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a redskin won't get to the hall until danny is no longer our owner. It is a bias agianst Danny and the whole team has to suffer. these same guys who say it is time for monk to get in on tv probrally sit in that room and vote agianst him when it is all said and done

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Monk had no memorable catches? The most memorable thing about Michael Irvin catching the ball was that he most likely had just finished pushing off the DB.
I fear that Monk's chances at the Hall slip each year he is denied. I can see myself explaining to my son how great this guy was when Monk is in the "seniors" pool in 2025...

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There has to be some serious, well thought out protest as to why Monk hasn't been elected.

Let's face it, the media has spoken out; From ESPN to Fox to the NFL Today on down to the local sports pundits. I've heard them all get about as angry as one can get on public television. I've heard non-Redskins such as Howie Long, Tom Jackson, Steve Young, to just about every former Skin and coach make their thoughts known and what a travesty this is. Now how is it that all of these people, non-football and tons of former players are wrong, and yet these 39 so called 'writers' are correct?

Art Monk was Jerry Rice before Jerry Rice was. Art Monk personified class back then, the way people [I]oooh [/I]and [I]ahhh [/I]over Marvin Harrison today. Every single year when he get's snubbed, it's as if it's a suprise, but yet it isn't. He's constantly at the top of the 'snubbed' lists.

Soooo...if the media gets it, and they've chimed in, the Skins from top to bottom have voiced their opinion, we're really the only ones left to take a firm stance on the issue. I don't know, guys. But what I do know is, if Monk gets elected to Canton next year or next week!, it still won't be the same to me - it just won't.

The Hall of Fame means nothing to me now. It's just a building, a hollow building filled with nothing more than football memorabilia, yet no real sense of respect for the game or the players that have made it great. They should really turn it into some type of "museum" or perhaps a 'throwback' football jersey store. I really mean that. There is no way one can rightfully justify calling it the pro football hall of fame, and not elect the players that have made the biggest statistical contribution and have epitomized professionlism.

It's funny because many of Monk's stats are in the hall, but he isn't. Frankly, I think Art has probably moved on at this point. He's said nothing, as well he shouldn't. But the fans have to say something, and not on these dumb ass polls that the same guys who do the voting control.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;274639]81 Reasons to Induct Art Monk (from another website).

