I want them to win, I can also see their limitations. I commend believers for being able to maintain faith, but it's also a bit far fetched to think this team is performing anywhere close to championship level.

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[quote=Southpaw;227117]"Believers" and fans are two different things. Believers are the type of people that think everything is fine, and Washington will be 13-3 or 12-4 at the worst at the end of this season. I actually heard that from a few people after the Giants game.

I am a die hard FAN of this team, and as much as I want them to win, I can also see their limitations. I commend believers for being able to maintain faith, but it's also a bit far fetched to think this team is performing anywhere close to championship level.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]When I was growing up (back in the old Gibbs days), my father used to call the Redskins the “Heart Attack Skins”. .because they always seemed to come from behind.. it never seemed that easy.. and it was always stressful. It's how this team is. For some reason, it's our fate I think. Fight on, Fight on until you have won!!!! I HAVE FAITH! :)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;227117]"Believers" and fans are two different things. Believers are the type of people that think everything is fine, and Washington will be 13-3 or 12-4 at the worst at the end of this season. I actually heard that from a few people after the Giants game.

I am a die hard FAN of this team, and as much as I want them to win, I can also see their limitations. I commend believers for being able to maintain faith, but it's also a bit far fetched to think this team is performing anywhere close to championship level.[/QUOTE]

Don't think people like hess, Matty, and myself (among others) don't realize we're not playing well. Or that there are several areas in which we have to improve. But we "believe" it can be done. There are plenty of people who have thrown in the towel. And that's fine, I choose not to be that way.

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Actually, I believe it is the "Cardiac Skins"

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I "believe" the Skins' will play this weekend. Beyond that, I make no further predictions. I call this a Martyball Prediction.

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[quote=hesscl34;227119][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]When I was growing up (back in the old Gibbs days), my father used to call the Redskins the “Heart Attack Skins”. .because they always seemed to come from behind.. it never seemed that easy.. and it was always stressful. It's how this team is. For some reason, it's our fate I think. Fight on, Fight on until you have won!!!! I HAVE FAITH! :)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

If you'll look at my post in another thread, you'll see that "come from behind" is not in Mark Brunell's vocabulary.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/14857-what-wrong-offense-4.html#post226686[/URL]

And I will always hold hope that Washington will turn things around, but blind faith is something I haven't had in more than a decade.

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.. remind me never to watch a game with you. Negative energy like yours only hurts the team. You must focus and have postive thoughts!! :)

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[quote=Southpaw;227117]"Believers" and fans are two different things. Believers are the type of people that think everything is fine, and Washington will be 13-3 or 12-4 at the worst at the end of this season. I actually heard that from a few people after the Giants game.

I am a die hard FAN of this team, and as much as I want them to win, I can also see their limitations. I commend believers for being able to maintain faith, but it's also a bit far fetched to think this team is performing anywhere close to championship level.[/quote]

I could not disagree more.
My son's freshman HS team had a big "come from behind" win last thursday against a vaunted rival. With time RAPIDLY running out, the coach called the often used option play which the QB tossed to the wide out who then beat two tackles and took it to the hole (53 yards). During the last few minutes in the stands, 300ish parents generated the noise of 3000. Do they believe this team is championship caliber? Do we think their perfect? Do we think they don't need changes? No, just an average HS team. We are fans and, as such, refuse to give up. Nothing is gained from trying to pick apart all that is good or can be. Something can be gained from continued support, and teams can be inspired or willed to greatness through others.
It is the same for my Redskins. Believer? Hardly. Fan? Definately

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[quote=Hog1;227137]I could not disagree more.
My son's freshman HS team had a big "come from behind" win last thursday against a vaunted rival. With time RAPIDLY running out, the coach called the often used option play which the QB tossed to the wide out who then beat two tackles and took it to the hole (53 yards). During the last few minutes in the stands, 300ish parents generated the noise of 3000. Do they believe this team is championship caliber? Do we think their perfect? Do we think they don't need changes? No, just an average HS team. We are fans and, as such, refuse to give up. Nothing is gained from trying to pick apart all that is good or can be. Something can be gained from continued support, and teams can be inspired or willed to greatness through others.
It is the same for my Redskins. Believer? Hardly. Fan? Definately[/quote]

That's getting into a bit of symantics because all believers are inherently fans, but not all fans are believers. And I would imagine that a parent whose kids team pulled off something great like that would go crazy, but I'm also sure most of them don't know enough about the other teams in the league, or the even the inner workings of their kids team to make any kind of educated analysis about it's ability.

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[quote=hesscl34;227134].. remind me never to watch a game with you. Negative energy like yours only hurts the team. You must focus and have postive thoughts!! :)[/quote]

I'm pretty sure my personal "negative energy" has nothing to do with the performance of the Washington Redskins, whatsoever.

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[quote=hesscl34;227111]I Have Faith. Go Skins![/quote]

tough to argue with such elegantly constructed arguments...

Believe all you want, but i'm of the trust but verify camp...as in, i trust that brunell is still a capable QB, however, the results indicate otherwise. same can be said for the skins as a team...

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You guys are missing the point. A real fan never loses faith completely. There is always hope.

