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[quote=djnemo65;227657]This thread really encapsulates the main disagreement which has sort of been the theme of this website since I joined - whether fans should be openly critical of their team or should try to be more supportive, even when things aren't gong so well. I think it's great that we have both kind of people here. Often, when I think things can't get any worse, I'll hop on hear and read a post from one of the optimists and think, well, our backs are against the walls but maybe we do have a shot still.

The problem I have is with pompous fans on this board and elsewhere who act like, because they refuse to brook any negative thoughts concerning the team, they are somehow superior fans. That's garbage. I've flip flopped on my opinion of this team about four times this season already, but that doesn't make me a fairweather fan. A fairweather fan is one of these so called Eagles fans, who when Mcnabb goes down and needs surgery decides they will go play golf on sundays for the rest of the season. Now the team is winning they are hooting and hollering again. A fairweather fan is someone who, when things get bad, stops watching. That's not me, and I don't think that's most people here. When people say some of our fans are too negative, well, that's what happens when you suck for over a decade. But you know what? During that team we didn't have one game that wasn't a sellout, and I know I didn't miss a game. Not many other teams can say that.

Also, there has repeatedly been a suggestion on this site that somehow people want the Skins to fail, and I am directing this at whoever wrote that ridiculous post claiming that even if Brunell played great people would still attack him (an argument which has been made in some form for over 2 years now). People criticize Brunell because he frequently plays terrible. I actually think Skins nation is relatively easy on him, when you consider the rest of the country thinks he can't even play NFL football anymore. So look, when the Skins play like crap and get dominated in a game they are supposed to be equipeed to win, or at lests COMPETE in, don't expect everyone to act like everything is okay. But we sign on here, we share ideas, and no matter what, we are closer as fans. That's how it should work.[/quote]
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[COLOR=black]My point with trying to be POSTIVE is that when we win everyone is happy and all they can talk about is how great we are, but when we lose a lot of you guys throw in the towel and start beating up the coaches and the QB. It's silly. I mean, there will be ups and downs along the way and I'm just one of those people that likes to think we'll pull it out in the end. As for suggesting you are "bad fans" if you are negative ... that is just my way of lighting fire under you guys and making you check yourself so you don't get too negative. It's all in good fun, and at the end of the day I only want to support the Skins that I love so much!! [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR]

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[quote=GTripp0012;227672][B]And the schedule gets much easier from there on out.[/B]

13-3 is still the target. 12-4 is more realistic.[/quote]


10/22@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/FAJDAOBKPBBG/colts-sked-sm.jpg[/IMG] [B]Colts 5-0 [/B]
11/5vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/cowboys.gif[/IMG] [B]Cowboys 2-2[/B]
11/12@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/eagles.gif[/IMG] [B]Eagles 4-1[/B]
11/19@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/buccaneers.gif[/IMG] [B]Buccaneers 0-5[/B]
11/26vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/panthers.gif[/IMG] [B]Panthers 3-2[/B]
12/3vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/falcons.gif[/IMG] [B]Falcons 3-1[/B]
12/10vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/eagles.gif[/IMG] [B]Eagles 4-1[/B]
12/17@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/KBEPILLKPBBG/SAIMARKC2222.jpg[/IMG] [B]Saints 4-1[/B]
12/24@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/rams.gif[/IMG] [B]Rams 4-1[/B]
12/30vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/giants.gif[/IMG] [B]Giants 2-2[/B]

Yeah... cakewalk. Come on you negative ninnys. 11-0 or 10-1 at the worst, is entirely possible.

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[quote=Southpaw;227777]10/22@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/FAJDAOBKPBBG/colts-sked-sm.jpg[/IMG] [B]Colts 5-0 [/B]
11/5vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/cowboys.gif[/IMG] [B]Cowboys 2-2[/B]
11/12@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/eagles.gif[/IMG] [B]Eagles 4-1[/B]
11/19@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/buccaneers.gif[/IMG] [B]Buccaneers 0-5[/B]
11/26vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/panthers.gif[/IMG] [B]Panthers 3-2[/B]
12/3vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/falcons.gif[/IMG] [B]Falcons 3-1[/B]
12/10vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/eagles.gif[/IMG] [B]Eagles 4-1[/B]
12/17@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/KBEPILLKPBBG/SAIMARKC2222.jpg[/IMG] [B]Saints 4-1[/B]
12/24@ [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/rams.gif[/IMG] [B]Rams 4-1[/B]
12/30vs. [IMG]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/graphics/perm/main/PLHPJJIJPBBG/giants.gif[/IMG] [B]Giants 2-2[/B]

Yeah... cakewalk. Come on you negative ninnys. 11-0 or 10-1 at the worst, is entirely possible.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Sarcasm does not become you, Southpaw![/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

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The good news about those teams is that there are a few of them who have misleading records. Buccaneers will be bad without Simms. Falcons are as inconsistent as we are. Saints and Rams aren't what their records say they are. If we can beat the remaining teams in our division at home, steal one at Philly, we should be able to handle the rest of the NFC.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;227783]The good news about those teams is that there are a few of them who have misleading records. Buccaneers will be bad without Simms. Falcons are as inconsistent as we are. Saints and Rams aren't what their records say they are. If we can beat the remaining teams in our division at home, steal one at Philly, we should be able to handle the rest of the NFC.[/quote]

Thanks Malcolm... you made me smile! :)

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Anytime, and seriously, if we can take care of our business at home, I feel totally confident in us being able to HOPEFULLY steal one in Philly, and hopefully pull off wins against NO, St. Louis and Tampa Bay away. If the conditions are right for us to upset them, they most definitely are now barring injury to our guys.

