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FUCK roy williams! I think it was said b4 but, all he does is chase WR's down and horse-collar tackle them...thats it...hence, the new horse collar rule....RW is a DOUCHE in the true TO fashion of the word...

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I don't understand why they even put those two in the same category, maybe it is to make them feel better about Williams, to put those two in the same sentence is wrong, they know we have the bigger badass. I mean they could put Roy Williams in the same sentence as...don Bebee, he was a badass, with that Darth Vadder space balls, big ass helmet he used to wear to try to scare peolple. He sucked

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:food-smil

cheers to that!

everyone knows, KNOWS< that ST is the biggest badass on defense right now in the whole fucking league, bar none....

roy williams can suck my ass

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Your going to have to wait a minute, because he currently is sucking my ass right now. Roy Williams sucks.

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:laughing2:rofl::laughing-:stop::stop:

oh god

so true...he better hurry up with your ass, i think he has a lot more "random ass sucking on his schedule"

ha

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He's gotta practice for all the asses he's got to suck tommorow, but that is one thing he is good for.

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I hate that Dallas has such an easy schedule. The suck a fatty one week against an ok team, and them they got beat up on a winless one to make themselves feel better and so their fans can talk shit....i HATE IT! I would LOVE to see Drew Bledsoe start halloween early and do his Frankenstein impression all day and have the Texans actually beat a REAL TEAM FOR ONCE! Prolly wont happen but, its fun to dream...but if Dallas DID lose....holy fuck, there'd be some crying Dallas fans around here and I'd be there just to rub it in....lol

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Don't worry the season is still young, they will self distruct, think of the combination. T.O. + Bill Parcells+ Vanderjagt+ Ass Sucker= Disaster. THe real question is, And I think I should start a poll, Which week will Dallas Self distruct and quit?

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great point ! few corners could keep a # 1 or 2 Wr from making some big plays in single coverage even without all the other resonsibilites that taylor has ! With a pass rush ,,, he is ending his season in Hawii !

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i hate the cowboys as much as the next guy, but.. hasn't Roy Williams made the pro bowl? yes, i do think he is a tad over rated, and he isn't very good in coverage. but part of his game is part of Sean Taylors game, fear and pain

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I regret having gone back to this thread. Playing the race card when talking about Vick is arguably the dumbest recurring theme we've had on this board the past couple of years.

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How can anyone think Sean Taylor is over rated? Sean Taylor does a good job in coverage, but our CB's are NOT doing their jobs forcing Taylor to be everywhere. It doesn't matter how good you are, it's a team sport. Everyone needs everyone to play well or it just won't work right.
Sean Taylor is the best safety in the league, bar none.

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resounding yes to both, though I love sean taylors ability to cause fumbles, he gets burned far to often in coverage for someone of his quality. I'm hoping things improve with springs back...its no big deal about rogers broken thumb...maybe the extra padding will make him better...not like he could catch the ball anyway.

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[quote=Mattyk72;227217]Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.[/quote]

If you have the nuts to say Vick is overrated then have the nuts to say that, he's playing like this years MVP and now we know he can throw, what you gone do, now.....state he's speed is overrated, his agility is overrated..........whats next.......his feet is overrated..., as I figured, you all here to tear him down, but no love for standing in the pocket and playing the (traditional way) :vomit:, if he keep playing at this rate....there be no more positions left....for yall to brag aboout....

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Vick has been overrated until this year. Even at the start of this year he wasn't a great QB. He had the worst completion rate on deep passes until just a couple of weeks ago. He's gotten better as a QB this year (thanks to Bill Musgrave!) but it doesn't take away from the fact that he's been overrated.

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[quote=TAFKAS;236522]Vick has been overrated until this year. Even at the start of this year he wasn't a great QB. He had the worst completion rate on deep passes until just a couple of weeks ago. He's gotten better as a QB this year (thanks to Bill Musgrave!) but it doesn't take away from the fact that he's been overrated.[/quote]

