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anyways, i'd love a better D line too, but like kearse, this guy is gonna be expensive, and i doubt throwing wynn in really going to help much ;) he is proven, but coming in during august means we might be seeing some mediocre performances early on (though i believe they'd be better than the current roster). I like watching the draft, but more importantly, spreading the money between more than 5-6 players tends to leave weaknesses (i think miami got the sacks cause they had TWO linemen, with only one, its easier to double team him and scramble the other way)

the other problem is that danny tends to overpay, and the "build for today, f^%& tomorrow" mentality just doesn't sit right with me personally...[/QUOTE]

he should be expensive, but not Kearse expensive who IS a household name with an ego the size of a household. thats why the Ogunleye parallel with Lav Coles. proven, good character, down low guys. and yeah in my dreams, LaVar would be playing the role of Jason Taylor on the other side. one can dream cant he?

hopefully Joe Gibbs will temper owner and players alike into this forgotten 'tomorrow' concept you talk about.

We potentially would have two ends. Daniels cound end up having a good year. Expecially if the other end is getting double teamed. Sometimes being a great player means you open up opportunities for other players, more so then putting up big stats your self. Daniels had what, ten sacks two season ago. Mabye he could have another year like that, you never know. Plus, lets say its 3rd and 7. That means your ends are A.O. and Arrington...not a bad combo in my opinion. Plus what is taylor blitzes then to, that takes the TE out of the play. Having one star end is definitly better than two, even if it takes him a few games to learn the playbook. Ive got a feeling the rest of the league will have a harder time learning Gibbs gameplan.

(Notice how none of us have considered that we start the season off bad while Gibbs adjusts to the NFL again) heh, gotta love the optimism

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(Notice how none of us have considered that we start the season off bad while Gibbs adjusts to the NFL again) heh, gotta love the optimism[/QUOTE]

Matty, let that one slide :food-smil

well, i think its just that we see no way that he could possibly be worse than what we've had the last 4 years or so (as far as coaching goes)...

dont u mean 12 years?

i haven't been watching that long, but at least their was a bareable 1999 run...

oh...being a redskins fans in the 80s was about as great of a feeling a sports fan can have...thats why Joe Gibbs is the messiah in DC. him being back won't really hit me until i see him with a baseball cap on the sideline again....but in an attempt to keep this on topic.. we had a pair of pro-bowl DEs back then...they certainly had alot to do with the 'Skins reign

My vote!
 

I vote against giving up a #1st Rounder for Ogun! I have a feeling that Williams is the man to motivate our "D" to be the "National Defense" that it is supposed to be!

The fact that he had them bring the whole house on the first play from scrimmage in the very first mini-camp says something about a major change on the Defensive side of the ball!

It's no longer the "Status Quo" with OBC and an inexperienced lot holding the reins!

It's a different ball game!

A tremendous amount has been done to improve our defense this past off season. When in in doubt, In HOF Coach Gibbs we Trust!

right now name one of our ends that as a nfl coach you would send a double team on. The answer would be none of them I'm sorry but they all suck, that is why the offensive coordinators of the NFL target our LB and exploit our line. I say keep the first & stay with the pick, then go after either Mathias Kiwanuka of Boston College, or Marcus Spears LSU next year in the draft. That would be the smartest cheapest option.

The good ends that will be able to start next year will be gone by the Skins pick. WIlliams is a great defensive coach but he also had good players on the dline. The dline is the anchor. Our linebackers will only be effective as blitzers if the line can get pressure to. If we had A.O. they cant double team him and pick up the blitz with a linebacker, it will open up so many more opportunities for us.

you said it.

should we deliberately lose games this year (or trade away MORE picks to get lower in the draft) so we can take the best DE next year and HOPE he doesnt't hold out and then HOPE he works in the NFL??

Ogunleye doesn't think he's Jevon Kear$e, he just wants more than a one year contract at league minimum! we've done good trading away our picks, because we know what we are getting. Ogunleye is a solid player with a solid character. its really a no brainer, and apparently the Skins thought so too cuz its been mentioned. keep the pressure on Danny!

The Dolphins have obviously offered him much more than the minimum... The $ your seeing is the tender amount necessary to keep his rights. He started out asking for more than he's worth.

[QUOTE=EEich]The Dolphins have obviously offered him much more than the minimum... The $ your seeing is the tender amount necessary to keep his rights. He started out asking for more than he's worth.[/QUOTE]

he wants a multiyear contract is all. the money he asked for was what he felt he was worth to use just for a year

They offered him a multi-year. Just not for what he's asking.

how was the deal? and how much more was he asking? obviously his value in Miami's great defensive's line is alot different than for a team with a question mark defensive line...