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Our toughest game this year is going to be away against Philly. We win that one, we're going to take HUGE momentum going down the stretch. Remember, Philly always has people injured and McNabb seems to be the only constant for them right now. If we can get totally healthy on both sides of the ball, they're prime for the plucking up in Philly.

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Parity is Here! The only team I look at and think we are POSSIBLY outmatched is Indy, and they are not the same with the exodus of EJ to AZ. Our secondary, at the moment may be our achilles with them. To a man, we hang our heads to NO ONE on that list. To date, however, we have obviously not played like it consistently. We'll see how much heart the team has. They did last year

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;227786]Anytime, and seriously, if we can take care of our business at home, I feel totally confident in us being able to HOPEFULLY steal one in Philly, and hopefully pull off wins against NO, St. Louis and Tampa Bay away. If the conditions are right for us to upset them, they most definitely are now barring injury to our guys.[/quote]

***[B]Bad Fan Alert[/B]*** [I]Do Not Read if You Have Unrelenting Optimism[/I]

I agree that Washington is superior to some of the 4-1 teams on paper, but the problem is Washington played far better football last season, and only managed to go 10-6. They even lost to the hapless Raiders and tried to give another one away to the Cardinals. There has not been one season since 1992, where Washington has beaten every team they [B]should[/B] beat. They've already lost one of the games they should've won this year. So while they should be able to beat Tampa Bay, St. Louis, New Orleans, Atlanta, and the Giants and Cowboys at home, at least a couple of those games will result in a loss.

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Oh, I don't deny that at all. I'm just saying that if both teams play up to their potential in each one of those games, there's only a couple of those that might result in a loss. If I'm looking at losses realistically, I'm thinking we lose to the Colts, Eagles away and Rams away for the rest of the year.

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[quote=Southpaw;227805]***[B]Bad Fan Alert[/B]*** [I]Do Not Read if You Have Unrelenting Optimism[/I]

[I]At least REAL FANS post more than BAND FANS.... ;)[/I]

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[quote=Southpaw;227805]***[B]Bad Fan Alert[/B]*** [I]Do Not Read if You Have Unrelenting Optimism[/I]

I agree that Washington is superior to some of the 4-1 teams on paper, but the problem is Washington played far better football last season, and only managed to go 10-6. They even lost to the hapless Raiders and tried to give another one away to the Cardinals. There has not been one season since 1992, where Washington has beaten every team they [B]should[/B] beat. They've already lost one of the games they should've won this year. So while they should be able to beat Tampa Bay, St. Louis, New Orleans, Atlanta, and the Giants and Cowboys at home, at least a couple of those games will result in a loss.[/quote]


That's why they play the game

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[quote=hesscl34;227808][I]At least REAL FANS post more than BAND FANS.... ;)[/I][/quote]

Someone didn't pay attention to my disclaimer. :nono:

And if half of my posts consisted of "I have Faith, HAIL Gibbs!!!" my post count would probably be a lot higher too. :tongue

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[quote=Southpaw;227814]Someone didn't pay attention to my disclaimer. :nono:

And if half of my posts consisted of "I have Faith, HAIL Gibbs!!!" my post count would probably be a lot higher too. :tongue[/quote]

It's "I have Faith. HAIL SKINS"... get it right!

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[quote=hesscl34;227822]It's "I have Faith. HAIL SKINS"... get it right![/quote]

Nice work

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Why do we even talk about games we will probably lose? This team can not afford another lose! If you guys haven't noticed, our record is not looking very good right now, compared to other teams. If they want to go the playoffs, they need to win their division. The wild card looks to be out of the question.

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[quote=4mrusmc;227914]Why do we even talk about games we will probably lose? This team can not afford another lose! If you guys haven't noticed, our record is not looking very good right now, compared to other teams. If they want to go the playoffs, they need to win their division. The wild card looks to be out of the question.[/quote]

You are talking about the obvious...

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[quote=4mrusmc;227914]Why do we even talk about games we will probably lose? This team can not afford another lose! If you guys haven't noticed, our record is not looking very good right now, compared to other teams. If they want to go the playoffs, they need to win their division. The wild card looks to be out of the question.[/quote]
Wildcard out of the question?...When did they reduce the # of games to ten?
If "THEY"........"THEY" need to win...srry... I never refer to skins as they, only we. Maybe you will say we or us when we are 6-4 and sunny skies?..ughhh

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You tell'em Alvin!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;227368]Less talent? I don't know.

They have the better quarterback, adequate receivers, a good enough line, and they have a tremendous lineup on defense.