you mean he wasn't a white QB, I dont have to play the race, because most of yall racism show on this site,.....to be honest what you white boys want to say is Vick dont play like the White QB in the league, but he don't have to, because this is the last position in the league, that your desperatly holding on too.......so hold long as you can.....it happen in basketball, it happen in every other postion on the field of football, it happen in golf, no black athlete should have to keep proven his worth, because if you run a 3-4 defense, you can beat the hell out of your hero Manning....because, he get's daised and confused..... its just like saying Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time......of alltime when all whiteboys was allowed to play the game....yea, but when they played the negro league...they got there ass.....whooped......, anyone understand that word......ASS and Whooped.....so funny to me...... be honest, Vick is changing the game of football, like, Texas Western did when they beat Kentucky......when 5 black atheletes beat the all white squad....so dont give me the bullshit anymore about, race, because....that what this world is full of..........racist bastards, who try to pretend that there not.......when they are........talent is talent, i can say, the truths about sports, 5 white boys will never start in a NBA game again in life and there will never be a white running back in the league that is a probowler and there is no such thing as a white cornerback in the NFL all of this is true, not racist, the racist thing is when you try to compare Vick to Manning or Brady......those are great QB's, but Vick can become a better passer, can they become better atheletes..........Hell No!!!!!

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[QUOTE=BMF21;236535]you mean he wasn't a white QB, I dont have to play the race, because most of yall racism show on this site,.....to be honest what you white boys want to say is Vick dont play like the White QB in the league, but he don't have to, because this is the last position in the league, that your desperatly holding on too.......so hold long as you can.....it happen in basketball, it happen in every other postion on the field of football, it happen in golf, no black athlete should have to keep proven his worth, because if you run a 3-4 defense, you can beat the hell out of your hero Manning....because, he get's daised and confused..... its just like saying Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time......of alltime when all whiteboys was allowed to play the game....yea, but when they played the negro league...they got there ass.....whooped......, anyone understand that word......ASS and Whooped.....so funny to me...... be honest, Vick is changing the game of football, like, Texas Western did when they beat Kentucky......when 5 black atheletes beat the all white squad....so dont give me the bullshit anymore about, race, because....that what this world is full of..........racist bastards, who try to pretend that there not.......when they are........talent is talent, i can say, the truths about sports, 5 white boys will never start in a NBA game again in life and there will never be a white running back in the league that is a probowler and there is no such thing as a white cornerback in the NFL all of this is true, not racist, the racist thing is when you try to compare Vick to Manning or Brady......those are great QB's, but Vick can become a better passer, can they become better atheletes..........Hell No!!!!![/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about? Why do you have to drag race into it every time. This is why people think you're one of the worst members on this board. Because you're an idiot. Not a black idiot. Just an idiot. Yeah I know, I shouldn't make a personal attack and I apologize for it. But you keep calling everyone racist, and for no reason at all. Vick is compared to Manning and Brady because they're all QBs in the NFL.

You know I don't want to uneccesarily drag Saden into this, but why can't you be more like him. He doesn't belittle real racial issues by pulling that card into every argument.

I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say it's extremely offensive for you to collectively accuse us of racism anytime we disagree with you. Oh and FYI, I'm not white.

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BMF21,

For a guy who sees racism everywhere, it's amazing that you can't see the racism in your own statements. By the way, just like TAFKAS, I'm not a white boy either. So, before you start accusing everyone of being a racist white boy, do a little homework.

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Well, I am a white boy, and I still think BMF21 is an idiot.

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[quote=onlydarksets;236598]Well, I am a white boy, and I still think BMF21 is an idiot.[/quote]

oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............

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isn't this site....for stating your opinion. well if it doesnt apply to you dont sweat it.......but if i does.................

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[QUOTE=BMF21;236602]oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............[/QUOTE]

You're comparing that, which I think everyone would agree was completely inappropriate, to us saying Vick is overrated? What about everyone saying bench Brunell, and start Campbell? Explain the racism there.

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[QUOTE=BMF21;236603]isn't this site....for stating your opinion. well if it doesnt apply to you dont sweat it.......but if i does.................[/QUOTE]

Stating your opinion is one thing. Making a blanket accusation that we're all racist is completely different

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[quote=TheBigD;227203]first I just want to say that this is not to compare Taylor to Williams.

With that said, I think those two players are over-rated. The media and fans have gotten into their heads and made them think HARDEST HIT = WIN.

I see that both players get burnned, and when you are somone of Taylor's and Williams talent it shouldn't happen to you that badly.

I mean the game against the Jaguars Taylor put a vicious hit on the receiver but the guy still held on to the ball for a TD. In the game against the Eagles Williams gave up two huge plays because he is looking for the big hit.

