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[quote=jdlea;232226]I'm pretty sure they don't pull Brunell because even at 2-5 somehow it won't be obvious that the season is done. There will be no 8 and 1 finish for them. They're a bad football team. However, Gibbs said yesterday he doesn't think pulling Brunell would help, so as long as he thinks that, he's gonna leave him in. That makes me think we might not see Campbell this season. I think Joe is smarter than that, but we'll see.[/quote]
he was 3-6 when gibbs pulled him in '04

now we're 2-5, which is worse, and we have a bye next week...this is the perfect time to get this bum out of here

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Did anyone catch Gibbs' postgame comments where he said he didn't even "want to think about [starting Campbell]" and that Brunell played great?

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I am really surprised by that comment!

Why does Gibbs like Brunell so fricken much?

I mean Brunell has great hair but c'mon, you know?

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When they are mathematically eliminated....maybe.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;232406]When they are mathematically eliminated....maybe.[/QUOTE]

Maybe????? What possible reason could you have for saying that Brunell shouldn't be benched when we are mathematically eliminated? He's 36 and certainly isn't part of our future.

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Bench that sorry ass white boy!!!!! HAIL from MCUSA!

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He said maybe because Gibbs has a huge man crush on Brunell that blinds him from seeing what everyone else is seeing. I think Gibbs is a great coach and all, but he is definitely wrong on his decision to keep Brunell in there. I mean, I know i'm not the only one that saw Brunell throw to the nearest receiver on third down and come up short everytime. He threw the ball to Betts that one time even though he saw the defender that was gonna tackle him as soon as he got the ball there. That and Brunell is afraid to go deep. For once will Saunders ignore the fact that the situation doesn't call for it and just heave the ball down there?

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[QUOTE=Crat92;232425]Bench that sorry ass white boy!!!!! HAIL from MCUSA![/QUOTE]

No need for the whole "white boy" thing.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;232418]Maybe????? What possible reason could you have for saying that Brunell shouldn't be benched when we are mathematically eliminated? He's 36 and certainly isn't part of our future.[/quote]


Sheriff, you are arguing with the wrong person chief. If I was running the team, I would have ditched Brunell after year one.

I am saying that Gibbs may replace Brunell once they are mathematically eliminated. No sooner and he may even let the bible thumper finish the season.

I know this much. Jesus Christ can throw a 25 yard post....

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Sorry just frustrated! HAIL from MCUSA!

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;232432]Sheriff, you are arguing with the wrong person chief. If I was running the team, I would have ditched Brunell after year one.

I am saying that Gibbs may replace Brunell once they are mathematically eliminated. No sooner and he may even let the bible thumper finish the season.

I know this much. Jesus Christ can throw a 25 yard post....[/QUOTE]

Oh, okay. I was about to have a stroke.

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I figured out the answer to the question asked in the thread name. Jason Campbell will become the starting quarterback when he's a 14 year veteran that is declining with age and sucks when injured. That's when Joe Gibbs will think he's ready.

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[quote=mooby;232446]I figured out the answer to the question asked in the thread name. Jason Campbell will become the starting quarterback when he's a 14 year veteran that is declining with age and sucks when injured. That's when Joe Gibbs will think he's ready.[/quote]

Mooby,

My comment is on your signature. This is Joe's QB. Is he going to get pissed off at himself?

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[QUOTE=mooby;232446]I figured out the answer to the question asked in the thread name. Jason Campbell will become the starting quarterback when he's a 14 year veteran that is declining with age and sucks when injured. That's when Joe Gibbs will think he's ready.[/QUOTE]



WOW!!! I NEVER THOUGH OF IT LIKE THAT, BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...

THANKS, MOOBY, I NEEDED A LAUGH AND THAT STATEMENT YIELDED A GOOD ONE...

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[QUOTE=mooby;232446]I figured out the answer to the question asked in the thread name. Jason Campbell will become the starting quarterback when he's a 14 year veteran that is declining with age and sucks when injured. That's when Joe Gibbs will think he's ready.[/QUOTE]
lol - that's good! I mean, it's awful, 'cause it's true.

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Look, the Redskins are still in the playoff hunt until they lose seven or eight games. Jason Cambell willcome in at that time. Joe Gibbs is not an idiot. Brunnell cannot play defense and offense. They scored three touch downs in the third quarter. We dont have the talent in the secondary. We also dont have alot of talent on the defensive line, and we need a good weakside linbacker. Infact, we may need a better middle linebacker.