1) 12,721 Receiving Yards (#9 all time, eight years after retirement)
2) 940 Receptions ( was #1, is now #5 eight years after retiring)
3) 68 Receiving Touchdowns (still in top 30, all time)
4) 224 Games played
5) Caught at least one pass in 183 consecutive games (once a record)
6) Helped Washington to three SB victories in four appearances.
7) Three consecutive Pro Bowl Selections
8) “Art was Jerry Rice before Jerry Rice was” – Joe Theismann
9) Record of 106 receptions in 1984 stood for eight years.
10) “Quiet about his work, very loud with his results” - Mark Rypien
11) First to record 106 receptions in one season
12) First to catch at least one pass in 164 consecutive games
13) First to catch more than 900 passes.
14) Caught 58 passes as a rookie, unanimous All-Rookie Selection
15) Redskins 1984 MVP
16) 50 or more reception in a season 9 times
17) 1,000 or more yards receiving in a season 5 times
18) Master of the medium route over the middle, aka “No Man’s Land”
19) First Redskin to produce 3 consecutive 1,000-yard seasons
20) Prototype for the modern receiver
21) 3-time 1st or 2nd team All-NFC Team selection
22) In ‘85, named to the Pro Football Weekly All-Pro Team
23) In ‘85, named to the Associated Press All-Pro Team
24) In ‘85, named to the UPI All-NFL Team
25) In ‘86, named to the UPI All-NFC Team
26) Founded the Good Samaritan Foundation, with teammates.
27) 1, 062 Playoff yards
28) Largent, Lofton and Stallworth are already in.
29) The consummate pro; made the big catch, went back to the huddle.
30) Not a “Hot Dog”; let his play on the field do all the talking.
31) Nicknamed “Money” by teammates, “Artist” by the fans
32) Founded the Student Training Opportunity Program, with teammates
33) Started the Art Monk Football Camp” in 1983, and it’s still going.
34) 16-year career, 0 arrests.
35) Named to TSN’s “100 Greatest Football Players” list
36) Never once disappointed the team or the fans, on the field or off.
37) A first round draft pick that played like a first round draft pick.
38) Has more career catches than anyone currently in the Hall.
39) Putting loud jerks in over Monk sends the wrong message to kids.
40) Art does not lobby to get himself inducted
41) First down machine on 3rd and long
42) Still holds the club record for catches in a season (106)
43) Still holds the club record for passes caught in a game (13, twice)
44) Honored as one of the “Washingtonians of the Year” in 1992
45) Focuses on the forgotten “high school aged” youth in DC.
46) “I don’t know about the criteria, but whatever it is, I believe Art has achieved it” –Joe Theismann
47) “He was big, he was strong, and he was intelligent. He had everything”-Joe Gibbs, HOF inductee
48) “Art Monk was an example for Jerry Rice. That’s what Jerry always told me.”- Ronnie Lott, HOF inductee
49) “There’s nothing negative to say. He has the numbers, the catches, the championships.” –Lott
50) “Spend a day with Art Monk, and your life will improve by 10%”- Theismann
51) “You have a Hall of Fame for all it represents. I know he represents all that it’s about. Integrity, love and passion for the game, community, what he gave back. Look how he conducted himself. Nobody I know deserves it more.” –Lott
52) If he doesn’t get in, they might as well close the Hall.
53) “There was never a classier player in this franchise’s history, or in league history, than Art Monk. You always knew the team would be getting Art Monk’s best effort day in and day out.” –Charlie Casserly
54) “Monk is headed to Canton downhill on roller skates”- Bill Parcells, 1995
55) Only one other player, linebacker Monte Coleman, has been on the field for the Redskins more than Monk.
56) Art Monk is almost as proud of his relative anonymity as he is the record-setting numbers he compiled over a 16-year NFL career.
57) When Monk spoke, it was usually with tough catches in the clutch moments of big games.
58) Nothing came naturally for Monk, who spent countless hours on the practice field and many more behind the projector.
59) I never saw Monk drop a pass. Period.
60) Monk’s 40-yard catch with eight minutes left in the first quarter of SBXXII was Doug Williams’ first completion of what would be a record setting game.
61) Named in a 1992 poll during the team’s 50th Anniversary Season as the most popular Redskin of all time.
62) Participates in a “Kid’s Fishing Day” for underprivileged kids
63) Has performed with the National Symphony Orchestra, reciting children’s fairy tales with musical accompaniment.
64) “He’s more than just his receptions. Few players have been able to achieve what he’s achieved.” –Richie Petitbon
65) “He is a gifted athlete who takes great care of himself. He’s a guy who works at his craft, and responds to any challenge. However, he does it so quietly that his accomplishments are sometimes overlooked.”- Joe Gibbs
66) Selected to the 1989 All-Madden Team
67) Early in his career, Art arranged and scheduled charity basketball games for the Redskins.
68) “I can’t see how a receiver could be more valuable to a team.” –Gibbs
69) Fame is often hard earned. Character is often elusive to define. A man of great character himself, Art Monk encompasses what it means to be a candidate for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
70) Monk wasn’t a “SportsCenter” type of receiver — more like a “Masterpiece Theatre” type.
71) You wouldn’t see Monk pull out a Sharpie to sign a ball after scoring a touchdown.
72) “He embodied the old school, and for that alone he should be enshrined so that when a father takes his son through the Hall of Fame, he can say, “Son, here is a man who once caught 106 passes in a season when no one was catching 100 passes. Here was a man who caught a pass in 183 straight games. And not once did he ever pull a cell phone out to make a call after any of those catches.” –Thomas Loverro, Washington Times
73) Football is a game of first downs and Monk was the receiver who would move the chains.
74) He has since been passed in this pass-crazy era, but in the context of when he played, Art Monk was a Hall of Fame receiver.
75) He did this while never playing with a Hall of Fame-caliber quarterback.
76) Critics will say Monk benefited from playing in Joe Gibbs’ system. What might be the case is that the Gibbs system benefited from having Monk.
77) “I believe he’s a Hall of Famer. I was a pro scout when he was playing, so it was my job to know who those guys were. I would put Art in that category, but apparently there are a lot of Hall of Fame voters who don’t feel Art Monk was in that category. It’s hard for me to believe they ever saw him play.” –Bill Polian, President Indianapolis Colts
78) He was the anti-Terrell Owens.
79) He was the standard-bearer, the mold-maker and the receiver every team of his era wished they’d had.
80) He’s already a Hall Of Famer off the field.
81) It’s time.[/quote]

[SIZE=5]AMEN!!!!![/SIZE]

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what's so great about art anyways? all abstract and shit.

