Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

Who cares how old a QB is when they are selected to be the starting QB? All that matters is are they selected when they are ready? For every QB that starts out playing great as a rookie there are 5 that can't cut so they become journeymen QB's for the rest of their career. The question is simple: Is Campbell ready to implement Saunders offense? If yes, then play him. If not, keep him in classroom and on the sideline to continue learning.

The funny thing is Collins really should have been the starter at the beginning since Campbell was not ready. Does anyone think that Brunell knew the offense better than Collins? Campbell could have been watching a veteran of the offensive system execute with more efficiency than a veteran who is also learning the system. Even if Collins is a terrible QB, which I doubt since he's been in the league for so long, he at least would be more familiar with his reads thus showing Campbell how the system is designed to work.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;244818]That's your opinion...but the fact is that Gibbs isn't the only coach who believes in giving the young guy the clipboard for a couple years, and it's proved to be just as effective. Moreover, the season isn't over yet, and we may in fact see Campbell either this weekend or possibly sometime before the season is over.[/QUOTE]

i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;244826]Who cares how old a QB is when they are selected to be the starting QB? All that matters is are they selected when they are ready? For every QB that starts out playing great as a rookie there are 5 that can't cut so they become journeymen QB's for the rest of their career. The question is simple: Is Campbell ready to implement Saunders offense? If yes, then play him. If not, keep him in classroom and on the sideline to continue learning.

The funny thing is Collins really should have been the starter at the beginning since Campbell was not ready. Does anyone think that Brunell knew the offense better than Collins? Campbell could have been watching a veteran of the offensive system execute with more efficiency than a veteran who is also learning the system. Even if Collins is a terrible QB, which I doubt since he's been in the league for so long, he at least would be more familiar with his reads thus showing Campbell how the system is designed to work.[/QUOTE]

I agree...the age of QB doesn't matter...it comes down to if he can perform, and the coaches see more than what we do obviously. The thing about Collins is, in my opinion, during pre-season, he seemed just as lost in the system as Brunell. In fact (and will probably open the argument for Campbell even more) Campbell looked the most poised between the three...albeit playing against mostly 3rd stringers.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=skinsguy;244831]I agree...the age of QB doesn't matter...it comes down to if he can perform, and the coaches see more than what we do obviously. The thing about Collins is, in my opinion, during pre-season, he seemed just as lost in the system as Brunell. In fact (and will probably open the argument for Campbell even more) Campbell looked the most poised between the three...albeit playing against mostly 3rd stringers.[/quote]

Was he lost with the system or the speed of the game?

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=illdefined;244829]i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.[/quote]

Brunell produced last year.... Well kind of. OK, he won games.

But he's getting old and who is to say that last years was the best year the Skins will ever have out of him.

This offense is broken and needs to be fixed. To fix a car you put in new parts. At this point what the hell could it hurt?

Brunells feelings?

Who cares about that?

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=illdefined;244829]i would like nothing more. whole point is that its overdue. a lot of those young QBs you mentioned stayed sat because the vets in front of them were producing, or were at least being competitive. the same can't be said about our situation.[/QUOTE]


The same can't be said about our situation now, because we're obviously 3-6 and sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand. But, a year ago, we did make the playoffs and appeared (for the most part) to be on the right track. In my opinion, the only changes that we should have made were the additions of BL and ARE....but that's beside the point. The point is, there were high expectations from everybody for this team to not only make the playoffs, but to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. Brunell should have had a better year just for the fact that he had more than Moss to throw to now. There was no reason prior to this season, and even after our slow start, to assume that keeping Brunell in was a bad idea. While I contend that there are more problems that are contributing to our downward spiral, switching the QB has not been the answer until now.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;244834]Was he lost with the system or the speed of the game?[/QUOTE]


It's hard to tell. It could've been the speed of the game, but he just seemed to struggle as much as everyone else. I do seem to remember one good showing out of Collins, but I was mostly impressed by Campbell.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

ok todd collins would be the next best thing to happen it DC...
of course i,m joking campbell needs to be in there and learn and so we can see what he is made of ,hes,s our future...he,s pretty damn good at the clip board thing let me tell ya..

