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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;260213]Then he made another horrible move by not moving Marvin Lewis to head coach.........[/QUOTE]

That was the true dumb move. Marty is a career postseason choker. I hope San Diego isn't expecting anything.

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[quote=jsarno;260230]That was the true dumb move. Marty is a career postseason choker. I hope San Diego isn't expecting anything.[/quote]

Yea, you're right it was Marty's fault that Earnest Byner fumbled on the 1 yard line. Its a fine line b/n winning and losing. Sometimes the chips just don't fall where you would like them too.

Snyder's worst mistake was letting Marty go. Last time i checked Marty was doing fairly well.

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[quote=jsarno;260230]That was the true dumb move. Marty is a career postseason choker. I hope San Diego isn't expecting anything.[/quote]
Even Martyball won't derail the San Diego express from riding all the way to the Super Bowl this year. The Chargers are loaded on both sides of the ball. I love their D-line, and when you add the closest thing to the original LT in Merriman, they are a QB's nightmare.

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[quote=redsk1;260234]Yea, you're right it was Marty's fault that Earnest Byner fumbled on the 1 yard line. Its a fine line b/n winning and losing. Sometimes the chips just don't fall where you would like them too.

Snyder's worst mistake was letting Marty go. Last time i checked Marty was doing fairly well.[/quote]

.....and Nick Kaeding missed a thirty-something yard field goal.....

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[QUOTE=redsk1;260234]Yea, you're right it was Marty's fault that Earnest Byner fumbled on the 1 yard line. Its a fine line b/n winning and losing. Sometimes the chips just don't fall where you would like them too.

Snyder's worst mistake was letting Marty go. Last time i checked Marty was doing fairly well. Letting Marvin Lewis go is a close 2nd.[/QUOTE]

What was he supposed to do to keep Lewis? As for Marty, yeah it sucks it didn't work out. But I look at it as overall we got the better end of the San Diego-Redskins coaching swap (granted it's a two decade difference)

I'll bet San Diego fans in the 1980s were bitching and moaning that the Chargers let go of their hotshot young offensive coordinator

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[QUOTE=redsk1;260234]Yea, you're right it was Marty's fault that Earnest Byner fumbled on the 1 yard line. Its a fine line b/n winning and losing. Sometimes the chips just don't fall where you would like them too.

Snyder's worst mistake was letting Marty go. Last time i checked Marty was doing fairly well.[/QUOTE]

Let me paint a picture for you.
1995, KC 13-3, great team, lost first round. 12th offense, 1st defense.
1997, KC 13-3, great team, lost first round. 6th offense, 1st defense.
2004, SD 12-4, great team, lost first round. 3rd offense, 11th defense.

ps- they are 1st in offense, and 12th in defense this year.

By the way, those were the last 3 years his team made a playoff appearance. He's 5-12 in career playoff games.
Marty is a choker.

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[quote=TAFKAS;260239]What was he supposed to do to keep Lewis? As for Marty, yeah it sucks it didn't work out. But I look at it as overall we got the better end of the San Diego-Redskins coaching swap (granted it's a two decade difference)

I'll bet San Diego fans in the 1980s were bitching and moaning that the Chargers let go of their hotshot young offensive coordinator[/quote]

If snyder wanted him to be the head coach, he woulda made sure he got him. Marvin was looking for a head coaching position, snyder wanted spurrier cause he was blinded by his love of the old ball coach, but the real coaching talent was right under his nose....he shoulda promoted ML to head coach.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;260235]Even Martyball won't derail the San Diego express from riding all the way to the Super Bowl this year. The Chargers are loaded on both sides of the ball. I love their D-line, and when you add the closest thing to the original LT in Merriman, they are a QB's nightmare.[/QUOTE]

Mark my words, they will not win the super bowl.
See my above comment, 12th in defense. Merriman can't do it all alone. They are good on D, but not great.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;260242]If snyder wanted him to be the head coach, he woulda made sure he got him. Marvin was looking for a head coaching position, snyder wanted spurrier cause he was blinded by his love of the old ball coach, but the real coaching talent was right under his nose....he shoulda promoted ML to head coach.[/QUOTE]

Uh oh, I am agreeing with Zimmerman.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;260242]If snyder wanted him to be the head coach, he woulda made sure he got him. Marvin was looking for a head coaching position, snyder wanted spurrier cause he was blinded by his love of the old ball coach, but the real coaching talent was right under his nose....he shoulda promoted ML to head coach.[/QUOTE]

The whole NFL was in love with OBC, that's why he got such good money.