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[QUOTE=CPDAMAN;232513]Look, the Redskins are still in the playoff hunt until they lose seven or eight games. Jason Cambell willcome in at that time. Joe Gibbs is not an idiot. Brunnell cannot play defense and offense. They scored three touch downs in the third quarter. We dont have the talent in the secondary. We also dont have alot of talent on the defensive line, and we need a good weakside linbacker. Infact, we may need a better middle linebacker.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Brunell led us to ZERO second-half points until late in the game when it long was over. Campbell could have started out 2-5 and at least had seven games under his belt. Do you think a team playing like we are has any shot at the playoffs?

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You are right about they are not playing well, but thats hind site. His time will come, unless we have a miracle.

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[QUOTE=CPDAMAN;232548]You are right about they are not playing well, but thats hind site. His time will come, unless we have a miracle.[/QUOTE]

The saddest thing is that this is a Joe Gibbs-coached team that could only play half a game when the season was on the line. Add in all those personal fouls and unnecssary roughness calls, and there is no difference between the Steve Spurrier days and today.

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I don't know, Steve Spurrier had better records up until that last 5-11 season. Today's Redskins will be lucky if they win 4.

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[QUOTE=atomicnixon;232564]I don't know, Steve Spurrier had better records up until that last 5-11 season. Today's Redskins will be lucky if they win 4.[/QUOTE]

Good point, sad but true. The Redskins easily are the biggest disappointment of the NFL season to date.

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07;232555]The saddest thing is that this is a Joe Gibbs-coached team that could only play half a game when the season was on the line. Add in all those personal fouls and unnecssary roughness calls, and there is no difference between the Steve Spurrier days and today.[/QUOTE]
Saddly your right, during Joe's firsrt go around, I remember how renowned he was for the second half adjustments he would make. Anytime they would be losing, the announcers would comment on how good he was at half-time adjustments and more often-than-not the skins would play more inspired. What happened to that?

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;232572]Saddly your right, during Joe's firsrt go around, I remember how renowned he was for the second half adjustments he would make. Anytime they would be losing, the announcers would comment on how good he was at half-time adjustments and more often-than-not the skins would play more inspired. What happened to that?[/QUOTE]

completely. i remember thinking anything was possible after halftime back then, when Gibbs had time to think about things and make everything better. that feelings is opposite now, mostly because it's not that we're failing at the adjustments, but that they're aren't any adjustments at all. just more of the 3-out same.

i think the shorter halftimes has alot to do with it, but i also think Joe Gibbs may have been TOO humble in getting Al Saunders and not trusting his offense from last season. the one that got us in the playoffs.

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[quote=CPDAMAN;232513]Look, the Redskins are still in the playoff hunt until they lose seven or eight games. Jason Cambell willcome in at that time. Joe Gibbs is not an idiot. Brunnell cannot play defense and offense. They scored three touch downs in the third quarter. We dont have the talent in the secondary. We also dont have alot of talent on the defensive line, and we need a good weakside linbacker. Infact, we may need a better middle linebacker.[/quote]

Finally someone else realizes that we are weak at LB. Marshall is not as good as he was last year. Rocky needs some time and Holdman is a joke.

Here is my offseason checklist (yes, the season is officially over).

Sign a real GM and I only want a guy who will tell Napoleon to stick to marketing and tell Joe to stick to coaching.

IMO our draft should be 3 positions only not necessarily in this order. One LB (two if there is a "can't miss"), DL, and OL. That's it.

Free Agency: Sign a veteran QB (maybe Trent Green) to start or compete with Campbell. Sign a Corner maybe a cover safety. The only players they need on offense are linemen. I wouldn't even sign Betts to a big deal. Runningbacks grow on trees. No more big splashes unless it is a high profile corner, only quality depth and plenty of it.

If anyone is interested in a "Burn Brunell Jersey bonfire", let me know.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;232448]Mooby,

My comment is on your signature. This is Joe's QB. Is he going to get pissed off at himself?[/quote]


I've heard about times in Joe Gibbs' first reign when he would raise hell in the locker room at halftime and he wouldn't be afraid to call a player out to make him play better. I think it's time he stops babying the players and benches them when they don't play well. Maybe Joe Gibbs has magical glasses that make Brunell look like an all-pro. I'm just tired of the players getting a free ride.