I'd say on paper, the Skins and Eagles are about even. On the field though ...[/QUOTE]

It stops at the QB plain and simple. The Eagles have a far superior QB to us, even though he chokes in big games. O-lines are about the same, our receivers and RB are better. Yet, their offense is as smooth as it gets, and ours is erratic.

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[quote=hurrykaine;227975]It stops at the QB plain and simple. The Eagles have a far superior QB to us, even though he chokes in big games. O-lines are about the same, our receivers and RB are better. Yet, their offense is as smooth as it gets, and ours is erratic.[/quote]




All very good points.....The QB is where the offense TRULY begins. Yes, running the ball is very much a part of Redskin football, but eventually you will have to throw and make big plays. This year, McNabb's status as a choke artist has been downgraded from Drew Bledsoe status to just above Kobe status....he is playing like the champion he knopws he can be. Now, if fucking MB would just realize that he could also be great and its ok to play like you know you can, then we'd be fine. I dont see a change in QB helping us though. Given, if Brunell gets hurt and JC plays, it will an entirely diff ball club, and I dont think it would be for the better to change in the middle of the season. Mark is our QB. Period. JC is the FUTURE.....look at Philip Rivers! He rode for 2, maybe 3 years and he ( in my opinion) is great. I think JC could turn out the same way, he just needs to age like a fine wine, thats all......

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Hesscl, where are you Mr. Positivity?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;229223]Hesscl, where are you Mr. Positivity?[/QUOTE]

No need to rub it in her or anyone else's face. i gave her crap for being the really optimistic type, but I probably shouldn't have. There is nothing wrong with having a little faith in your team.

(Oh, BTW, Hess isn't a "Mr.")

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If there were any positives, I would stop the negative!
I guess Nick the Kick was 2-2 in extra points. There, I found a positive.

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Yep, we pretty much blew it today. Our D totally let us down and out O line was off again. Not much to say other than I'm sad, it sucks, and I feel terrible for Joe Gibbs..... :(

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"the positive here, if there is, is that we are all togeather. offense, defense, and special teams"-joe gibbs

that isn't a positive if all three categories get man handled!

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[quote=hesscl34;229240]Yep, we pretty much blew it today. Our D totally let us down and out O line was off again. Not much to say other than I'm sad, it sucks, and I feel terrible for Joe Gibbs..... :([/quote]

Your doin' a good job H!. I feel bad for Joe as well. I feel bad for the fans, as they look like team in total disarray. Nobody wants to feel like this. The media is spinning us like the Raiders evil, loser twin. We are not successful in any arena at this time. I feel sad, and it is time to move on.
I personally am not interested in trying to "make a good showing". We are not really going to be a threat to any serious contender. I am for evaluating what and who works, and doesn't. Get a gameplan in place for the offseason to release, trade, cajol, conjur, incant, charm the necessary changes to make a run at something other than the NFC basement. Get Jason Campbell in the game to get some experience. If your Texan's fan, you know you are supposed to suck. We have no more excuses. I personally am tired of searching for them

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AMEN! HAIL from Nashville!

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You know you can't pour syrup on SHIT and call it pancakes! HAIL from Nashville!

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BUMP! Let's get this to the top so we all can love our Skins and hope for the best on Sunday!!!!!!!!!

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You guys think we have it bad????

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Personally I wish he was still the Giants Head Coach.

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[quote=hesscl34;227404]You guys blow. We have the same defense.. it's just in an upset without Springs. HOWEVER, if Springs returns.. as he did in practice today... I have a STONG feeling I'll be feeding you all some CROW for Thanksgiving![/quote]

-walt harris is gone and having a field day in SF. not that he was all that good, but as vet min depth he'd be useful right now.
-ryan clark is gone and doing very well for pittsburg on the cheap.
-lavar is gone and warrick "worse than a trash can" holdman is starting in his place (no, lavar's nothing but average right now, but when we went on that 5-0 run, guess who played well and started every single game?)
-prioleau is on IR
-springs hasn't really played
-DT injuries forced low round rookies into the lineup... and while golston has been okay, he's not griffin.

we have wright, rumph, archuleta, carter, holdman, and golston playing which are all downgrades from last year, not to mention rogers subbing for springs. there's NO WAY you go from 9th to 28th due to just one guy.

springs coming back is a good thing. vincent at 35 and vet min is probably still better than archuleta, and he should finally give our skins SOME kind of safety coverage. I wish we had moved on buchannon (maybe we did and lost), cause he could really help. He's from the U, but he doesn't like to tackle, so GW may not have even bothered to make the call.

I would like to see vincent and springs in the lineup ASAP, as well as more mcintosh and posey and less holdman. more healthy DTs, and more wynn. I'm tired of watching our defense try to play with 8-10 men most downs. carter takes himself out of too many plays, and holdman has a cloak of invisibility :( arch can't cover anything, and our CBs can only cover half the time.


that doesn't even cover the lack of running in play calls or inconsistant play from brunell and co... just a bit bummed cause i'm having a hard time figuring out how we can go 8-2 over the last ten games with this schedule.