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Comparing Brunell to Manning is like comparing my manhood to Ron Jeremys. You'll only end up being embarrased.

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Brunell bashing after that win today is just stupid. Plain stupid.

If Campbell played and put up the same stat line we'd be crowning him as the king of DC.

Give it a rest bashers... seriously.

Let's just enjoy the win, it was a great one. I really don't want to spend this week discussing the same tired ass shit.

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I didn't read every thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned already. I think that Moss being out forced Saunders and Brunell to get the ball to LLoyd (who became a Redskin today) and also Thrash (who can still play) which made the offense look a lot better. We also now know that Cooley can be a threat over the middle in this offense. I think, especially on third downs, they were leaning too much on Santana.

What was great was the fact that Parcells was telling the NYT that the Redskins were now "horizontal" and they came out and were very "vertical" in their passing game. Thrash caught a couple right over the middle. I think Cooley did too, plus a drop. LLoyd had one. They need to at least try those looks every week. I'm talking about those 18 yard type throws.

Finally I voted great, although I would say he was between "good" and "great" in actuality. I rounded up for two reasons. No picks (although there were a couple close calls) and he had so much zip on his passes today. If you are determined to hate Brunell you can find things to hate about his play today, but an objective analysis has to say he was at least above average.

If I were a hater, I would be focusing on his inabilty to make plays on the move. He's still agile enough to buy time with his feet, but he doesn't do a lot with it. Case in point was the 3rd down where it looked like he could have run for it but threw it incomplete. Somebody should have been open at some point because that play took a while to develop. It surprises me that he is actually better standing in the pocket because I always think of him as a Steve Young type. At any rate he made the needed throws and he keeps his job a while longer, so all the haters may as well pipe down because we've heard all your tired ass arguments and Campbell will stay on the bench another week.

And, it may have appeared that Lloyd was open after his collision with Sellars, but trust me, that's not a pass you want your quarterback to throw. Sellars would have been wide open, but he went ass over elbows and Brunell had to eat it.

The fumble was somebody's fault but it's not clear whose. Could be Brunell, could be Rabach.

Romo is going to be a pain in the ass for years to come. Hopefully he has some massive unexposed weakness because he looked like Staubach today.

Sean Taylor is the best fumble-returner in the history of the league.

Arch is an embarrasment. They may as well start planning a way to dump him, even if it costs money because now he's costing us money and games.

I thought several Redsklins had their best games of the year:

Brandon Lloyd - I'm starting to believe in him. Previuosly I thought him
soft.
Ladell Betts - He had some big 3rd down conversions.

Carlos Rogers - Tackled well today.

Kenny Wright - Broke up some passes.

James Thrash - I would like to see him get some more balls.

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[quote=Mattyk72;239516]Brunell bashing after that win today is just stupid. Plain stupid.

If Campbell played and put up the same stat line we'd be crowning him as the king of DC.

Give it a rest bashers... seriously.

Let's just enjoy the win, it was a great one. I really don't want to spend this week discussing the same tired ass shit.[/quote]

Thank you Matty and goodnight!

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I think we should add another option to the poll... good.

I don't think he played great, but he did play good. Good enough to help win the game.

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Wins as a starter this year:
Brunell 3
Manning 7

Through 7 games
Brunell 1382 yds passing
Manning 1916 yds

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[quote=Stacks42;239523]Wins as a starter this year:
Brunell 3
Manning 7

Through 7 games
Brunell 1382 yds passing
Manning 1916 yds[/quote]YEEAAA a season comparison between Peyton Manning and Mark Brunell!!! WOOOO

What is so hard about my point? NO ONE IS COMPARING PEYTON MANNING TO MARK BRUNELL.

Todays YPA numbers were better than you would expect from the best QB in the NFL. That's my point. Better than ANYONE's average.

Roethlisberger's YPA today is off the hook right now. No one is going to confuse him for Peyton either.

The difference? Brunell wasn't picked twice. And we won.