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My reason that they won't win it all is PHILIP RIVERS, we will see if he can mount a last minutes comeback drive when the time comes

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Czabe's article is a little negative for me but i kindof understand a little where he's coming from. It's called venting for another bad-mediocre season. This makes about 12 or so bad-mediocre seasons out of 14. While I don't agree w/ alot in there I do "feel his pain."

I'm a Gibbs guy. I watched Gibbs 1 and the thing that I remember is killing teams. Scoring points. Throwing downfield w/ a tremendous running game. I don't remember us just trying to stay in games. When Jay Schroeder came in, guess what we did, go deep. So i do agree that Gibbs is alot more conservative than i remember. So yea, Gibbs seems a little scared at times and quite honest not done such a good job at managing the game clock too.

I'm trying to keep the faith but sometimes you gotta vent.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;260246]My reason that they won't win it all is PHILIP RIVERS, we will see if he can mount a last minutes comeback drive when the time comes[/QUOTE]

Nah, it's Marty! Rivers will be the goat, but it will be Marty.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;260249]Czabe's article is a little negative for me but i kindof understand a little where he's coming from. It's called venting for another bad-mediocre season. This makes about 12 or so bad-mediocre seasons out of 14. While I don't agree w/ alot in there I do "feel his pain."

I'm a Gibbs guy. I watched Gibbs 1 and the thing that I remember is killing teams. Scoring points. Throwing downfield w/ a tremendous running game. I don't remember us just trying to stay in games. When Jay Schroeder came in, guess what we did, go deep. So i do agree that Gibbs is alot more conservative than i remember. So yea, Gibbs seems a little scared at times and quite honest not done such a good job at managing the game clock too.

I'm trying to keep the faith but sometimes you gotta vent.[/QUOTE]

Back then, while throwing deep, we controlled the clock. Gibbs is obsessed with Time of Possession. While it generally helps to win a game, we have proven that it doesn't even come close to guarenteeing a win.

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[quote=TAFKAS;260239]What was he supposed to do to keep Lewis? As for Marty, yeah it sucks it didn't work out. But I look at it as overall we got the better end of the San Diego-Redskins coaching swap (granted it's a two decade difference)

I'll bet San Diego fans in the 1980s were bitching and moaning that the Chargers let go of their hotshot young offensive coordinator[/quote]

Yea, you're right, i couldn't remember which year Lewis left.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;260242]If snyder wanted him to be the head coach, he woulda made sure he got him. Marvin was looking for a head coaching position, snyder wanted spurrier cause he was blinded by his love of the old ball coach, but the real coaching talent was right under his nose....he shoulda promoted ML to head coach.[/QUOTE]

Promoted him when? In case you've forgotten, between the 2001 and 2002 season the Tampa Bay Bucs offered Steve Spurrier the head coaching job. He took our job when we gave him more money. They went after and offered the job to Marvin Lewis, but the owners and the general manager disagreed on whether another defensive minded coach after Dungy was right, so he was out too. So then the Redskins scooped him up. Lewis had a solid year with us and got his well deserved opportunity to be a head coach.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;260249]Czabe's article is a little negative for me but i kindof understand a little where he's coming from. It's called venting for another bad-mediocre season. This makes about 12 or so bad-mediocre seasons out of 14. While I don't agree w/ alot in there I do "feel his pain."

I'm a Gibbs guy. I watched Gibbs 1 and the thing that I remember is killing teams. Scoring points. Throwing downfield w/ a tremendous running game. I don't remember us just trying to stay in games. When Jay Schroeder came in, guess what we did, go deep. So i do agree that Gibbs is alot more conservative than i remember. So yea, Gibbs seems a little scared at times and quite honest not done such a good job at managing the game clock too.

I'm trying to keep the faith but sometimes you gotta vent.[/QUOTE]

I agree, Czab's take is a bit negative but like you said 12 duds out of 14 does not give a skins fan much to be positive about and Czab is a skins fan.

Again I think skins fans have become used to losing now and when someone points out how far they have fallen and does it with some passion then it's perceived as too negative because they have become used to thinking next year will be better.

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[QUOTE=irish;260268]

Again I think skins fans have become used to losing now and when someone points out how far they have fallen and does it with some passion then it's perceived as too negative because they have become used to thinking next year will be better.[/QUOTE]

It WILL be.
We are a collective group of Skins lovers. We do not care if we go winless, we will still be there in our burgandy and gold to support our team, and we wear our jersey's out in public getting ridacule during the week. If we do not think positive of our Skins chances, then who will.
I don't know about you guys, but every year I will feel we have a good shot.