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[quote=mooby;232617]I've heard about times in Joe Gibbs' first reign when he would raise hell in the locker room at halftime and he wouldn't be afraid to call a player out to make him play better. I think it's time he stops babying the players and benches them when they don't play well. Maybe Joe Gibbs has magical glasses that make Brunell look like an all-pro. I'm just tired of the players getting a free ride.[/quote]

Joe Gibbs the First was known to throw chairs during halftime. I think Joe Gibbs the Second has probably delegated this to someone else--maybe Bugel.

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If they lose to Dallas, I'd make the switch, barring Brunell setting some sort of single game passing record.

If they beat Dallas, they sit at 3-5, possibly 2.0 games out of first. With 8 games to play, and a team this talented in a division this close, it's too close to give up here at 2-5. The division leader is currently 4-3.

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[quote=GTripp0012;232627]If they lose to Dallas, I'd make the switch, barring Brunell setting some sort of single game passing record.

If they beat Dallas, they sit at 3-5, possibly 2.0 games out of first. With 8 games to play, and a team this talented in a division this close, it's too close to give up here at 2-5. The division leader is currently 4-3.[/quote]

He's inconsistant and he has no killer instinct. Someone mentioned the thumbs up... I remember when Jeff George was behind center and he had that grimace when he effed up... Brunell has that same thing... like it stings a little, but no big deal...

darn it... gonna lose again... at least I didn't throw an int...

And thats why the QB's who lack all of the physical gifts (Delhomme, Brees, Favre, etc...) excel, because they play with passion and want the game on their shoulders. They are playmakers. Brunell is a manager... not a playmaker. And he's not managing anything now....

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;232627]If they lose to Dallas, I'd make the switch, barring Brunell setting some sort of single game passing record.

If they beat Dallas, they sit at 3-5, possibly 2.0 games out of first. With 8 games to play, and a team this talented in a division this close, it's too close to give up here at 2-5. The division leader is currently 4-3.[/QUOTE]
Give it up. They have to go 8-1 the rest of the way to make it to the postseason

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[quote=CPDAMAN;232513]Look, the Redskins are still in the playoff hunt until they lose seven or eight games. Jason Cambell willcome in at that time. Joe Gibbs is not an idiot. Brunnell cannot play defense and offense. They scored three touch downs in the third quarter. We dont have the talent in the secondary. We also dont have alot of talent on the defensive line, and we need a good weakside linbacker. Infact, we may need a better middle linebacker.[/quote]

our MLB is fine, khary campbell (lemar's backup) played this game and he's terrible though. if we wanted a better MLB, then why didn't we pay pierce, who could not only play, but was already on the team and knew the defense? lemar is 30 right now and will need to be replaced at some point, but that's seriously not as important as QB, DL, OL, DB, or OLB.

with this defense, the playoff are already dead and gone.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;232418]Maybe????? What possible reason could you have for saying that Brunell shouldn't be benched when we are mathematically eliminated? He's 36 and certainly isn't part of our future.[/QUOTE]

I believe the question was when WILL JC be benched, not when SHOULD he be benched.

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I don't blame Brunell as much as some of you. He's looking good with the plays being called for him. He completes most of his passes and I saw him scramble out of trouble a LOT of times yesterday. His downfield passes to Cooley looked great too.

He's performing well for the plays being called. I have no clue why the coaching staff is sticking with the dumpoff passes and screens. I have no idea why we kicked a FG when down by 3 scores. It's not Brunell's fault though. He has proven that when he has to do deep for Moss or Lloyd, he can do it sucessfully...but those plays AREN'T being called! More evidence of bad playcalling...we faced the WORST run defense in the NFL and didn't run. That was our key to winning this game. Portis and Betts looked great when they ran the ball...but they didn't run enough! C'mon...12 rushes from CP, 10 from Betts...2 nice ones from Randel El (one would've been a great play if not for Jansen jumping offsides). I guess Gibbs never saw the stat about how unbeatable we are when we run 30+ times in a game.

Also, it was the defense's 3rd-quarter nap that lost the game for us. Maybe Indy was fired up about Manning almost being taken out of the game...but Peyton embarrassed us. But, with our patched-together emergency secondary...that was bound to happen.

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[QUOTE=Buster;232910]I don't blame Brunell as much as some of you. He's looking good with the plays being called for him. He completes most of his passes and I saw him scramble out of trouble a LOT of times yesterday. His downfield passes to Cooley looked great too.

