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[quote=paulskinsfan;254951]Dear Jackass,

Joe Gibbs wanted to bring in Al Saunders, not Dan Snyder. Joe Gibbs has total control of this team. It was Gibbs decision to bring in Brunell, trade a draft pick for Brunell, and to stand by Brunell. It was Gibbs decision to wait till now to bring in JC. It was Gibbs decision to give Williams the go ahead to get whomever he wanted aka Archuletta. It was Gibbs decision to do EVERYTHING because Dan has given him total control! JOE GIBBS is to blame for the state of the Redskins people!!![/quote]


All of this let's blame Al Saunders one week, Gregg Williams the next is absurd. This is Joe Gibbs' team, and like I said earlier I'm really starting to wonder if this team believes in the coaching staff anymore.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254946]Will you agree that its time to get a quality GM to oversee free agency and the draft?[/quote]

No, in fact I think the we need a GM talk is very overrated.

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Paulskins ...

You may have your oppion but you are WRONG to start calling people retards and jackass simply because they disagree with you ..

...you are the worst kind of fan now go to bed... you must have schoool in the morning.... and let the adults talk

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254951]Dear Jackass,

Joe Gibbs wanted to bring in Al Saunders, not Dan Snyder. Joe Gibbs has total control of this team. It was Gibbs decision to bring in Brunell, trade a draft pick for Brunell, and to stand by Brunell. It was Gibbs decision to wait till now to bring in JC. It was Gibbs decision to give Williams the go ahead to get whomever he wanted aka Archuletta. It was Gibbs decision to do EVERYTHING because Dan has given him total control! JOE GIBBS is to blame for the state of the Redskins people!!![/QUOTE]

Hey, why don't you try to use some maturity when you post son. Nobody appreciates your attitude here and I certainly don't. It's obvious if you knew more about football you'd be coaching in the NFL instead of sitting in your little computer chair behind your little bitty computer throwing insults out at others.

Grow up!

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[quote=skinsguy;254956]Hey, why don't you try to use some maturity when you post son. Nobody appreciates your attitude here and I certainly don't. It's obvious if you knew more about football you'd be coaching in the NFL instead of sitting in your little computer chair behind your little bitty computer throwing insults out at others.

Grow up![/quote]

Listen, "Son". Ive defended my position. As far as throwing insults, he took the tone with me, that's not even debatable. Ive defended the theme of this thread and I will continue to do so. Joe Gibbs has done a horrible job in Washington. Im not saying I know more than he does about football. If you take that philosophy then no one who has less than 3 Super Bowl victories could criticize the man. That's not life "son". Life is about taking responsibility for your decisions. All of the personnel, clock management, and play calling have ultimately been the decision of Joe Gibbs because he is the head coach. Again, defend the man on his modern day performance.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254957]Listen, "Son". Ive defended my position. As far as throwing insults, he took the tone with me, that's not even debatable. Ive defended the theme of this thread and I will continue to do so. Joe Gibbs has done a horrible job in Washington. Im not saying I know more than he does about football. If you take that philosophy then no one who has less than 3 Super Bowl victories could criticize the man. That's not life "son". Life is about taking responsibility for your decisions. All of the personnel, clock management, and play calling have ultimately been the decision of Joe Gibbs because he is the head coach. Again, defend the man on his modern day performance.[/QUOTE]

Yes, [B][U]son[/U][/B], you certainly have defended your position...senseless name calling and all. Most of us feel it's a very weak defense, but whatever floats your boat.

The rest of us clear thinkers will discuss this and look at this from the big picture in a clear, mature manner. Hopefully without terms like "jackass" being thrown in people's faces...because after all there are still people here who try their best to post with netiquette.

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[quote=bedlamVR;254955]Paulskins ...

You may have your oppion but you are WRONG to start calling people retards and jackass simply because they disagree with you ..

...you are the worst kind of fan now go to bed... you must have schoool in the morning.... and let the adults talk[/quote]

Im so very sorry. The first individual was "mentally challenged" not retarded, that was inappropriate and Im sorry. The second individual had the intellect of a donkey. Again, my mistake. Go Hilary!

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Do you guys think that he will step down and move to the front office?

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"Most of us feel it's a very weak defense, but whatever floats your boat."

