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[QUOTE=offiss;244639]Look nitwit it's just 3 fingers, your thumb point's in a different direction altogether. After you spend 15 minutes studying your hand let me know if I was right.

And please don't just keep rerepeating what I say and then substitute me for you. Be original like the genious that is you![/QUOTE]


Seriously, it's posts like that which make you look so childish Offiss. It gives Redskins fans a bad name. Grow up for once in your life and stop with this petty name calling crap. And I don't care if you took the last 15 minutes to study your own hand (something tells me you actually did,) I'm not going to continue on sinking to your level of immaturity.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;244635]So it is just completely absurd that Manning could throw 60 tds.

He already has a season with 49. You are right, 11 more is physically impossible.[/quote]

Actually yes, it is absurd. 60 TDs?? That's an average of almost 4 TDs per game.

Manning had a brilliant season and beat the record by 1 TD.

1, that's it.

Someone will throw 60 TDs as soon as someone hits 100 HRs in baseball.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;244636]Seriously guys, why not lighten up a bit? We are what we are. We're not a good team. The defense is a couple players away from being elite again. The offense has the playmakers and just needs a quarterback. Is it Campbell? I sure hope so, but if not, that's the position that needs to be addressed before this team even whispers playoffs or Super Bowl.[/QUOTE]

that whats makes Campbell sitting so frustrating. we gave up draft choices for him and other players that could've been making all the difference on our defense now.

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[quote=Mattyk72;244645]Actually yes, it is absurd. 60 TDs?? That's an average of almost 4 TDs per game.

Manning had a brilliant season and beat the record by 1 TD.

1, that's it.

Someone will throw 60 TDs as soon as someone hits 100 HRs in baseball.[/quote]

I don't know, Matty. I think that Marino's 48 were extremely impressive in his era since so many rules are in place now that help scoring and protect the QB more but with these new rules, I think all of the offensive records will be re-written.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;244633]And run for 30.

I think the real question we need to ask is why is it taking the Redskins so long to hire Grim and Offiss to run the organization? Why is it taking any team so long? We'd be undefeated for life with those two in charge[/QUOTE]

Well the way things are going in redskin land these days they might be better off with the GIG crew, I need someone new to hand me excuses on sundays on why we lost, and the best way to make sure that happens is hiring the CREW, you know the guy's who believe everything is ok so long as Gibbs is in charge. Although I think going with someone who believes we need to fix our problems rather than trotting them out on to the field every sunday would be a better way to go.

Why even bother, you know what everything is fine, Gibbs knows what he's doing, Brunell will eventually become the SB QB we all know he's capable of, and all the pre game football shows will stop grinning when the name Mark Brunell is mentioned, can't wait.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;244504]Wrong by a mile on all 3 counts.

Harrington had a 400 yard game recently. Brad used us and is much better than #8. Walter makes throws even with a college quality line.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about the Joey Harrington with a QB rating of 65 and has thrown 50% more picks than TDs. Please spare me. He's better than he was in Detroit, but that says nothing.

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[quote=offiss;244651]Well the way things are going in redskin land these days they might be better off with the GIG crew, I need someone new to hand me excuses on sundays on why we lost, and the best way to make sure that happens is hiring the CREW, you know the guy's who believe everything is ok so long as Gibbs is in charge. Although I think going with someone who believes we need to fix our problems rather than trotting them out on to the field every sunday would be a better way to go.

Why even bother, you know what everything is fine, Gibbs knows what he's doing, Brunell will eventually become the SB QB we all know he's capable of, and all the pre game football shows will stop grinning when the name Mark Brunell is mentioned, can't wait.[/quote]

The team would be better off because my first move would be to fire Vinny F-ing Cerrato. I would hire as many ex-redskins as possible and get the best GM that money could buy.

I don't drink the Kool-aid 24-7. Sorry.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244652]Are you talking about the Joey Harrington with a QB rating of 65 and has thrown 50% more picks than TDs. Please spare me. He's better than he was in Detroit, but that says nothing.[/quote]

I mean the Joey Harrington who just beat the Bears and Chiefs. Two teams that would obliterate us right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;244645]Actually yes, it is absurd. 60 TDs?? That's an average of almost 4 TDs per game.