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what a wacked poll. there's nothing between Great and Average? like....Good?
i'll say he was Great today, FOR HIM.

he FINALLY took some real shots down the middle of the field, and i really think that new and unexpected dimension (again, for him) made us competitive enough for the win.

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Brunell had a good game today. I thought he played a pretty decent game. Anyone complaining today should be shot on sight.

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[quote=Mattyk72;239516]Brunell bashing after that win today is just stupid. Plain stupid.

If Campbell played and put up the same stat line we'd be crowning him as the king of DC.

Give it a rest bashers... seriously.

Let's just enjoy the win, it was a great one. I really don't want to spend this week discussing the same tired ass shit.[/quote]

Yes I agree SHUT THE F*CK up brunell haters we won we just beat the cowgirls so shut the F up! good lord!

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As a Hater I will say he didn't play great but he played ok...And it's a win sooo ...I'll take it.... Props to him

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a win is a win... but the play calling seemed alot more in rhythm today

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;239329]he did pretty darn good w/o the teams #1 wr, a pretty non existent running game except for one play, and a mixture of dropped passes and bad calls nullifying completions. He did make a bad decision to try and force it into lloyd which luckily wasn't intercepted and could have run for a first down a couple times if he had his mentality of a few years ago, but he looked damn nice with a couple lasers 15+ yards down the field. I was just excited to see the offense making attempts down the field and look at what it resulted in with a few big catches and almost as many big penalties.[/quote]
Well said, I saw the same things.

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considering he had no running game he did well. I voted avg, but if I'd say he did good if I had thought about that simple fact...

Even though we did try to run the ball, its not like they really had to worry too much about us blowing them up on the ground, so they were preparing to see passes and they got them and we executed a few times...

for that he gets props this week. no question, but he's not above criticism by any means...

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[quote=RedskinRat;239441]If you're content with mundane then don't complain.

I'm not content with a back-up grade QB starting for the team I love.[/quote]

Well smarten' up. This was a hard fought win and they needed it. If you are looking for style points, you are a "fan" of the wrong team.


HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;239752]Well smarten' up. This was a hard fought win and they needed it. If you are looking for style points, you are a "fan" of the wrong team.


HAIL TO THE REDSKINS![/quote]

I agree. Nobody should have to apologize for their play after that huge win.

They won because of a great overall [U]team[/U] effort. That's what we should be talking about... not the play of [U]one[/U] guy for the millionth time.

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Washington Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
M. Brunell 14 23 192 60.9 8.3 1 9 1 0

He's a FA or a bench sitter in Fantasy!

I say he's horrible, at best he is below average!


Jason Campbell may not be all that, but he's got a better arm than MB, for sure!

I pulled for Sonny in the Sonny/Billy debate. Gus in the Heath/Gus debate. So, don't go by my choices if you think different.

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[quote=backrow;239768]Washington Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
M. Brunell 14 23 192 60.9 8.3 1 9 1 0

He's a FA or a bench sitter in Fantasy!

I say he's horrible, at best he is below average!


Jason Campbell may not be all that, but he's got a better arm than MB, for sure!

I pulled for Sonny in the Sonny/Billy debate. Gus in the Heath/Gus debate. So, don't go by my choices if you think different.[/quote]

If you were just flown in from being overseas, I will give you a free pass. If this was some attempt to make a coherent point, you failed miserably.

I am not a Brunell lover on any level and you can see that in my previous points. He was incredible today, if you don't belive me look at the body language on every play in the second half. He was as good as any QB in the league today.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;239773]He was incredible today.....[/quote]

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–adjective 1.so extraordinary as to seem impossible: incredible speed. 2.not credible; hard to believe; unbelievable: The plot of the book is incredible. The lack of skill this QB shows is incredible.

I'm shocked at how easily pleased the people on here are. Seriously, you act like he did something of mythical proportions. It wasn't in Dallas, it wasn't 13 points down with little time to go.