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[quote=jsarno;260271]It WILL be.
We are a collective group of Skins lovers. We do not care if we go winless, we will still be there in our burgandy and gold to support our team, [I][B]and we wear our jersey's out in public getting ridacule during the week.[/B] [/I]If we do not think positive of our Skins chances, then who will.
I don't know about you guys, but every year I will feel we have a good shot.[/quote]


Dude, you are seriously scaring me.....do you live with your parents?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;260271]It WILL be.
We are a collective group of Skins lovers. We do not care if we go winless, we will still be there in our burgandy and gold to support our team, and we wear our jersey's out in public getting ridacule during the week. If we do not think positive of our Skins chances, then who will.
I don't know about you guys, but every year I will feel we have a good shot.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for proving my point.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;260273]Dude, you are seriously scaring me.....do you live with your parents?[/QUOTE]

What?
Why? Cause I wear my Skins jerseys out in public? I'm 31 years old and have been married almost 10 years. There is not a single soul that knows me that doesn't realize that I am a skins fan. Maybe I am a bit fanatical, but so what? We are on a REDSKINS WEBSITE, TALKING REDSKINS. If wearing a jersey is fanatical or childish, then so is being on this website. There is nothing wrong with being a fan.

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[QUOTE=irish;260274]Thanks for proving my point.[/QUOTE]

Deep down, I bet we all feel that way...including you. Even being as knowledgable as we are, we are consummate fans.

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we lost this week so I'm more on the negative side, if we win next week, ill be more on the positive side.....that's how being a fan works.

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What's wrong with wearing a jersey?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;260290]What's wrong with wearing a jersey?[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one.

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[quote=jsarno;260240]Let me paint a picture for you.
1995, KC 13-3, great team, lost first round. 12th offense, 1st defense.
1997, KC 13-3, great team, lost first round. 6th offense, 1st defense.
2004, SD 12-4, great team, lost first round. 3rd offense, 11th defense.

ps- they are 1st in offense, and 12th in defense this year.

By the way, those were the last 3 years his team made a playoff appearance. He's 5-12 in career playoff games.
Marty is a choker.[/quote]

Marty got the shaft in Washington. Just when he was turning the corner with this bunch of overpaid underacheiving misfits, Snyder pulled the rug from under his feet and hired the Old Ball Coach Spurrier. What a disaster. I would rather keep going to the playoffs every year and choking as opposed to never making the playoffs with the Old Ball Coach.

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[quote=NM Redskin;260097]Here is why we don't need a GM: Rocky McIntosh, Kedrick Golston,Carlos Rogers,Jason Campbell,Sean Taylor,Chris Cooley. I think the Front office has made pretty darn good picks. Before that we hadn't had a good draft since 2000.[/quote]
This is over three years , and to get these players we used {4 }1st rd picks , {4} 2nd rd picks , a third , a 4th , one 5th & 6th rd pick . Most gms would have built a complete defence with that many hight picks . We have paid 10's of millions more in signing bonus's than our division opp's and we have maybe one pick in the upcoming drafts first 4 rounds . That does not included the $$$$'s and 6 draft picks invested in Brunnell ,Loyd & M. White . Since letting Pierce walk , we have spent 6 draft picks on Lb's , if they don't think they need to change ,,, are we going to see a change in the team we see on the field ?

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[quote=jsarno;260230]That was the true dumb move. Marty is a career postseason choker. I hope San Diego isn't expecting anything.[/quote] So Marty is 10 - 2 , has a loaded roster , is about 12 million under the cap , a draft full of picks ,,,,, we are 4 - 8 , very little cap room , no depth at OL , a weak secondary , poor pass rush and very few draft picks ,,, but Marty is the " dumb " one . He had our cap in order . And having to ask your players to restructure every year is risky . Does anyone think that guys like CP , S. Taylor are going to stay here if we keep losing , when they can hit F/A , get big bucks from a team that is improving ? Hope like hell that JC is an awsome qb next year !

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins;260326]Marty got the shaft in Washington. Just when he was turning the corner with this bunch of overpaid underacheiving misfits, Snyder pulled the rug from under his feet and hired the Old Ball Coach Spurrier. What a disaster. I would rather keep going to the playoffs every year and choking as opposed to never making the playoffs with the Old Ball Coach.[/QUOTE]

I will not deny that the rug was pulled out from under him...but EVERYONE hated him, including the soft spoken Darryl Green. Nuff said.

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Hey, nothin wrong with wearing a jersey on game day or to the stadium, but when you wear one out in public during the week it just seems gay to me...not that theres anything wrong with that, but IMO it just doesn't seem right. Game day, good, out on a date with the wife, bad.

