Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;238529]brunell's led us to 2-5 thusfar. losses are still losses. I'd rather JC gets experience, cause i DO NOT want to see brunell in 2007.[/QUOTE]

I'm just trying to look at it from a coaches perspective. Obviously the fans are ready for a change - fans are fickle. Things go south and we declare everyone should be fired and a new team put in place.

You've got to consider that, in general, football players/coaches learn from the Pop Warner days to fight and "never ever ever ever give up." It's a mentality that's ingrained from day one to win at any cost and never give up hope. Right now there is, mathematically speaking, still some hope left.

As hopeless and frustrating as this season feels to fans, [I]technically[/I] there's still a chance, and regardless of how remote it is they'll keep fighting with the best they've got (i.e. Brunell) until it's officially over.

At this point it's really about the mindset they've learned over the years and about character, as cheesy as that sounds.

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[QUOTE=mheisig;238484]I've got a pocket full of dreams I could sell you too.

Campbell is only going to provide a spark if he plays well, and particularly better than Brunell. Clearly the coaches don't see that in him yet.

What's far more likely than "providing a spark" is that you send in a QB who isn't ready for primetime and he takes this team lower than anyone thought we could go. That's way more damaging to morale than Brunell playing conservatively.[/QUOTE]



We are already lower than I thought we would go, so there's no place for us to go now but up. Joe Gibbs's opinion differs greatly from your aclaim, he has maintained on more than one ocasion he believes Campbell can win games for us now. If he's not ready to play, then let that be determined by his play on the field as opposed to one's opinion of his play before even having an opportunity to see him perform.

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[QUOTE=Longtimefan;238672]We are already lower than I thought we would go, so there's no place for us to go now but up. Joe Gibbs's opinion differs greatly from your aclaim, he has maintained on more than one ocasion he believes Campbell can win games for us now. If he's not ready to play, then let that be determined by his play on the field as opposed to one's opinion of his play before even having an opportunity to see him perform.[/QUOTE]

You're not thinking pessimistically enough if you think this is as low as things can go. Really, stretch your brain and picture some truly horrifying scenarios and you may feel a lot better about where we are.

I'd like to see some sources on your claims about Joe Gibbs' current opinion that Campbell can win games for us now, and in particular that Campbell can win more games than Brunell.

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[quote=mheisig;238677]You're not thinking pessimistically enough if you think this is as low as things can go. Really, stretch your brain and picture some truly horrifying scenarios and you may feel a lot better about where we are.

I'd like to see some sources on your claims about Joe Gibbs' current opinion that Campbell can win games for us now, and in particular that Campbell can win more games than Brunell.[/quote]He's right, we can go a lot lower. Without Brunell, this is a 1-6 team at best. 2-5 is quite disappointing, but changes for the sake of changes are only going to make us worse as a football team. I think we have to fix a lot of issues before we stuff the square peg that is Jason Campbell into the round hole that is our football team.

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[QUOTE=illdefined;237591]see 'not losing' only works if you have a DEFENSE (the baltimore example). if your defense is hurting, and woefully misstaffed as ours is this year, then the QB has to get the offense off 'not lose' mode, and actually lead it into 'WIN' mode.

'WIN' mode includes such uncharactisteric methods as lobbing the ball twice 50yds into the air over the middle to Santana Moss, with 4 minutes left in a game. against important divisional rivals such as DALLAS for instance..

you see 'WIN' goes a step further than 'not lose' (since we've been 'not losing' here steadily at 2-5). 'WIN' actually means 'MAKE the OTHER team lose' and is in fact the preferred method of GOOD TEAMS.[/QUOTE]

If we are just trying not to lose with our offense, which to me say's just don't turn the ball over, then why do we spend all this money on offensive weopons, kind of like building a race car and then pushing it around the track because your worried your driver might crash. You no what, GET ANOTHER DRIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[quote=offiss;238695]If we are just trying not to lose with our offense, which to me say's just don't turn the ball over, then why do we spend all this money on offensive weopons, kind of like building a race car and then pushing it around the track because your worried your driver might crash. You no what, GET ANOTHER DRIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
WOW!!! What a great way to put it Offiss!!..Maybe it's because Gibbs dragraced in the 60s? That is the best comparison i've seen on here.
Kudos!
Makes absolutely no sense, but what hell do we know right?

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[quote=GTripp0012;238683]He's right, we can go a lot lower. Without Brunell, this is a 1-6 team at best. 2-5 is quite disappointing, but changes for the sake of changes are only going to make us worse as a football team. I think we have to fix a lot of issues before we stuff the square peg that is Jason Campbell into the round hole that is our football team.[/quote]

i could say that without brunell this is a 7-0 team. there's no way to know until we can see what the other guy can or can't do.

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[QUOTE=mheisig;238677]You're not thinking pessimistically enough if you think this is as low as things can go. Really, stretch your brain and picture some truly horrifying scenarios and you may feel a lot better about where we are.

I'd like to see some sources on your claims about Joe Gibbs' current opinion that Campbell can win games for us now, and in particular that Campbell can win more games than Brunell.[/QUOTE]



I do believe what I said was we are already lower than I thought we would be at this point in the season based on the expectations we all had going in. I don't think there are many here who though we would be 2-5 after seven games. You're correct when you say I'm not thinking pessimistically enough because pessimism is not a point of contention. Had you taken the liberty to watch the Joe Gibbs show two weeks ago, George Michael asked Joe Gibbs about Campbell and the prospect of his playing at some point this season. Gibbs replied, and I [/QUOTE] " I talk to him all the time about it, we think the world of Jason and feel he can win games for us now" [UNQUOTE]. I am unable to provide you with a link because the quote was from a TV broadcast but I'm sure there are other witnesses amoung us. He, nor I said Campbell can/will win more games than Brunell, but many of us are of the opinion that he can't do much worse. What was horrifying was the 2-14 season we suffered the year Gibbs retired, that was the worst since the sixteen game season was introduced. Believe me I've witnessed far worse than what we see now, before Vince Lombardi, George Allen, or Joe Gibbs. This team is good compared to some I've witnessed being here through the years.

Re: Reality check on Campbell
 

[quote=offiss;238695]If we are just trying not to lose with our offense, which to me say's just don't turn the ball over, then why do we spend all this money on offensive weopons, kind of like building a race car and then pushing it around the track because your worried your driver might crash. You no what, GET ANOTHER DRIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]Well, I think there are two correct ways to look at this, and neither mention Mark Brunell in any way. Number one is that we shouldn't have made the moves because they clash with our offensive style. Number two is that we play a safe style of offense, and it's our new additions that have allowed us to reach a respectable level of offensive production. Was it worth it to get BOTH Lloyd and Randle El? I never at any point thought it was. David Patten would have been more than capable as the no. 3 WR.

But something has caused us to improve offensively over last year. Either it was the additions, the new offense, the quarterback, or pure luck. Or the two quarters of garbage time weve had this year...which somehow didn't exist last year.