Please watch the game again with a clear head and critque him honestly.

Damn!

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I voted average.

He made some good throws and they won. His weaknesses were still glaringly on display though, can't handle any pressure (team consultant Ray Brown admitted this in a post-game interview), won't look at the # 2 receiver (Randle EL today), and underthrows the deep route badly.

We did not win this game because of Mark Brunell.

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[quote=RedskinRat;239780]Please watch the game again with a clear head and critque him honestly.[/quote]

Because you're really doing that, right? Please.

You ragged him for going into the fetal position on that sack today. Funny, because I saw Peyton Manning take a sack in the same exact way tonight.

Clear head and honest critique? I really hope you're joking.

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[quote=Jason72;239784]We did not win this game because of Mark Brunell.[/quote]

I don't think anyone is trying to say that.

I think we're spending way too much damn time talking about one guy. It's a shame because I thought it was a great team effort. Offense, defense and special teams all did their part today. That's how you win games in this league, not because of one guy.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;239773]If you were just flown in from being overseas, I will give you a free pass. If this was some attempt to make a coherent point, you failed miserably.

I am not a Brunell lover on any level and you can see that in my previous points. He was incredible today, if you don't belive me look at the body language on every play in the second half. He was as good as any QB in the league today.[/quote]
i love this. the grim one showing brunell some love

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–adjective 1.so extraordinary as to seem impossible: incredible speed. 2.not credible; hard to believe; unbelievable: The plot of the book is incredible. The lack of skill this QB shows is incredible.

I'm shocked at how easily pleased the people on here are. Seriously, you act like he did something of mythical proportions. It wasn't in Dallas, it wasn't 13 points down with little time to go.

Please watch the game again with a clear head and critque him honestly.

Damn![/quote]

Obvously you didn't watch today's game.

How many times in row did we lose to them in November? You know what, I don't care.

This win was so satisfying on so many levels. Anyone who isn't in la la land right now is really missing out.

THANK YOU LORD!

DELIVER US LORD!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;239787]I don't think anyone is trying to say that.

I think we're spending way too much damn time talking about one guy. It's a shame because I thought it was a great team effort. Offense, defense and special teams all did their part today. That's how you win games in this league, not because of one guy.[/QUOTE]

I felt obligated to start the thread because Brunell has been getting so much crap from people (myself included), that I felt his performance warranted a thread. By no means did I mean to indicate that he played like a Pro Bowler. But, I think he played very well.

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The funny thing is, not only did we win today, but we won against our arch rivals the Cowpukes...yet we still have people whinning like a bunch of cry babies. The team didn't play THAT good today...Brunell, Portis, OR the defense...but we won! Let's concentrate on the fact that WE FREAKIN' WON the ballgame.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;239800]I felt obligated to start the thread because Brunell has been getting so much crap from people (myself included), that I felt his performance warranted a thread. By no means did I mean to indicate that he played like a Pro Bowler. But, I think he played very well.[/quote]
The thing is, if we are going to have a thread about a certain players performance on the day, we need to actually discuss all aspects of it. Average is winning the poll and that's a fair assessment IMO. I was thrilled by several throws Mark made in the middle of the field today, but his weaknesses held us back at times once again.

We won, great. Brunell was solid, great. Are we going to need much more out of many of the players (including the QB) than they gave today in order to pile up some wins? Absolutely. We are aren't going to get breaks like we did today every week.

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people are just still pissed off cause this "superbowl contender" is still only 3-5 after stealing a win. this was the best overall effort this year, but we barely won, and our playoff hopes are still probably a pipe-dream since our fully healthy D still gave up 400 yards and we won't have tie breakers to get if we're tied in W-L records.

even with a win over dallas, the team is still a disappointment overall right now :/.

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yeah I'm on cloud nine after the win... and if we're watching the season just for one game at a time, I'm content until next sunday... but I still WANT to believe we're gonna be better than last year... we went out and made all of these improvements and come out sucking balls... it sucks overall to be a skins fan this YEAR, and we're gonna have that sinking feeling even after a compelling win like this...