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;244836]The same can't be said about our situation now, because we're obviously 3-6 and sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand. But, a year ago, we did make the playoffs and appeared (for the most part) to be on the right track. In my opinion, the only changes that we should have made were the additions of BL and ARE....but that's beside the point. The point is, there were high expectations from everybody for this team to not only make the playoffs, but to make a serious run for the Super Bowl. Brunell should have had a better year just for the fact that he had more than Moss to throw to now. There was no reason prior to this season, and even after our slow start, to assume that keeping Brunell in was a bad idea. While I contend that there are more problems that are contributing to our downward spiral, switching the QB has not been the answer until now.[/QUOTE]


ok now we're in complete agreement, almost. while i do see why we started with Brunell this season, he definitely earned it last year with his solid performance - i think it was more than apparent that our defense wasn't the same and Brunell couldn't even try and make up that difference alot earlier than week 10.

you do seem to recognize that it's actually called for by now, but do you really think it'll happen now?

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

let me start by saying this : Ramsey, if you go back to the video of the Bears game was playing pretty damn good. the ball was going down the field, which we have not seen so much this year. I can't believe we still talk about Ramsey, but I guess a lot of us still wish he was here.

now, about Collins. there is a reason he has been a back up his whole career. if JC does not play over him I think that sends the signals that Campbell isn't as good as the coaching staff thought(because that hasn't happened much, recently)
the thought of bringing in Leftwich or Green is crazy. One, Leftwich hasn't been tearing it up as a starter and honestly dont think he would fit with the offense. too slow on his release, but probably better than Brunell. Green, would know the offense better than anyone in the NFL, but again he's like 36 years old. Aren't we shoving someone out the door that is that old? This organization has to realize they have to play the younger guys (campbell) and let them grow. Now is the perfect time to do that. Look at Vince Young, he didn't play so well early, but has played decent enough to keep them competative the last couple of weeks. I know Joe doens't like playing rookies or young QB's, but this isn't the 80's and 90's, you invest so much money into these guys you have to play them. not even mentioning the draft picks that we may have wasted if he doesn't get a shot to play.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

I would feel [B]CHEATED[/B] and I may just throw up! JC had better see extensive playing time for the rest of the season or Gibbs needs to go back to racing, and leave football behind.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=illdefined;244844]ok now we're in complete agreement, almost. while i do see why we started with Brunell this season, he definitely earned it last year with his solid performance - i think it was more than apparent that our defense wasn't the same and Brunell couldn't even try and make up that difference alot earlier than week 10.

you do seem to recognize that it's actually called for by now, but do you really think it'll happen now?[/QUOTE]


I honestly think Gibbs will either wait until we've lost 8 games, or if we lose this week. Despite being mathematically "in it" I definitely feel it's time to put Campbell in there and see what he can do now! It's not going to fix the other problems that we need to address, but it gives him at least 7 games of playing experience against starting defenses.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;244846]let me start by saying this : Ramsey, if you go back to the video of the Bears game was playing pretty damn good.[/quote]

lay off the bottle dude, seriously

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

If Collins starts instead of Campbell, I will take it to mean that Gibbs is trying to save the season. It would also mean that JC as "co-#2 qb" was a farce. I would be devastated, it would mean that we traded three potential starters (the three high picks we sent to Denver) for a backup qb that the coaching staff doesn't want to play.

So if Brunell gives us the best chance to win, does playing Campbell give us at least a better shot at not losing?

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;244854]lay off the bottle dude, seriously[/QUOTE]

aw c'mon. his NAME is #56Fanatic for chrissakes..:party-smi

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=Warpath;244697]I've heard and read many different places that JC might not be completely ready to step in. Remember what happened with Ramsey? He was shoved in there and had NO chance. He lost all his confindence and has been damaged goods ev er since. My question to the board is, How will you feel if Todd Collins is named the starter instead of JC?[/QUOTE]

There was a recent interview with Barack Obama, where he was posed with the question of whether or not he would be fully ready to be president if he were elected.

His response was that no one is fully ready to be president until they are in office. They are presented with the situation and either they succeed or they fail.

My opinion on Campbell is this: enough hand-holding. If he is going to be a starting quarterback in this league, he needs to be tough enough to enter the fray and prove it.