He's performing well for the plays being called. I have no clue why the coaching staff is sticking with the dumpoff passes and screens. I have no idea why we kicked a FG when down by 3 scores. It's not Brunell's fault though. He has proven that when he has to do deep for Moss or Lloyd, he can do it sucessfully...but those plays AREN'T being called! More evidence of bad playcalling...we faced the WORST run defense in the NFL and didn't run. That was our key to winning this game. Portis and Betts looked great when they ran the ball...but they didn't run enough! C'mon...12 rushes from CP, 10 from Betts...2 nice ones from Randel El (one would've been a great play if not for Jansen jumping offsides). I guess Gibbs never saw the stat about how unbeatable we are when we run 30+ times in a game.

Also, it was the defense's 3rd-quarter nap that lost the game for us. Maybe Indy was fired up about Manning almost being taken out of the game...but Peyton embarrassed us. But, with our patched-together emergency secondary...that was bound to happen.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree with you here. When we win, we win as a team. When we lose, we lose as Brunell. That seems to be the thinking here. However, deserved or not, it's probably best that a change is made. Sometimes change just for the sake of change helps

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[QUOTE=Buster;232910]I don't blame Brunell as much as some of you. He's looking good with the plays being called for him. He completes most of his passes and I saw him scramble out of trouble a LOT of times yesterday. His downfield passes to Cooley looked great too.

He's performing well for the plays being called. I have no clue why the coaching staff is sticking with the dumpoff passes and screens. I have no idea why we kicked a FG when down by 3 scores. It's not Brunell's fault though. He has proven that when he has to do deep for Moss or Lloyd, he can do it sucessfully...but those plays AREN'T being called! More evidence of bad playcalling...we faced the WORST run defense in the NFL and didn't run. That was our key to winning this game. Portis and Betts looked great when they ran the ball...but they didn't run enough! C'mon...12 rushes from CP, 10 from Betts...2 nice ones from Randel El (one would've been a great play if not for Jansen jumping offsides). I guess Gibbs never saw the stat about how unbeatable we are when we run 30+ times in a game.[/QUOTE]

those passes aren't all designed as dump offs Buster, there are reciever options all over the field, but Brunell checks down to the easy safe pass way too often. instead of looking at who the blitz left open, Brunell reflex throws to his dump off.

Brunell isn't confident enough to throw quick precise passes with defenders nearby. much less on the run, which he USED to be able to do.

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[quote=TAFKAS;232913]I tend to agree with you here. When we win, we win as a team. When we lose, we lose as Brunell. That seems to be the thinking here. However, deserved or not, it's probably best that a change is made. Sometimes change just for the sake of change helps[/quote]

Yeah, honestly, I would really like to see Campbell get experience and get ready for a full season next year. He NEEDS experience. I wouldn't complain if JC starts in Week 9, but if he's asked to throw nothing but screen-passes...we won't be any better than with Brunell.

I'm just saying, Brunell is not the problem...he's doing what's asked of him by SAUNDERS.

Our defense (due to injuries and whatever else happened to them...lack of motivation?) and our offensive playcalling by Saunders are our main problems.

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[quote=illdefined;232916]those passes aren't all designed as dump offs Buster, there are reciever options all over the field, but Brunell checks down to the easy safe pass way too often. instead of looking at who the blitz left open, Brunell reflex throws to his dump off.

Brunell isn't confident enough to throw quick precise passes with defenders nearby. much less on the run, which he USED to be able to do.[/quote]

You're right that he's not the athlete he used to be...

A lot of the plays are quick dumpoffs though, like they're designed to be quick dumpoffs. That's why they're being buried by even bad defenses, they're too predictable. Brunell has shown us he CAN throw deep...but it's never being called.

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[quote=Buster;232919]Yeah, honestly, I would really like to see Campbell get experience and get ready for a full season next year. He NEEDS experience. I wouldn't complain if JC starts in Week 9, but if he's asked to throw nothing but screen-passes...we won't be any better than with Brunell.

I'm just saying, Brunell is not the problem...he's doing what's asked of him by SAUNDERS.

Our defense (due to injuries and whatever else happened to them...lack of motivation?) and our offensive playcalling by Saunders are our main problems.[/quote]
Totally agree...

Wish there was more of posts like this and less posts like:

"Oh COMON! you can't say brunell is doing NE thing! I mean WTF!???!?@?!?!? HE's SOOO OLD, gibbs won 3 sUPerboWls!!?!?!? WTF??? lol!!!!"