Jason Campbell is like death to some people. Everyone knows its an inevitability, but some of us will hang on to the life support machine even though the coma's irreversible and the brain's dead, and when you get that glimmer of brain activity you think, "this has got to be better than death, because its not death..." but you have no Idea what death will be like, except that it will happen.

Coming out and asking opinions about brunell will bring about opinions about brunell... shoulda seen that coming...

He did well today and bought a pass, but Im not convinced that will be a good thing for the future of the team...

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–adjective 1.so extraordinary as to seem impossible: incredible speed. 2.not credible; hard to believe; unbelievable: The plot of the book is incredible. The lack of skill this QB shows is incredible.

I'm shocked at how easily pleased the people on here are. Seriously, you act like he did something of mythical proportions. It wasn't in Dallas, it wasn't 13 points down with little time to go.

Please watch the game again with a clear head and critque him honestly.

Damn![/QUOTE]


Um I dedicated a whole freaking thread for you and your ilk. Take the bashing over there

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;239812]The funny thing is, not only did we win today, but we won against our arch rivals the Cowpukes...yet we still have people whinning like a bunch of cry babies. The team didn't play THAT good today...Brunell, Portis, OR the defense...but we won! Let's concentrate on the fact that WE FREAKIN' WON the ballgame.[/QUOTE]

It'd be nice to come on to this site every now and then and just feel good with some fellow fans. But I guess that's just not possible

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Okay, for the record, I thought Brunell played a good game today from what I saw. I'll finalize my statement after watching the rerun that should definitely be on NFLN. But one thing i noticed, was even with Moss out, he still didn't look Randle El's or Lloyd's way a lot. Lloyd only caught two passes for 22 yards and Randle El didn't even have a catch.

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I don't think Mark Brunell did a single thing in this game that 20 other QBs in the league couldn't do. He did enough for us to win, but in all honesty, the Cowboys gave us this game. TO's dropped deep bomb, they dropped two potential interceptions, and obviously the field goal.

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[quote=TAFKAS;239852]It'd be nice to come on to this site every now and then and just feel good with some fellow fans. But I guess that's just not possible[/quote]

I think that's stretching things. I think all of us LOVED that game. I lost my voice from freaking out at the end (cause I was there).

But just speaking frankly, giving my opinion about Mark Brunell? He didn't lose it for us, so that's good. This thread has people saying he played like a pro bowler today. Um, no. But he didn't lose it.

Average performance.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;239857]I think that's stretching things. I think all of us LOVED that game. I lost my voice from freaking out at the end (cause I was there).

But just speaking frankly, giving my opinion about Mark Brunell? He didn't lose it for us, so that's good. This thread has people saying he played like a pro bowler today. Um, no. But he didn't lose it.

Average performance.[/QUOTE]

All I'm saying is SGG didn't say anything about him being the answer long-term. No one did. And like a lot of us have said yeah he's been part (key word: part) of the problem during our losses this year. But just for today, can't we appreciate his game and the win? Can we just take a break for, oh I don't know, 24 hours, not to jump down his throat? So many here are so busy trying to find fault and blame and reasons to not be happy about this team that they can't just enjoy a great win today. Let's be like teams themselves are after wins, especially big wins, savor the win for a couple of days and get back to work on Tuesday.

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I definately never meant to imply that Brunell is the long-term answer or played like Manning or Brady. All I meant to say was that Brunell played pretty well, particularly when you consider the total lack of a running game and Moss' absence. I started the thread to take note of Brunell's performance because he's been a whipping boy, rightly or wrongly, the past several weeks.