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[QUOTE=budw38;260338]So Marty is 10 - 2 , has a loaded roster , is about 12 million under the cap , a draft full of picks ,,,,, we are 4 - 8 , very little cap room , no depth at OL , a weak secondary , poor pass rush and very few draft picks ,,, but Marty is the " dumb " one . He had our cap in order . And having to ask your players to restructure every year is risky . Does anyone think that guys like CP , S. Taylor are going to stay here if we keep losing , when they can hit F/A , get big bucks from a team that is improving ? Hope like hell that JC is an awsome qb next year ![/QUOTE]

Who said Marty was "dumb"? I said letting Marvin Lewis go was dumb...and Marty was a choke artist.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;260349]Hey, nothin wrong with wearing a jersey on game day or to the stadium, but when you wear one out in public during the week it just seems gay to me...not that theres anything wrong with that, but IMO it just doesn't seem right. Game day, good, out on a date with the wife, bad.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. If the wife and I go out to eat somewhere, I wear appropriate clothing, however, if we're heading to Wal-Mart, a jersey goes on.

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[quote=TAFKAS;260219]What do you mean? He should have fired Spurrier after one year and moved Lewis to head coach?[/quote]

No. He should have just hired Marvin Lewis to begin with.

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[quote=jsarno;260350]Who said Marty was "dumb"? I said letting Marvin Lewis go was dumb...and Marty was a choke artist.[/quote] My bad . I like Gibbs , just wish we had a GM , or would stop trading so many draft picks away . Keep wearing that jersey , I acually have a Sunny Jurgenson #9 jersey , have had that thing for 30 years . Just of note , the Jersey is just about too small for me to wear , but of course I have # 44 .

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Czabe's article was right on the money. I still think people are blinded by Gibbs 1.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;260350]Who said Marty was "dumb"? I said letting Marvin Lewis go was dumb...and Marty was a choke artist.[/QUOTE]

Why is that? He ended his one season with the Redskins at 8-8...after starting 0-5. Snyder should've given him a couple more years, I think he would've had the team playing at the level as what he has San Diego playing at now. Of course, I'm happy we have Joe Gibbs, but firing Marty in favor for Steve Spurrier was a bone-headed move!

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Yeah, with a pattycake schedule in the second half. I loved him because he showed no respect to Darrell Green, got rid of a lot of the long-time coaches and replaced them with his family, and he got rid of players who "didn't fit his system". (E.g. Larry Centers, James Thrash)(Mike Sellers also left that year, but I don't know Marty's line on that one.)

And you knew if you were behind the game was lost. He looks better now because he "opened up the offense" in San Diego this year. This may be because he's seeing what Brees can do in New Orleans without a straightjacket on him. And until this year, San Diego was a team that always "underperformed." I'm glad he got rid of Mr. Schittenheinie.

[quote=JDALY27;260212]I'm a Gibbs guy but the worst move Snyder made was years back. He fired Marty after 1 year. He started 0-5 and finished 8-8. With TONY BANKS!!!!! Fired him for Spurrier, horrible move.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=mike340;260389]Yeah, with a pattycake schedule in the second half. I loved him because he showed no respect to Darrell Green, got rid of a lot of the long-time coaches and replaced them with his family, and he got rid of players who "didn't fit his system". (E.g. Larry Centers, James Thrash)(Mike Sellers also left that year, but I don't know Marty's line on that one.)

And you knew if you were behind the game was lost. He looks better now because he "opened up the offense" in San Diego this year. This may be because he's seeing what Brees can do in New Orleans without a straightjacket on him. And until this year, San Diego was a team that always "underperformed." I'm glad he got rid of Mr. Schittenheinie.[/QUOTE]

Well, in the NFL, it's any given Sunday, and Patty cake schedule or not, Shotty got the job done the second half of the year. Like him or not, choosing Spurrier was a bad move.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;260388]Why is that? He ended his one season with the Redskins at 8-8...after starting 0-5. Snyder should've given him a couple more years, I think he would've had the team playing at the level as what he has San Diego playing at now. Of course, I'm happy we have Joe Gibbs, but firing Marty in favor for Steve Spurrier was a bone-headed move![/QUOTE]

Well, hindsight is 20/20. We all were thrilled about Spurrier, and most of us were happy to get rid of Marty. He had several issues. If Darryl Green said he was a cancer to the team, then I tend to believe Mr. Green.

If you're asking why Marty is a choke artist, please go back one page and view my post on his stats on his playoff record.