Honestly, I don't know what they are waiting for at this point in time? Its not like this guy is some child who can't even wipe his own ass. This guy is a 24 or 25 year old professional athlete.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;244854]lay off the bottle dude, seriously[/quote]


Are you saying he didn't play better in the 1st quarter than Brunell played the rest of the game? I was at the game and other than the INT, he played well. And, was going up against one of the better D's in the NFL.

Granted I was drinking A LOT before and during the game, but from what I remember he played well.

lay off the name. We will have another #56 soon. Maybe Rocky will change his number

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

that would be the most retarded thing ever. the future is now as george allen would say.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=illdefined;244858]aw c'mon. his NAME is #56Fanatic for chrissakes..:party-smi[/quote]

You know I am not going to change it! just because everyone wants me to. patience, there will be another 56.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;244878]You know I am not going to change it! just because everyone wants me to. patience, there will be another 56.[/QUOTE]

nah don't. that's cool you kept it, for a long tumultous time, LaVar was the sole highlight for the Redskins, showed tons more passion here than alot of the guys today.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

im just ready for a change now. atleast saunders trusts collins

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

Great game was an overstatement certainly, but he played in an equal capacity to Brunell. Ramsey is ramsey, he'll throw more INTs than Brunell (but Brunell will make that up in fumbles) and when our defense was playing like it was, you could afford more turnovers if you moved the ball.

Plus, I don't consider 1 quarter much of a chance to prove yourself.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=#56fanatic;244876]Are you saying he didn't play better in the 1st quarter than Brunell played the rest of the game? I was at the game and other than the INT, he played well. And, was going up against one of the better D's in the NFL.

Granted I was drinking A LOT before and during the game, but from what I remember he played well.

lay off the name. We will have another #56 soon. Maybe Rocky will change his number[/quote]

This is what I said in another thread:

[quote]
How in the hell did Ramsey look "pretty solid" with this stat line:

6 of 11, 105 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, sacked twice, 2 fumbles, 49.4 QB rating.

Yeah, really freaking solid. Solidly bad.

This crap about Ramsey looking good in that game is one of the stupidest arguments ever discussed on any message board.
[/quote]

Yes, Brunell definitely played better than Ramsey in that game. His stat line from that game:

8 of 14, 70 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 1 sack, 0 fumbles, 70.5 QB rating.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

Why are we even discussing Patrick Ramsey?

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=Daseal;244891]Great game was an overstatement certainly, but he played in an equal capacity to Brunell. Ramsey is ramsey, he'll throw more INTs than Brunell (but Brunell will make that up in fumbles) and when our defense was playing like it was, you could afford more turnovers if you moved the ball.

Plus, I don't consider 1 quarter much of a chance to prove yourself.[/quote]

Great, good, solid... none of those terms fit when describing his performance that day. The fact is he played like shit. 1 INT and 2 fumbles in 1 quarter and people describe that as playing well? Please, that's just insanely ridiculous.

Brunell came in and didn't play great or good, but he was solid enough to help contribute to the win.

I'm not going to even argue about this "he only had 1 quarter to prove himself" nonsense. If you really believe the decision to bench him was made on that 1 quarter of football you are insane.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=skinsguy;244899]Why are we even discussing Patrick Ramsey?[/QUOTE]

for real. i liked the guy and still dont see why we're still talking about him. the only thing relevant about him today is as a reminder of the inconsistency of Gibbs' QB yanking policy.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[quote=skinsguy;244899]Why are we even discussing Patrick Ramsey?[/quote]

Today is dig into the past day and find every little thing this team has done wrong in the past 20 years and throw that at the feet of the current team. It's perfectly relevant to discuss players, coaches, front office staff that aren't here anymore and have no impact on the current team. C'mon man get with the program. ;)

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

Shut the thread down, it's a moot point now.

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

lets shut every Collins/Brunell thread down now. PLEASE.

they are BACKUPS. :) :) :)

Re: How will you feel if its Collins instead of Campbell?
 

[QUOTE=illdefined;245113]lets shut every Collins/Brunell thread down now. PLEASE.

they are BACKUPS. :) :) :)[/QUOTE]


Hahaha.....somebody warn Offiss! ;)