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You know what is absolute proof that the Hall voting is horseshit?

Stallworth and Swann are Hall of Famers. The fact that those two are in and Monk isn't shows that the Hall of Fame has zero credibility.

catches - yards - TDs - Pro-bowls - Championships
Monk 940- 12721 - 68 - 3 - 3
Stallworth 537 - 8723 - 63 - 3 4
Swann 336 - 5462 - 51 - 3 - 4

Just for a frame of reference....
Clark 699 - 10856 - 68 - 4 - 2

and last but not least.... Every prostitute's favorite family man.... The Captain of Crack/Cocaine. Michael Irvin

Irvin 750 - 11904 - 65 - 5 - 3

Monk even beats Captain Crackpipe in every category except Pro-bowls (another beauty contest).


The Hall of Fame 90% popularity and 10% production.

Hall of Fame voters can go f*ck themselves if you ask me. In reality, the award means nothing.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;274837]You know what is absolute proof that the Hall voting is horseshit?

Stallworth and Swann are Hall of Famers. The fact that those two are in and Monk isn't shows that the Hall of Fame has zero credibility.

catches - yards - TDs - Pro-bowls - Championships
Monk 940- 12721 - 68 - 3 - 3
Stallworth 537 - 8723 - 63 - 3 4
Swann 336 - 5462 - 51 - 3 - 4

Just for a frame of reference....
Clark 699 - 10856 - 68 - 4 - 2

and last but not least.... Every prostitute's favorite family man.... The Captain of Crack/Cocaine. Michael Irvin

Irvin 750 - 11904 - 65 - 5 - 3

Monk even beats Captain Crackpipe in every category except Pro-bowls (another beauty contest).


The Hall of Fame 90% popularity and 10% production.

Hall of Fame voters can go f*ck themselves if you ask me. In reality, the award means nothing.[/QUOTE]

If Art Monk ever gets in, can you imagine the size of the crowd that would bum rush Akron, Ohio? I don't think any of those bastards who voted against him want to see that.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;274787]i am the opposite of this. i think players should be judged solely on the ability to play whatever sport they are talented in. but going strictly by stats alone, how is monk not in?[/QUOTE]

Going strictly by stats alone, there is no excuse. How the person plays the game can be interpreted in several different ways. Both WRs helped their team to win 3 Super Bowl championships, so Irvins has no edge there. As far as making spectacular catches, well, that is a matter of opinion. No matter how one will try to argue against Monk, there are just as many reasons...actually twice as many reasons for Monk to be in the HoF. It comes down to the fact that Michael Irvins is keeping himself fresh in the media's mind by being a football analyst. If Monk had done the samething, he would have been in the Hall much sooner. It's really all about hall of fame voting being a big fat joke. If you give the media what they want, they will return the favor. If you fall off the face of the earth after your career, you are forgotten. It is just as simple as that. That is why I say those who vote players in should take the player as a person in as high of regards, as the guy being the football player. As much as I loved Manley's aggression on the field, I would not support him being in the HoF with the way he led is life off the field. The same could be said for the original L.T. I believe truly great players are those who were great players on the field, and great people off the field. Those are the guys I'd want my kids looking up to.

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I'm so effin pissed. I've spent way to much time commiserating with basically everyone that isn't a HOF voter.

I'm so disgusted with the NFL right now.

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NFL should tighten up on PRO BOWL and HOF admissions. TOTAL BS. Makes me wanna get into the NBA or something more fun, cause this shzit it BS!!!

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What's the big deal? We all knew the Hall had no credibility anyways. Who the hell cares if some dumbass sports writers think he isn't one of the greats? A person's character and worth is not determined by the perception of others.

If I were Monk, I'd ask to have my name removed from all future ballots. I'd boycott. Also, if I were a player in the Hall, I'd ask to have my bust removed until Monk was inducted. Remember the movie "Rudy", were all the players asked the coach to let Rudy play for them? Something like that.