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no, we are not missing the point, we've not lost all hope...but we are realists..and the reality is the skins are an erratic team, without a decent QB.

i'm not gonna sit there and let you tell me i'm buying a brand new ferrari when its clearly a ford...

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;227164]no, we are not missing the point, we've not lost all hope...but we are realists..and the reality is the skins are an erratic team, without a decent QB. [/quote]

That's a portion of this forum that will tell you you're not a true fan for that kind of comment. Trust in the demigod Joe Gibbs or DIE!!!

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[quote=Southpaw;227141]That's getting into a bit of symantics because all believers are inherently fans, but not all fans are believers. And I would imagine that a parent whose kids team pulled off something great like that would go crazy, but I'm also sure most of them don't know enough about the other teams in the league, or the even the inner workings of their kids team to make any kind of educated analysis about it's ability.[/quote]

I don't really see being a fan as having much to do with the guaging talent or ability of other teams. It is interesting from a projected success standpoint to do so. Just my opinion, but, generally I think if you are a fan, you should look for ways to get behind the team, rather than continually dissect and tear down. That does not mean you look blindly upon their shortcomings. Nor does it mean you put yourself above the coaching staff. Who among us can say they are qualified? This is especially true, considering the success our coaching staff has had. Does Joe and Co think they have a problem? YES! Does Joe have way to much class to air dirty laundry in public? Does Joe realize that to do anything but take the high road is counterproductive? YES. TO continually call out the coaching staff, and second guess same is an asinine display of Jackassery (thanx MK). Being a fan is tough-NOT FOR EVERYBODY

I really must add, with the rigorous rippage of the team and staff that is regularly demonstrated by many of the frequenters of this site, I have to ask, do they REALLY enjoy this? TOO WIERD

-A FAN

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;227165]That's a portion of this forum that will tell you you're not a true fan for that kind of comment. Trust in the demigod Joe Gibbs or DIE!!![/QUOTE]

Then there are those who say those of us who believe and have faith (not blind faith) aren't true fans. Because real fans would be more critical

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Uhhhh...I'm a more better fan than ...uhhh.... all y'all!

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[quote=TAFKAS;227170]Then there are those who say those of us who believe and have faith (not blind faith) aren't true fans. Because real fans would be more critical[/quote]

I actually commend the 100% faithful fans for being able to be so optimistic. I'm sure those are the type of fans that Snyder and company are the happiest to have, instead of the other side of the fence that questions every move that is made. But at this point, the organization should expect it, since all of the hooplah Snyder creates in the offseason has produced nothing but mediocrity.

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[quote=Southpaw;227165]That's a portion of this forum that will tell you you're not a true fan for that kind of comment. Trust in the demigod Joe Gibbs or DIE!!![/quote]

Damn straight!!! :)

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I wish the biggest problem in my life is whether or not the Redskins lose on Sunday. But it's far from it, it's a fun diversion so why approach it with such negativity.

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That's why when I wake up in the morning, I piss optimism. Then blow my nose with Mark Brunell tissues! ;)

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[quote=TAFKAS;227175]I wish the biggest problem in my life is whether or not the Redskins lose on Sunday. But it's far from it, it's a fun diversion so why approach it with such negativity.[/quote]

That's what I'll never understand.

But I have to say I've run across the same thing outside of sports as well. I lurk on some of my favorite band's message boards and it seems like there are always a big chunk of people who rip the band left and right, hate the latest CD, hate the latest tours, etc., and I'm like damn if you hate the music so much why do you listen to them, go to the shows, and buy their CDs?? Where is the joy in ripping what you enjoy?

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I think it's because maybe where there IS a change, people can feel the burn in their loins when they say, "I told you so."

Not that I'm saying that now, but I'm more on the "Brunell is a bigger problem than people think." side of the fence. God knows we have the talent, he's just got to get the ball there. That said, he's due for a few more good games and I hope to God he can find his rhythm that he did earlier in the year last year.

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[quote=TAFKAS;227175]I wish the biggest problem in my life is whether or not the Redskins lose on Sunday. But it's far from it, it's a fun diversion so why approach it with such negativity.[/quote]

I imagine football is a diversion for 99% of people that watch it. Making the comment that Washington is not a championship caliber team does not mean that my life is actually affected in any way, whether they win or lose, other than a little more profanity flying around my living room on Sunday during a loss.

And the word negativity is being used a bit too freely. Everyone on this forum shows "negativity" in one way or another, and there's basically two camps. The people that blame the secondary, the defensive front four, the offensive line, and after all of that, they might acknowledge that Brunell is playing inconsistent. Then there's the other side that blame Brunell first, and think everything is related to that. The only person who doesn't show any negativity at all is hess...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;227182]I think it's because maybe where there IS a change, people can feel the burn in their loins when they say, "I told you so."

Not that I'm saying that now, but I'm more on the "Brunell is a bigger problem than people think." side of the fence. God knows we have the talent, he's just got to get the ball there. That said, he's due for a few more good games and I hope to God he can find his rhythm that he did earlier in the year last year.[/quote]

I love MY SKINS!! ... and the burn in my loins!!!!!!!! :)