Do a poll. This should be the question:

Who is the most responsible person for the current state of the Washington Redskins:

A. The Players
B. Dan Snyder
C. Joe Gibbs
D. Taylor Jacobs

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254965]"Most of us feel it's a very weak defense, but whatever floats your boat."

Do a poll. This should be the question:

Who is the most responsible person for the current state of the Washington Redskins:

A. The Players
B. Dan Snyder
C. Joe Gibbs
D. Taylor Jacobs[/quote]

It's Taylor Jacobs.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254961]Im so very sorry. The first individual was "mentally challenged" not retarded, that was inappropriate and Im sorry. The second individual had the intellect of a donkey. Again, my mistake. Go Hilary![/QUOTE]

And this individual maturity-challenged.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254957]Again, defend the man on his modern day performance.[/quote]Joe Gibbs' offense ressurected Mark Brunell's career and HE took our offense from one of the leagues' worst in 2004 to above average in 2005. If you chart improvement, we only have gotten better on offense since he came back.

We are struggling in no small part because he GAVE UP some of his executive coaching powers. This would not be the season to blame Gibbs because he has less control than he did last season.

I will say this: since he isn't calling the offense, he really isn't much more than an overseeing figurehead at this point.

And his interviening may be the best possible solution.

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If Gibbs was exposed to the NY media, they would eat his lunch during the pressers.

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[quote=GTripp0012;254970]Joe Gibbs' offense ressurected Mark Brunell's career and HE took our offense from one of the leagues' worst in 2004 to above average in 2005. If you chart improvement, we only have gotten better on offense since he came back.

We are struggling in no small part because he GAVE UP some of his executive coaching powers. This would not be the season to blame Gibbs because he has less control than he did last season.

I will say this: since he isn't calling the offense, he really isn't much more than an overseeing figurehead at this point.

And his interviening may be the best possible solution.[/quote]


Quite honestly, that's the best defense someone could give the man. Im not buying it, but its his best defense and I applaud you for that!

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254965]"Most of us feel it's a very weak defense, but whatever floats your boat."

Do a poll. This should be the question:

Who is the most responsible person for the current state of the Washington Redskins:

A. The Players
B. Dan Snyder
C. Joe Gibbs
D. Taylor Jacobs[/QUOTE]

This is quite skewed! You have said nothing about Gregg Williams who makes all the decisions about the defense and Joe Gibbs has said this over and over again, yet you say nothing about the defense. You say nothing about the rookie mistake of Jason Campbell throwing the INT when he should've ate the football. You say nothing about Campbell not seeing a wide open Chris Cooley on that drive where we should've scored on. You say nothing about the INT Campbell throws that put the nail in the coffin for us. You say nothing about our thin secondary, the injuries we've had to valuable guys like Springs for instance. All you have to say is it's all Joe Gibbs fault. If this is true, then are you willing to give Joe Gibbs the credit for getting this team in the playoffs and winning a playoff game in his second year back as head coach?

My point is, there are plenty of variables the equate to our losing season. Sure, Joe Gibbs is going to take all the blame, but to answer YOUR poll....everybody is to blame for our team this year. That isn't to say I think everyone needs to be fired, but everybody needs to improve on their job.

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"If you chart improvement, we only have gotten better on offense since he came back."

Im going to disagree with you here, I don't think Gibbs offense has only gotten better since he's been here, I think it was pretty pathetic from the get go.

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[quote=skinsguy;254974]This is quite skewed! You have said nothing about Gregg Williams who makes all the decisions about the defense and Joe Gibbs has said this over and over again, yet you say nothing about the defense. You say nothing about the rookie mistake of Jason Campbell throwing the INT when he should've ate the football. You say nothing about Campbell not seeing a wide open Chris Cooley on that drive where we should've scored on. You say nothing about the INT Campbell throws that put the nail in the coffin for us. You say nothing about our thin secondary, the injuries we've had to valuable guys like Springs for instance. All you have to say is it's all Joe Gibbs fault. If this is true, then are you willing to give Joe Gibbs the credit for getting this team in the playoffs and winning a playoff game in his second year back as head coach?

My point is, there are plenty of variables the equate to our losing season. Sure, Joe Gibbs is going to take all the blame, but to answer YOUR poll....everybody is to blame for our team this year. That isn't to say I think everyone needs to be fired, but everybody needs to improve on their job.[/quote]

That makes too much sense.