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I doubt this will happen but wouldn't it be great if next year Russ Grimm, Art Monk and Darrell Green all go in? I would like that. It might ease some of the pain we had to endure for Monk. What yall think?

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;274951]I doubt this will happen but wouldn't it be great if next year Russ Grimm, Art Monk and Darrell Green all go in? I would like that. It might ease some of the pain we had to endure for Monk. What yall think?[/quote]


As far fetched as that fantasy is...I'd actually travel up to Canton for that induction regardless of cost.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;274951]I doubt this will happen but wouldn't it be great if next year Russ Grimm, Art Monk and Darrell Green all go in? I would like that. It might ease some of the pain we had to endure for Monk. What yall think?[/quote]


DG - as much as I would want that to happen I think Monk will not go in due to the vote being decided by a bunch of idiots. I saw that Dr. Z basically said Monks chances will now diminsh because todays WR's numbers are getting bigger and bigger and that would in turn make Monks numbers not as good - these guys are crazy if you ask me.

Also I saw that Cris Carter will be in the ballot next year and will get the nod over Monk as well. To me to have one Redskin player (Riggo) in the HOF is about as dumb minded as it gets - how do these guys get the jobs they are in is beyond me.

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[quote=Bill B;275038]me to have one Redskin player (Riggo) in the HOF is about as dumb minded as it gets - how do these guys get the jobs they are in is beyond me.[/quote]

I'm assuming you don't actually mean there's only one Redskin in the Hall of Fame, as there are like 15... maybe you meant only one player from that Championship era?

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[quote=squrrelco3;275027]As far fetched as that fantasy is...I'd actually travel up to Canton for that induction regardless of cost.[/quote]

I've always said I'd make the trek if/when Art was inducted. In fact, I think ever fan whose ever cheered him should -- and by that calculation, it should be at least 55k (counting RFK numbers).

As for costs, it's in the middle of Ohio for god's sake. how much could it cost.

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If your a fan of any team in the NFL East during the 80's you know that Art Monk belongs in the HOF!It's not the club records the're looking at to me the're looking at the pro-bowls and such.They should have made Irvin wait another 10 years.

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[quote=dgack;275048]I'm assuming you don't actually mean there's only one Redskin in the Hall of Fame, as there are like 15... maybe you meant only one player from that Championship era?[/quote]


My bad - that is exactly what I meant - the 80's-early 90's.

Also, not one Hog in the HOF - how can that be? I guess the voters excuse on that one is the Hogs did not have a "signature block".

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What a crock, though I can't say I'm surprised.

Crackhead Irvin and Thurman friggin Thomas. Unbelievable.

The way these guys vote, Samuels is gonna get in before Monk.

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And Charlie Sanders? Granted, he was way before my time, but I've already heard from some people that as good as Sanders was, there's no way he should be in before Monk.

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[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/02/05/super.bowl/3.html"]The latest from Peter King[/URL], not sounding good for our boy Arthur Monk.

"A good man and legitimate Hall of Famer is being denied entry for reasons we never know, by people who secretly vote. Art Monk is a Hall of Famer by any measure. This is not right."
-- Washington owner Dan Snyder.

Dan, not a bad point. As one of the 40 Hall selectors, I'd love to see Hall voting be opened up so we would be accountable in such an important election for how we stand. But what happened to Monk, in my opinion, is mostly bad. Good for Monk: The major roadblock in front of him, Michael Irvin, is no longer a roadblock; he's in. Bad for Monk: Next year comes Cris Carter, with 161 more catches, five more Pro Bowls and 62 more touchdowns in the same number of seasons. Then Tim Brown, with 154 more catches, and the stat race is on. Every year, Monk will fall farther behind in the numbers game. As someone who changed his mind on Monk and strongly advocated him this year (unquestioned leader on a three-time Super Bowl champ, superb downfield blocker, retired as the all-time receptions leader, never squawked for the ball with some other me guys in the locker room), I think it's going to be tough to get him in if he hasn't gotten in by now.

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What a f*cker. So now that the goledn boy PK has decided to vote for him it is too late. Thanks for nothing you worthless piece of crap. You helped keep him out.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;275195]What a f*cker. So now that the goledn boy PK has decided to vote for him it is too late. Thanks for nothing you worthless piece of crap. You helped keep him out.[/QUOTE]

I don't buy into the argument that Peter King has singlehandedly kept Monk out. He wasn't in favor of it for a long time, but apparently he wasn't alone.