Manning had a brilliant season and beat the record by 1 TD.

1, that's it.

Someone will throw 60 TDs as soon as someone hits 100 HRs in baseball.[/QUOTE]

Whether He could actually get 60 is not the point the point is Manning would have a chance to possibly break a record with the talent on this offense, and the biggest point is he would blow away [which isn't saying much] Mark Brunell, that is the point being made by Grimm.

He is right by comparison, I would put Moss straight up talent wise with Harrison, El, and Lloyd combigned are better than Wayne and co. and Cooley is as good or better than D.Clark. Is Portis better than any back they have? You tell me? And he's right our lines are very comparable. so what's the problem??????????????????????

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he would need to throw 60 td's the way the defense has been playing.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;244654]I mean the Joey Harrington who just beat the Bears and Chiefs. Two teams that would obliterate us right now.[/QUOTE]

It's news to me that JOEY beat the Bears and Chiefs. Joey had a QB rating of 66 against the bears and threw for 137 yards. Against the Chiefs Joey had a QB rating of 71 and threw for 200 yards. Also, just so you know, those aren't the only games Joey's played in. He's been dreadful against most opponents.

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Sad times... :( I really have nothing else to say.

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[QUOTE=offiss;244658]He is right by comparison, I would put Moss straight up talent wise with Harrison, El, and Lloyd combigned are better than Wayne and co. and Cooley is as good or better than D.Clark. Is Portis better than any back they have? You tell me? And he's right our lines are very comparable. so what's the problem??????????????????????[/QUOTE]

Why is it that you say Moss is right up there talent wise with Harrison? You also praise El, Lloyd, Cooley and Portis. Yet you dedicate an entire thread (for at least the second time) to Gibbs inability to evaluate and acquire talent?

Could you, or anyone, explain to me how this isn't contradictory?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;244664]It's news to me that JOEY beat the Bears and Chiefs. Joey had a QB rating of 66 against the bears and threw for 137 yards. Against the Chiefs Joey had a QB rating of 71 and threw for 200 yards. Also, just so you know, those aren't the only games Joey's played in. He's been dreadful against most opponents.[/quote]


Here's the thing Sherrif. Brunell usually doesn't "win" the game for us either. How many times have you heard "manages the game". Obviously, Harrington has done well managing the game against two good teams.

Did he give up any 70 yard TD returns? Brunell manages games from the Enron handbook.

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[QUOTE=COWBOYS_R_Better;244623]Go cow-not-quit-men!!!![/QUOTE]

There, now your "quote" stands corrected.

Welcome! We hope you have more to say than the two cow-not-quite-men comments you've managed to squeeze into this thread.

Even 5-rings and sandtrapjack, two other cow-not-quite-men have added substance to discussions. You can too if you put your little mind to it!

MB is tough as nails, but I felt it was time after the first week's result.

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[quote=TAFKAS;244667]Why is it that you say Moss is right up there talent wise with Harrison? You also praise El, Lloyd, Cooley and Portis. Yet you dedicate an entire thread (for at least the second time) to Gibbs inability to evaluate and acquire talent?

Could you, or anyone, explain to me how this isn't contradictory?[/quote]

Dude, do you really want to talk about the draft picks that we have pissed away for nothing?

Do you follow our personnel moves?

By the way, Champ is basically a lock for defensive player of the year. We have drafted two corners in the first two rounds since he was picked. One is gone, the other is viewed as a bust.

Let me know if you want to continue down this road.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;244675]Dude, do you really want to talk about the draft picks that we have pissed away for nothing?

Do you follow our personnel moves?

By the way, Champ is basically a lock for defensive player of the year. We have drafted two corners in the first two rounds since he was picked. One is gone, the other is viewed as a bust.

Let me know if you want to continue down this road.[/QUOTE]

I think you're missing what I'm saying. Offiss says Gibbs has no ability to evaluate talent, that he won because of Beathard providing him players. Yet at the same time he says look at all the talent we have-Moss, Cooley, El, Lloyd, Portis.