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[quote=TAFKAS;239863]All I'm saying is SGG didn't say anything about him being the answer long-term. No one did. And like a lot of us have said yeah he's been part (key word: part) of the problem during our losses this year. But just for today, can't we appreciate his game and the win? Can we just take a break for, oh I don't know, 24 hours, not to jump down his throat? So many here are so busy trying to find fault and blame and reasons to not be happy about this team that they can't just enjoy a great win today. Let's be like teams themselves are after wins, especially big wins, savor the win for a couple of days and get back to work on Tuesday.[/quote]

Great point. If you are really looking for opportunities to criticize this game, you are missing out on one of the the wonderful moments in Redskin fan history.

This was Dallas. Point blank.

If that doesn't mean something to you and you want to complain because there was a bad snap, then you don't get it and you never will.

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He did what I didn't think he could do, Throw internediate routes decently. I was wary of a few oh his decisions but all in all we can lvie with him playing like that. I didn't feel all game like we were having to over come his deficiencies. He actually brought something to the table.

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[quote=TAFKAS;239863]All I'm saying is SGG didn't say anything about him being the answer long-term. No one did. And like a lot of us have said yeah he's been part (key word: part) of the problem during our losses this year. But just for today, can't we appreciate his game and the win? Can we just take a break for, oh I don't know, 24 hours, not to jump down his throat? So many here are so busy trying to find fault and blame and reasons to not be happy about this team that they can't just enjoy a great win today. Let's be like teams themselves are after wins, especially big wins, savor the win for a couple of days and get back to work on Tuesday.[/quote]

What I don't like to see on these message boards is people telling others to "take their bashing elsewhere" and stuff like that. It should be a board where you're free to express whatever opinion you like.

This thread was started with the purpose of giving props to Brunell. I'm of the opinion that he's not deserving of any significant props. He completed 60% of his passes and was very fortunate that two were not intercepted. He did make a couple impressive throws, one down the seam to Thrash, and the TD to Cooley. But his play overall was nothing that tons of other QBs in the league (like Damon Huard, Tony Romo, and Chad Pennington) couldn't do.

It's very possible for people to enjoy the win and at the same time be realistic about isolating Brunell's performance within a great win, and calling a spade a spade. He did just enough for us to win today, with some help from some Cowboy defenders who dropped some INTs.

But if I can comment, it will be a sad day when the Warpath stifles the opinions of others because they choose to examine Brunell in a manner that is not entirely positive in spite of a victory.

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[quote=Schneed10;239987]What I don't like to see on these message boards is people telling others to "take their bashing elsewhere" and stuff like that. It should be a board where you're free to express whatever opinion you like.

This thread was started with the purpose of giving props to Brunell. I'm of the opinion that he's not deserving of any significant props. He completed 60% of his passes and was very fortunate that two were not intercepted. He did make a couple impressive throws, one down the seam to Thrash, and the TD to Cooley. But his play overall was nothing that tons of other QBs in the league (like Damon Huard, Tony Romo, and Chad Pennington) couldn't do.

It's very possible for people to enjoy the win and at the same time be realistic about isolating Brunell's performance within a great win, and calling a spade a spade. He did just enough for us to win today, with some help from some Cowboy defenders who dropped some INTs.

But if I can comment, it will be a sad day when the Warpath stifles the opinions of others because they choose to examine Brunell in a manner that is not entirely positive in spite of a victory.[/quote]

I think you're confusing rational criticism, which is fine, with idiotic criticism which is just that, idiotic.

Brunell didn't play great yesterday, but I thought he played well enough and we saw him go down the middle of the field which we've all wanted all season.

If someone wants to pick apart his performance in a rational manner that's perfectly fine with me. But for example when people are bashing him for the way he took a sack, that's just ridiculous to me.

Or the botched shotgun snap which could have easily been a premature snap and not his fault.

There are a few people right now that just have it out for him no matter what he does, and that's what I have a problem with. If someone hates the guy fine, but if someone can't get on board for one afternoon with a win like that, I'm sorry but their personal bias is clouding their vision as a Redskins fan and that's a shame.

You win as a team and lose as one, I've never seen so much attention paid to one player before.