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[quote=Beemnseven;275198]I don't buy into the argument that Peter King has singlehandedly kept Monk out. He wasn't in favor of it for a long time, but apparently he wasn't alone.[/quote]

Isn't it a little coincidental that right when he decides Monk is worthy of HOF consideration a new crop of receivers with better stats will be eligible? I think he doesn't want to receive any more heat for being regarded as a major opponent of his selection for the past number of years. He's a chicken-sh*t coward that's trying to cover his gluteous maximus using superficial public relations tactics.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;275198]I don't buy into the argument that Peter King has singlehandedly kept Monk out. He wasn't in favor of it for a long time, but apparently he wasn't alone.[/QUOTE]

Shefter explained that certain members hold sway over many other members and for years we have heard that PK is one of those people. I think you could make an argument that HE DID singlehandedly keep him out and now that there are other WR who will get in it seems disingenuous to change your mind when you know it is going to be even harder.

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Like it or not, PK may actually hold the key for AM to get in. perhaps he will do a little good will and spin doctoring to help his cause? Who knows

disingenuous...............nice

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PK isn't soley responsible, but to think that his opinions don't carry alot of weight with HOF voters is pretty silly.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;275200]Isn't it a little coincidental that right when he decides Monk is worthy of HOF consideration a new crop of receivers with better stats will be eligible? I think he doesn't want to receive any more heat for being regarded as a major opponent of his selection for the past number of years. He's a chicken-sh*t coward that's trying to cover his gluteous maximus using superficial public relations tactics.[/QUOTE]

Those were my thoughts exactly.

Also, just because he says that he "changed his mind", and has "advocated" for Monk doesn't mean that he actually voted for him. The writers can only vote for a limited number of players each year.

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Schlereth kickin' Colin's ass NOW over the MONK scenario on Triple-x

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I'm not sure why comparing Monk to guys like Carter or Brown is really fair anyway. These guys played in a different era than Monk. When Carter and Brown were both racking up the catches it came in a time when the NFL was definitely much more pass oriented.

Just another excuse to prepare us for when Monk gets screwed again next year.

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[quote=Hog1;275217]Schlereth kickin' Colin's ass NOW over the MONK scenario on Triple-x[/quote]

Stink has been very outspoken in his support for Monk.

Give us a summary of what was said if you can.

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it's good to hear!
You are correct, the player has to be compared with records and play that occurred in his time. Monk retired as the all time leading reciever in number of catches. It makes no difference what that mark is today. He is still in the top 6 or 8 top recievers of all time. Makes NO sense. I can understand trying to F... a creep like TO. Monk's a great guy. I don't understand

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This is Bullshit!!! Art I love you man. Maybe next year Darrell Green and Art Monk will go in together. If that is the case REDSKINS NATION better be there in Canton. I know I wil be!!

Hail TT REDSKINS!!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;275227]Stink has been very outspoken in his support for Monk.

Give us a summary of what was said if you can.[/QUOTE]

I heard it. Cowherd says he doesn't belong because Monk was just a "compiler". He mentioned that out of 7 big games, Super Bowls and NFC Championships, Monk only caught one touchdown. He said that being "dependable" on countless 6-yard curl patterns aren't enough to get you the label of playmaker, and it's not worthy of the Hall of Fame. He says it's not the Hall of Nice Guys, Hall of "dependable", or Hall of Longetivity. He maintains that Monk was really good, just not great. He did say he'll probably get in someday.

Wingo and Schlereth said that Monk should be recognized because he compiled the records on a run first team. Also that it shouldn't be overstated that Monk didn't have Hall of Fame QBs throwing the ball to him. They said that his modest TD numbers should be discounted because the NFL was different then compared with the Marvin Harrisons and Chris Carter days of pass happy offenses. Schlereth really drove home the point that when he retired, he was the leading receiver in NFL HISTORY.

I like Cowherd, but he strikes me as the type of talk show host who will say anything to get his audience fired up -- but he probably doesn't believe half of what he says.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;275237]Schlereth really drove home the point that when [Monk] retired, he was the leading receiver in NFL HISTORY.[/QUOTE]

... and that's really all that matters. I mean, it's kinda like Marino being denied entry to the Hall. :doh:

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It's funny how at every position where that player retired first in stats at said position, he's in the Hall of Fame. But Monk somehow just ran 6 yrd curl patterns.