So all I'm asking is which is it? It's like when he said Portis could be the best back Gibbs ever had. That he was perfect for Gibbs, but at the same time he says Portis is just a product of the Denver system and is overrated. Maybe he's schizophrenic. Maybe Offiss is two people. I don't know.

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hey giggity, and you make a good point. why not come out super aggressive and try to outscore our opponent? our defense isn't getting any better. lets take the air coryell approach

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Hi DMEK and Taf!

Tough day in redskins land huh?

Sorry I didn't hit you back yesterday Taf, I was in some kind of mood yesterday.

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[quote=TAFKAS;244679]I think you're missing what I'm saying. Offiss says Gibbs has no ability to evaluate talent, that he won because of Beathard providing him players. Yet at the same time he says look at all the talent we have-Moss, Cooley, El, Lloyd, Portis.

So all I'm asking is which is it? It's like when he said Portis could be the best back Gibbs ever had. That he was perfect for Gibbs, but at the same time he says Portis is just a product of the Denver system and is overrated. Maybe he's schizophrenic. Maybe Offiss is two people. I don't know.[/quote]

Was he "in character" as bobby, or patrick?

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;244684]Hi DMEK and Taf!

Tough day in redskins land huh?

Sorry I didn't hit you back yesterday Taf, I was in some kind of mood yesterday.[/QUOTE]

Hey Gig. It's all good. I see how it is. I'm just David Patten in your Brunell world. That's how you roll

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[quote=dmek25;244680]hey giggity, and you make a good point. why not come out super aggressive and try to outscore our opponent? our defense isn't getting any better. lets take the air coryell approach[/quote]

One of the things most disturbing to me is.......Brunell does not look comfortable, confident, and hasn't. His feet don't look set. Good protection or not, you have to figure out a way to get comfortable enough to play. If he is not confident, is the team confident in him? The lack of O production is not all his fault, but does the team believe he can do it? if not, are they puttin' out?

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[quote=TAFKAS;244687]Hey Gig. It's all good. I see how it is. I'm just David Patten in your Brunell world. That's how you roll[/quote]Actually, the wife was on undre my name at the time and I didn't want to disturb her. And to be truthful......you are my Ladel Betts. You complete me......and you keep me around because my posting percentage goes up when I dump it off to you and let you run with it......and then we punt.





Sorry......I am in a bad mood still today and thats the best i've got.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;244667]Why is it that you say Moss is right up there talent wise with Harrison? You also praise El, Lloyd, Cooley and Portis. Yet you dedicate an entire thread (for at least the second time) to Gibbs inability to evaluate and acquire talent?

Could you, or anyone, explain to me how this isn't contradictory?[/QUOTE]

I will gladly, How bad can you possibly be when trading for NFL established talent? You would have to be blind not to get some of those moves right, has there been some good moves? Of coarse, you can say that about the most inferior teams in the league, but what do we have, and what good has it done us? We have 3 WR's with no one to get them the ball, we need an allstar cast on the O-line to give Brunell the kind of time he needs to produce consistantly, do I really have to go over the rest of the moves and how bad or unessassary they were? There are some obvious pickup's but really even though I feel they are very talented they haven't remotly produced to justify thier salaries.

Further more could we have lightened up on the WR's this year and possibly have drafted one and maybe done something with the O-line? We have given up way to much the last 3 years in picks which could have been used to really build a lot of depth and replace some starters.

but heres the big problems

Brunell 43mil and a 3rd rd pick

Portis 52 mil a 2nd rd pick and Bailey [now I know Bailey had to go but we could have taken draft picks and turned them into players and drafted Stephen Jackson who suited Gibbs offense. As you know I am not a big Portis guy [I didn't praise him in that quote]and have felt we would be better off with the picks, the money, and Stephen Jackson or even a Larry Johnson in Gibbs smash mouth type offense.