My question then, are they really over-rated or are they playing the wrong positions?[/quote]

I've been a supporter of moving Taylor to SS in which case getting Adam was a bad move. To me, Taylor is almost a LB and like Chicago converting Erlacker (sp), we should at a min. move Taylor to SS where he can lay the wood. Take Vincent if he has the speed, or Rogers if Knight starts or Knight is Rogers starts, and move them to FS.

CB - Spring
CB - Roger/Knight
SS - Taylor
FS - Knight/Rogers

Then you have Ruff, and Vincent for dime and nickel packages.

DE-Wynn - Carter on 3rd or rushing downs
DT-Grif
DT-Salava
DE-Daniels

LB - Marcus
LB - Marshall
LB - McIntosh/Campbell

You could even line up Taylor as an LB and bring in Adam on all out blitz packages. Offenses would be freaked seeing that line up.

This defensive line up feels a lot better to me then what we have seen.

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Tafkas is right. Lets be real,Vick has been overrated. Real talk!

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[QUOTE=hands11;236608]I've been a supporter of moving Taylor to SS in which case getting Adam was a bad move. To me, Taylor is almost a LB and like Chicago converting Erlacker (sp), we should at a min. move Taylor to SS where he can lay the wood. Take Vincent if he has the speed, or Rogers if Knight starts or Knight is Rogers starts, and move them to FS.

CB - Spring
CB - Roger/Knight
SS - Taylor
FS - Knight/Rogers

Then you have Ruff, and Vincent for dime and nickel packages.

DE-Wynn - Carter on 3rd or rushing downs
DT-Grif
DT-Salava
DE-Daniels

LB - Marcus
LB - Marshall
LB - McIntosh/Campbell

You could even line up Taylor as an LB and bring in Adam on all out blitz packages. Offenses would be freaked seeing that line up.

This defensive line up feels a lot better to me then what we have seen.[/QUOTE]


knight? do you mean wright? rogers wont be playing safety i dont think

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;227207]I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).[/quote]


why doesnt anyone remember walt harris.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3594]NFL.com - Walt Harris[/url]

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I think Roy Williams is overrated. He can't cover as well as Taylor. In fact he can't cover at all. He's the one who always seems to get burned. Maybe they should move him to outside backer. The only thing Roy Williams will be known for is that damn "horse collar" tackle that's never called! Sean Taylor is the best safety in the league. It's gonna be hell to pay when it's time to resign him!

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[quote=Big C;236611]knight? do you mean wright? rogers wont be playing safety i dont think[/quote]

your right. I meant wright not knight.

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[quote=BMF21;236602]oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............[/quote]

But, you just don't make any ......... sense.

There is enough racism out there that you don't need to make stuff up. And, unfortunately, when you do call people racist for no reason, that makes you part of the problem.

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[quote=hands11;236613]why doesnt anyone remember walt harris.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3594"]NFL.com - Walt Harris[/URL][/quote]

Harris is having a great season in San Fran, but he was marginal here. He was great at missing tackles, though, which seems to have spread to the rest of the team.

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[QUOTE=BMF21;236602]oh I care, like know one notice it.....when the other day some whiteboy called Mutombo a monkey, yall pretend like it dont exist........I dont, and I can care less if I'm popular on here or not......sorry but ass kiss is yall business..............[/QUOTE]

Has anyone on this site denied that racism exists? I didn't think so, so quit making things up.

You have NO basis for saying that ANYONE on this site is racist. You have shown no link at all between saying Vick is overrated and racism. Prior to this season, many on this site said Urlacher was overrated but you didn't see people lashing out and saying "yall blackboys are racist."

Oh, and you're not exactly endearing yourself to people when you tell everyone that ass kissing is our business. If ass kissing is our business, then making ignorant and unsupported allegations are yours.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;236623]Has anyone on this site denied that racism exists? I didn't think so, so quit making things up.

You have NO basis for saying that ANYONE on this site is racist. You have shown no link at all between saying Vick is overrated and racism. Prior to this season, many on this site said Urlacher was overrated but you didn't see people lashing out and saying "yall blackboys are racist."