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Calling Monk a compiler is as silly as calling Emmit Smith a compiler! Emmit is the all time leading rusher, but I personally consider Jim Brown the greatest back to ever play the game.

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What a bunch of sackless choads! I quess Monk didn't shake his as@#$%^ enough, or get caught with a HALL OF SHAME Amount of drugs and prostitutes.


Why doesn't character matter in the Hall of Shame(which i will refer to as for the rest of my life)?

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My brother composed this:

Single-Season Reception Leaders in the 1980's:

1980: Winslow, 89, TE
1981: Winslow, 88, TE
1982: D. Clark, 60, TE
1983: Christensen, 92, TE
1984: Monk, 106, WR
1985: Craig, 92, RB
1986: Christensen, 95, TE
1987: Smith, 91, WR
1988: Toon, 93, WR
1989: Sharpe, 90, WR

Largent (HOF) doesn't appear on this list.

Lofton (HOF) doesn't appear on this list.

Rice (HOF) doesn't appear on this list.

Since 1990, only one non-WR (Gonzalez in 2004) has led the NFL in receptions. That's ONE compared to SIX from 1980-1989—SIX in a span of TEN years.

Folks, if that doesn't indicate a shift from a run-oriented league to a pass-oriented league, then I don't know what else to say.

Also, if you look at the receptions leaderboard, you will notice a definite trend after 1990 of rising catches. In fact, only once since 1990 has the number dipped below 100. Um, only ONCE in the 80’s did the number exceed 100.

Is this a coincidence, or a sign that the league has evolved into a more pass happy league?:

More to chew on...

# of 1,000 seasons

1) Lofton: 5

2) Largent: 4

2) Monk: 4

2) Rice: 4

# of receptions (first number starting with 1980, OR player's first year in the 80's;last number ending with 1989 OR player's last year in the 80's):


1) Rice: 86, 65, 64, 82 / average=74.25

2) Monk: 56, 35, 47, 106, 91, 73, 38, 72, 86 / average=67

3) Largent: 66, 75, 34, 72, 74, 79, 70, 58, 39, 28 / average=59.50

4) Lofton: 71, 71, 35, 58, 62, 69, 64, 41, 28 / average=55.44

# of TD's (first number starting with 1980, OR player's first year in the 80's;last number ending with 1989 OR player's last year in the 80's):

1) Rice: 3, 5, 22, 19, 17, 13 / average=13.16 (note: insane TD production by Rice, who--IMO--along with Jim Brown, is the greatest football player EVER. Just absurd)

2) Largent: 6, 9, 3, 11, 12, 6, 9, 8, 2, 3 / average=6.9

3) Lofton: 4, 8, 4, 8, 7, 4, 4, 5, 0, 3 / average=4.7

3) Monk: 3, 6, 1, 5, 7, 2, 4, 6, 5, 8 / average: 4.7

Average YPC's in 80's:

1) Lofton: 19.15

2) Rice: 17.88

3) Largent: 15.57

4) Monk: 13.9

There is no doubt that Monk was a possession WR, just like there is no doubt from looking at these stats that James Lofton was a deep threat, that Largent was the most “all-around,” and that Rice was the best of the bunch and the best ever.

More importantly, what all of these stats indicate, aside from Rice's insane TD production, is how different the WR position is today than it was in the 1980's.

Stats are relative and should not be analyzed in a vacuum. To quote Brad Oremland, “Monk's 106 catches were in 1984 what Harrison's 143 were last season [2002]” ([url=http://www.buzzle.com/editorials...39189.asp]Buzzle Web Portal: Intelligent Life on the Web[/url])

Therefore, it is absolute insanity to compare Monk's stats “directly” to players like Chris Carter and Tim Brown.

All stats taken from Pro Football Reference:

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Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;275209]PK isn't soley responsible, but to think that his opinions don't carry alot of weight with HOF voters is pretty silly.[/QUOTE]

There's no question Peter King carries a lot of weight ... ha ha.

But seriously, if he's [I]that[/I] influential, then Monk should have gotten in this year because King now supports his entry.