AA how about 30 something mil for a player is now pretty much on the bench

Campbell can't get off the bench, Money here isn't the problem it's picks and possible wasted time on a QB who can't beat out Brunell, enough said

Carter another big signing and I don't see anythiong special about this guy up til now.

Rocky can't beat out Holdman and we gave up a 2nd round pick next year because we had to have him.

Everything Gibbs has done is not bad [Taylor, Cooley] but we sure could have been much better and have a much better cap situation if things were done differently.

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Archuleta, I agree, has been a disaster. I've been disappointed overall in Carter. But he's still young and I still think he's got a bright future.

I don't want to keep talking about Campbell, but I indirectly will in addressing Rocky. Why do people think that Rocky can't beat out Holdman or that he's some sort of bust because he's not starting right now? Was he drafted to be our starter right away? I mean, I wanted us to get a DT in the draft. I didn't think we needed another LB really. But I don't understand the sentiment that he had to be the answer right now.

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Personally, I'd rather us have drafted MLB and moved Marshall back to the weak side.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;244708]Personally, I'd rather us have drafted MLB and moved Marshall back to the weak side.[/QUOTE]

Or a DT. I mean, can you imagine if we had at least a decent pass rush? Maybe our secondary wouldn't look so bad.

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Honestly, I'm cool with Golston. He got hurt often yesterday, but he's been big in the middle. I'd rather us look at DE. Wynn is great in a rotation for rush defense, but doesn't get a huge push. I want us to get a BIG DE that's good at blocking up the running lanes AND can give us a pass rush.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;244722]Honestly, I'm cool with Golston. He got hurt often yesterday, but he's been big in the middle. I'd rather us look at DE. Wynn is great in a rotation for rush defense, but doesn't get a huge push. I want us to get a BIG DE that's good at blocking up the running lanes AND can give us a pass rush.[/quote]

Definitely, we need a Sam Adams type of guy. I'm thinking 350+ lbs at least.

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do we know what was asked of brunell for him to respond, i don't know why you'd ask me that, or i can't believe you asked me that?
i heard an exchange between brunell and a reporter like that happened, i just don't know what went down.

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[QUOTE=BrunellMVP?;244736]do we know what was asked of brunell for him to respond, i don't know why you'd ask me that, or i can't believe you asked me that?
i heard an exchange between brunell and a reporter like that happened, i just don't know what went down.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180190]EXTREMESKINS.com - Youtube of Brunell getting blasted by Czaban on Comcast[/url]

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I think Brunell looks remarkably composed for someone who's being asked a tough question.

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Wow.....well guys, some of us always complained that the media doesn't ask the tough questions...there ya go!

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Of course he's ticked off who can blame him? The entire team has had a rough season, he is well aware that the team in struggling and he's not playing well and he has to deal with morons asking him "tough" (obvious) questions. Good for Czaban, he really showed Brunell! :rolleyes:

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Brunell looks as poised as ever in front of a mic. wish he stood there and dodged pressure half as well on the field.

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Czaban needs to ask Brunell why his favorite receiver is Out O'Bounds. At least he's always open, I guess.

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[quote=TAFKAS;244699]Archuleta, I agree, has been a disaster. I've been disappointed overall in Carter. But he's still young and I still think he's got a bright future.

I don't want to keep talking about Campbell, but I indirectly will in addressing Rocky. Why do people think that Rocky can't beat out Holdman or that he's some sort of bust because he's not starting right now? Was he drafted to be our starter right away? I mean, I wanted us to get a DT in the draft. I didn't think we needed another LB really. But I don't understand the sentiment that he had to be the answer right now.[/quote]


In today's NFL you can't "bat .500". I love Moss, Portis, Cooley, Griffin, Springs, Washington, Lloyd, & ARE.

I think the book is still out on Carter. I think he is starting to get a better feel.

Archuletta is a huge bust. Bringing in Brunell was a bust (we gave up a pick). To date, Cambell is a bust (gave up at least one pick) and Rocky (gave up a pick) was a bust.