Oh, and you're not exactly endearing yourself to people when you tell everyone that ass kissing is our business. If ass kissing is our business, then making ignorant and unsupported allegations are yours.[/quote]


Come on guys, drop it. I just came over here from the Extreme Skins site in hopes that I would find a more mature crowd. At least let me live in my dream world for a day.

Last I checked people come here to talk about the Skins, not racism.

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[QUOTE=hands11;236627]Come on guys, drop it. I just came over here from the Extreme Skins site in hopes that I would find a more mature crowd. At least let me live in my dream world for a day.

Last I checked people come here to talk about the Skins, not racism.[/QUOTE]

You are correct sir. We are here to talk about the Redskins and, more generally, professional football. But this site has a ZERO tolerance policy for racist statements. Accordingly, we take allegations of racism very seriously. I wish we didn't have to address the issue, but BMF21 has forced our hands.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;236630]You are correct sir. We are here to talk about the Redskins and, more generally, professional football. But this site has a ZERO tolerance policy for racist statements. Accordingly, we take allegations of racism very seriously. I wish we didn't have to address the issue, but BMF21 has forced our hands.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.[/quote]

forced....choice words

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[QUOTE=BMF21;236633]forced....choice words[/QUOTE]

Drop it and move on or stand to lose any posting privileges. We're not going to go into this issue anymore - it's a total waste of time.

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[QUOTE=BMF21;236535]you mean he wasn't a white QB, I dont have to play the race, because most of yall racism show on this site,.....to be honest what you white boys want to say is Vick dont play like the White QB in the league, but he don't have to, because this is the last position in the league, that your desperatly holding on too.......so hold long as you can.....it happen in basketball, it happen in every other postion on the field of football, it happen in golf, no black athlete should have to keep proven his worth, because if you run a 3-4 defense, you can beat the hell out of your hero Manning....because, he get's daised and confused..... its just like saying Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time......of alltime when all whiteboys was allowed to play the game....yea, but when they played the negro league...they got there ass.....whooped......, anyone understand that word......ASS and Whooped.....so funny to me...... be honest, Vick is changing the game of football, like, Texas Western did when they beat Kentucky......when 5 black atheletes beat the all white squad....so dont give me the bullshit anymore about, race, because....that what this world is full of..........racist bastards, who try to pretend that there not.......when they are........talent is talent, i can say, the truths about sports, 5 white boys will never start in a NBA game again in life and there will never be a white running back in the league that is a probowler and there is no such thing as a white cornerback in the NFL all of this is true, not racist, the racist thing is when you try to compare Vick to Manning or Brady......those are great QB's, but Vick can become a better passer, can they become better atheletes..........Hell No!!!!![/QUOTE]

Oh come on man, Vick can't hold McNabb's jock strap let alone be on the same level as Manning. No doubt Vick is talented, mostly with his feet, but he can't throw for shit 50% of the time. That my friend is reality. There are at least 8 QBs I would take before Vick simply because they can throw, and throw accurately. Also keep in mind the longevity of a running back in the NFL...it's not pretty. A running QB's shelf life is much shorter than a pocket QB. Plus, why the hell would I want Payton Manning to become a better Athlete? Who the hell in their right mind would want Manning running around?

As for basketball, well, 31% all players drafted last year have been international players. Those white boys in Easter European ghettos are playing b-ball too. Granted they won't be flying high and jamming from sky high but they know how to play. They can shoot, they can dribble, and they know the Xs and Os. Why do you think they beat those "super star" NBA ballers in the Olympics and the World Championships?

This isn't a black and white thing...It's about talent. If you can play you get a contract. Race will always be an issue to some extent but I think Martin Luther King's dream is being realized now more so than ever. More and more teams are looking into a player's character than the color of their Skin. Not too many people wants a highly talented asshole on their team whether he is black or white.

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Well put.

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Vick has looked great the last few days, but I want to see this consistantly from him before I buy in that his arm is better. I was a huge Vick fan when he went to tech, and really hoped he'd transition to the pros. If I want to see exciting, I put Vick in a class with Barry Sanders, but if I'm choosing a QB for my team, I'm picking passing over scrambles. Someone with enough to keep the play alive, but with an arm!

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Vick always has spurs of brilliance like this, and then he runs into a defensive scheme he can't handle, and suddenly he spirals downward. He's very fun to watch, but if the atlanta D wasnt so solid every year, they would never make the playoffs.