It's easier to sit back and blame one guy.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254976]"If you chart improvement, we only have gotten better on offense since he came back."

Im going to disagree with you here, I don't think Gibbs offense has only gotten better since he's been here, I think it was pretty pathetic from the get go.[/QUOTE]

Which is why we brought in Al Saunders. But you're still talking about Joe Gibbs' offense, when it isn't Joe Gibbs' offense anymore, nor is it Joe Gibbs' calling the plays.

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[quote=skinsguy;254974]This is quite skewed! You have said nothing about Gregg Williams who makes all the decisions about the defense and Joe Gibbs has said this over and over again, yet you say nothing about the defense. You say nothing about the rookie mistake of Jason Campbell throwing the INT when he should've ate the football. You say nothing about Campbell not seeing a wide open Chris Cooley on that drive where we should've scored on. You say nothing about the INT Campbell throws that put the nail in the coffin for us. You say nothing about our thin secondary, the injuries we've had to valuable guys like Springs for instance. All you have to say is it's all Joe Gibbs fault. If this is true, then are you willing to give Joe Gibbs the credit for getting this team in the playoffs and winning a playoff game in his second year back as head coach?

My point is, there are plenty of variables the equate to our losing season. Sure, Joe Gibbs is going to take all the blame, but to answer YOUR poll....everybody is to blame for our team this year. That isn't to say I think everyone needs to be fired, but everybody needs to improve on their job.[/quote]

Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254976]"If you chart improvement, we only have gotten better on offense since he came back."

Im going to disagree with you here, I don't think Gibbs offense has only gotten better since he's been here, I think it was pretty pathetic from the get go.[/quote]

It was 11th in yardage and 13th in points last year.

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yes, its everyones fault, the fans included!!! Cummmm by yaahhhhh my lord, Cummmm by yaaaahhhhhh

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254980]Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?[/quote]

Nobody was complaining the last two years when he had a top 10 D.

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[quote=Mattyk72;254981]It was 11th in yardage and 13th in points last year.[/quote]


And its 21st in total offense this year.

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What was it in yardage and points during Spurrier?

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254798]Im a Skins fan of over 20 years. Im sick and tired of the poor clock management, poor play calling at the end of the game, and poor personnell decisions. All of these are the responsibility of Joe Gibbs. Thus, reluctantly, I am now of the opinion that he must step down. The play calling and clock management have been atrocious for 3 years now. Good Bye Joe.[/QUOTE]

i loved the playcalling, heavy run, running well, but campbell just didnt execute with a lot of throws and he made a huge mistake that really i think cost us the game, the 1st int. we were on our way to scoring, campbell just didnt execute, i dont fault the coaches.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254984]And its 21st in total offense this year.[/quote]

Right, so how bad was Gibbs' offense then?

It sure hasn't improved under Saunders that's for sure.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254980]Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?[/quote]

Were you complaining about that decision last year or the year before that as well?

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254980]Again. Whose decision was it to bring in Greg Williams and to let Greg Williams have complete autonomy with defensive personnel?[/QUOTE]

This is why your defense is illogical. In an earlier post, you claimed it was Joe Gibbs' decision to get AA, yet in this post you're blaming Joe Gibbs for giving Williams complete autonomy. Again, it's a weak argument. You can put anyone in as head coach you want, and if Saunders and Williams continued to have under achieving offenses and defenses, you would still fire the head coach every year and ignore the coordinators.

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I just got home from the game, and while I had the opportunity to witness another heart breaking loss, at least for this season, that's been the way of the world. There were some good things we did out there today, but our defense leaves al lot to be desired, and I'll just leave it at that.

Since we lost the game today, I could hardly wait to turn on the computer when I got here to see how many fire everybody threads had started, and I wasn't suprised. The difference between the post here this week and last are like night and day.

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Well since you have all the answers Paulskinsfan, who should we hire as coach next year? Whoever it is, I doubt he will be better than Joe Gibbs and the rest of this staff. Gibbs knows what he's doing. He'll get this turned around next year.

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[quote=Longtimefan;254992]I just got home from the game, and while I had the opportunity to witness another heart breaking loss, at least for this season, that's been the way of the world. There were some good things we did out there today, but our defense leaves al lot to be desired, and I'll just leave it at that.