Trading Champ and a 2nd round pick was a mistake. Portis had one year left in his deal. We could have waited a year and used Betts or picked up another back. (Runningbacks grow on trees). We could have drafted Cooley with that pick, instead we have to trade up to get Cooley and give up a pick (good move but wasteful).

By trading Champ, we had to go get Springs (good move but the injuries are starting to cloud the signing) who is not as good as Champ.

We let Smoot go and pick up Rogers. As of now, for a 9th pick, Rogers is a bust. Smoot used to get burned but at least he doesn't play 10 yards off the ball on 3 and whatever like Rogers does. I think that Smoot was just as good at covering. Just as physical and could actually haul in an interception.

Trading Coles for Moss was a great move. No complaints. Same with signing Griff and Washington who is a stud.

The thing is that we are spinning our wheels. We are still trying to find the corner to replace champ.

We draft a QB but the situation is as confusing if not more confusing than it was before.

We sign a safety who is now a special teamer.

And after all of this, the lack of picks has created a situation where our depth is very questionable.

Our linebackers are suspect as a whole. Our secondary is getting toasted regularly. If Griff misses a game our D-line is in shambles.

Our O-line is an injury away from falling to pieces. Our QB situation is comical. Our receivers are awesome but we don't have anyone to get the ball to them. Our RB situation is great but we traded a 3rd pickfor a guy who finally got some work.

The bottom line is that our front office before and during Gibbs cannot get out of it's own way. Every time we make a good move we make a bad one. Then when we have an injury the whole thing falls like a deck of cards.

We need to commit to a nucleus of players. I love a lot of the signings but we need to do more homework. You just cannot make someone the highest paid player at their position and then they end up on special teams. We need to commit to strenthening both lines and we cannot have a guy running our offense who cannot throw.

Anyway that is my two cents. We are out of the race. We paid decent money for Collins and Campbell. Let's take them out of the wrapper.

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[quote=RedskinRat;244748]I think Brunell looks remarkably composed for someone who's being asked a tough question.[/quote]

There's a couple telling signs about Brunell from those few questions. He's perfectly willing to throw five yard checkdowns on third and long, then go chat it up and smile on the sidelines while the defense gets torched, because he "wants to be the starter as long as he can". So he either doesn't care about the success of the team, or he's too blind to realize he's turned underperforming into an art form.

And why is he so mad about the question? He doesn't even look like he wants to put points on the board. He just wants his rating to look good(which he has only managed to do four times this year), so that Gibbs can talk about how well he played.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;244769]We let Smoot go and pick up Rogers. As of now, for a 9th pick, Rogers is a bust. Smoot used to get burned but at least he doesn't play 10 yards off the ball on 3 and whatever like Rogers does. I think that Smoot was just as good at covering. Just as physical and could actually haul in an interception.

Trading Coles for Moss was a great move. No complaints. Same with signing Griff and Washington who is a stud.

The thing is that we are spinning our wheels. We are still trying to find the corner to replace champ.
[/quote]

why is our secondary bad all of a sudden? they were awesome for two years. MAYBE it had to do with the fact that we had some kind of rush because GW dialed in a blitz now and then. ANY professional NFL qb is going to complete a pass when he has time to sit back in the pocket, knit a dress for brunell and then throw the ball. rogers has played great. he had a bad game against minnesota. you know whos been playing bust-like this year? Sean Taylor. hes been smacking people int he mouth, but hes the one getting burned in our secondary.

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[quote=Southpaw;244771]There's a couple telling signs about Brunell from those few questions. He's perfectly willing to throw five yard checkdowns on third and long,[B][I] then go chat it up and smile on the sidelines while the defense gets torched[/I][/B], because he "wants to be the starter as long as he can". So he either doesn't care about the success of the team, or he's too blind to realize he's turned underperforming into an art form.

And why is he so mad about the question? He doesn't even look like he wants to put points on the board. He just wants his rating to look good(which he has only managed to do four times this year), so that Gibbs can talk about how well he played.[/quote]

thats what makes me want to stab the mother fucker. hes getting paid shit loads to go and tell jokes about how big the penis is his ass was the night before?! that mother FUCKER.