So much for your "he doesn't think he's Kearse" comment...

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ive read him saying he doesnt think hes Kearse. Hell id say hes better than kearse because kerse is always injured. He did lead the AFC in sacks last year.

THis is what it comes down to, games are won on the line of scrimage. Whoever wins that line of scrimage wins the game. You dotn need a elite HB is you have a great oline, and you dont need elite corners if you have a great dline. We cant blitz our linebackers on everyplay to try and create pressure if the QB is picking apart our passing game. We have to be able to get pressure on the QB, which is somethign I havent seen since i was a child in DC. Gettin A.O. would but a huge upgrade that could completly change how our games our played next year.

heh, is that him or his agent talking? of course he's worth more anywhere else, and he's seeking that kind of money, but i wonder what he'd really sign for in order to get out of that situation.

I don't want to hear any more talk about Gardner or Smoot these guys are true REDSKINS. Gardner is one of the most under rated receivers in the league. Who better to throw to when Coles is double covered. He will probably have a 1000 yard year.

[QUOTE=mizzo skins man]I don't want to hear any more talk about Gardner or Smoot these guys are true REDSKINS. Gardner is one of the most under rated receivers in the league. Who better to throw to when Coles is double covered. He will probably have a 1000 yard year.[/QUOTE]

Gardner has dropped too many clutch passes over the years. we have a lot of other receivers who haven't gotten enough chance to be evaluated. if he will get us Ogunleye, can't say i will miss him to much in light of our needs.

looks like I just found the conclusion to the Boston Argument.


"Dolphins WR David Boston has reportedly suffered depth-perception problems the past two seasons. The cause? Colored contact lenses. It seems that the enigmatic Boston wore contacts colored red, purple or blue as a fashion statement. It took Dolphins WR coach Jerry Sullivan and trainer Kevin O'Neill to alert him to the problem. After wearing clear contacts in Miami's most recent minicamp, Boston admitted that he was picking the ball up quicker."

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]looks like I just found the conclusion to the Boston Argument.


"Dolphins WR David Boston has reportedly suffered depth-perception problems the past two seasons. The cause? Colored contact lenses. It seems that the enigmatic Boston wore contacts colored red, purple or blue as a fashion statement. It took Dolphins WR coach Jerry Sullivan and trainer Kevin O'Neill to alert him to the problem. After wearing clear contacts in Miami's most recent minicamp, Boston admitted that he was picking the ball up quicker."[/QUOTE]

that is just so... I mean... :doh:

great toss up for a footbal player: fashion statement with my eye color or seeing clearly, playing well, and not being a dope. Not only is that kinda strange, but who really pays attention to the eye color of a dude wearing a helmet with a face mask on? I mean seriously come on, I knew the guy had some maturity problems but this sounds more like "he's been hit upside the head too many times" type problems.

that definately answers it for me... he's obviously a class A idiot.

Back to Ogunleye for just a moment

from Lenny P

Washington officials deny they have made an offer to Miami for restricted free agent defensive end Adewale Ogunleye, who remains unsigned and in a state of impasse on contract negotiations, but the Redskins are closely monitoring the situation. Owner Dan Snyder and agent Drew Rosenhaus have worked several deals in the past couple years.

How about Wynn, Gardner, and the 1st for Boston, Ogunleye, it would make all you Boston fans happy. lol

or how about Wynn, Gardner, and the 1st for Ogunleye, and a 4th and 5th to keep boston the hell away from us :D.

the only way wynn is gonna be part of a trade is if the nfl becomes the nba where u can dump off salaries like the wizards just did. no one is gonna want wynn with his current contract as overpriced as it is.

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]the only way wynn is gonna be part of a trade is if the nfl becomes the nba where u can dump off salaries like the wizards just did. no one is gonna want wynn with his current contract as overpriced as it is.[/QUOTE]

I find it odd that there hasn't been more of a groundswell of support for Wynn's contract being restructured. Of course, he could be cut with only the prorated remainder of his signing bonus to affect our cap (as I'm sure he will be next year, when his base goes over $4 million), but a restructure could lessen his impact now.

He must have photos of Danny in some compromising situations.
(i.e. Danny in his Dallas Cowboy pajamas playing with his pet llamas).

danny did call jimmy johnson last season for advice though... so much for the rivalry ;)

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Vic Carucci says no dice...

Still, Carucci gives a strong endorsement to Ogunleye, even taking into consideration his fortunate position opposite Jason Taylor.

"He is consistently aggressive, combines great quickness and leverage to be a pass-rushing terror, and is strong enough to shut down the run."

Now I want to see him in Burgundy and Gold even more now...