Since we lost the game today, I could hardly wait to turn on the computer when I got here to see how many fire everybody threads had started, and I wasn't suprised. The difference between the post here this week and last are like night and day.[/quote]

LOL welcome to the Jekyll and Hyde world of Redskins fans.

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"i loved the playcalling"

You loved the fact that Swish was sent out there for a 50 yard FG as his first FG attempt with the Skins when we were up by 11 and punting would've pinned them back? You loved how we failed to go to a hurry up offense needing 2 scores with less than 5 minutes to go? You loved how we spiked the ball on the goal line and threw a fade to Thrash while TJ Duckett sits once again on the sideline. Ok, people have different opinions I guess. I did love the run first mentality of the first quarter, that's all I did love.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;254999]"i loved the playcalling"

You loved the fact that Swish was sent out there for a 50 yard FG as his first FG attempt with the Skins when we were up by 11 and punting would've pinned them back? You loved how we failed to go to a hurry up offense needing 2 scores with less than 5 minutes to go? You loved how we spiked the ball on the goal line and threw a fade to Thrash while TJ Duckett sits once again on the sideline. Ok, people have different opinions I guess. I did love the run first mentality of the first quarter, that's all I did love.[/quote]

I think you're referring more to game decisions, not playcalls.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;254999]"i loved the playcalling"

You loved the fact that Swish was sent out there for a 50 yard FG as his first FG attempt with the Skins when we were up by 11 and punting would've pinned them back? You loved how we failed to go to a hurry up offense needing 2 scores with less than 5 minutes to go? You loved how we spiked the ball on the goal line and threw a fade to Thrash while TJ Duckett sits once again on the sideline. Ok, people have different opinions I guess. I did love the run first mentality of the first quarter, that's all I did love.[/QUOTE]

yes, i lvoe the fact we tried the field goal, which he missed by inches. 50 yard field goals are typically taken, every coach would have tried that one...i love the running game we had and the heavy doses, and i love the passing plays that were called. it comes down to execution in the end. the spike at the goal line was very questionable, but as a whole i thought the gameplan was great from an offensive standpoint

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[quote=skinsguy;254991]This is why your defense is illogical. In an earlier post, you claimed it was Joe Gibbs' decision to get AA, yet in this post you're blaming Joe Gibbs for giving Williams complete autonomy. Again, it's a weak argument. You can put anyone in as head coach you want, and if Saunders and Williams continued to have under achieving offenses and defenses, you would still fire the head coach every year and ignore the coordinators.[/quote]


I never ever ever claimed that it was Joe Gibbs decesion to get AA. What I said was that if Joe Gibbs is going to give his defensive cord. autonomy to select the players he wants, then Joe Gibbs is ultimately responsible. Plain and simple. If a CEO fails to perform, he is ultimately responsible to the shareholders. Joe Gibbs is to blame, he must be held responsible, otherwise the "head coach" title is meaningless.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255004]I never ever ever claimed that it was Joe Gibbs decesion to get AA. What I said was that if Joe Gibbs is going to give his defensive cord. autonomy to select the players he wants, then Joe Gibbs is ultimately responsible. Plain and simple. If a CEO fails to perform, he is ultimately responsible to the shareholders. Joe Gibbs is to blame, he must be held responsible, otherwise the "head coach" title is meaningless.[/quote]

By the way, when was the last time a head coach was fired in the NFL and both defensive and offensive coordinators stuck around? Never. Firing the Coach cleans house generally.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255008]By the way, when was the last time a head coach was fired in the NFL and both defensive and offensive coordinators stuck around? Never. Firing the Coach cleans house generally.[/quote]
Who said that both coordinators would stick around? And does this mean that you don't want to clean house or what?

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[quote=steveo395;255009]Who said that both coordinators would stick around? And does this mean that you don't want to clean house or what?[/quote]

He's quoting himself, he's obviously losing it.

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It is Threads like this that caused Gibbs to change a playoff team into what we have now.

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[quote=steveo395;255009]Who said that both coordinators would stick around? And does this mean that you don't want to clean house or what?[/quote]

No, sorry for the confusion. The other guy said it would be pointless to fire the HC and leave the coordinators. I responded by asking this question, because if you get rid of the HC you almost always clean house, unless you hire one of the coordinators as the new HC.