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Lavar's career is almost over. A needy team may sign him, but in a year or two he will retire.
The cartilage in his knee is a worn down. He can rehab the knee and play a game or two at his former level, but then his will knee swell and becomes painful. Then his level of play will suffer and will miss many games. This problem is not going to go away, it will only get worse the more he plays.

Lets not resign him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;276973]From being the next LT to getting let go by two teams 2 years in a row.

Gotta love it.[/QUOTE]

Well I'm not a huge "Arrington lover", although I liked the guy when he was here, and he sure as hell didn't come even close to LT (he probaboly wasent even the best linebacker on his team since 2004), but I think that is a little misleading if someone didnt know what was going on.

I really think the Giants let him go strickly because of injury. I mean he had the same thing Jansen had in 2004, and we know that if he had gotten hurt in the regular season (Jasnen) he would have missed more time. In addition, Arrington also paid us to get out of his contract.

Now while he shouldnt even be mentioned within the same sentence as LT, I think it was a little more than teams just "let him go".

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When asked "who is the one coach you would not want to play for", didn't Lavar respond: Joe Gibbs? It's on the boards here somewhere from last year. He'll more than likely retire before he comes back here.

The Giants front office is probably like: "Got anymore awesome guys from the Redskins you want us to bring over, Antonio? Great suggestion! Go back to tackling people and leave the player acquisition to people who can read medical reports."

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;276813]#56fanatic, WHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEERE AAAAAAAAARE YOOOOU? :D[/quote]


I am here!! you know I would take him back (if healthy!!) Lindsey is gone, I would bet some of the players will campaign to bring him back.

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[quote=Gmanc711;277001]Well I'm not a huge "Arrington lover", although I liked the guy when he was here, and he sure as hell didn't come even close to LT (he probaboly wasent even the best linebacker on his team since 2004), but I think that is a little misleading if someone didnt know what was going on.

I really think the Giants let him go strickly because of injury. I mean he had the same thing Jansen had in 2004, and we know that if he had gotten hurt in the regular season (Jasnen) he would have missed more time. In addition, Arrington also paid us to get out of his contract.

Now while he shouldnt even be mentioned within the same sentence as LT, I think it was a little more than teams just "let him go".[/quote]

Not sure what you're getting at... he was let go, released, whatever, call it what you will. Regardless of the reasons the simple fact is he's without a team for the 2nd straight year. That was my point.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;276836]I don't remember him ever saying that, but he can go screw himself if he did.[/quote]

I heard him say it a couple of times, I know I saw it on Inside The NFL though. He was pretty angry after he left.

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[quote=RobH4413;276959]My thoughts exactly.

I loved him to death. I was at the San Fran. game last year and he had the crowd wrapped around his finger. All he had to do was throw his hands up, and the whole place went nuts.

He'll go down as one of my favorite players to watch... but yeah.. your right. He's done.[/quote]


i totally agree with you. lavar was my favorite player during his time with the skins, i just hate the way it ended with him here. i'm not sure who was more at fault, i just didn't like it.

i too was at the 9ers game and your right, that stadium was totally electric when lavar got in the game.

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These past year the Giants were hurt bad by injuries. I know Lavar has injury problems did the other guys cut have health issues which maybe the Giants are looking for some guys that can stay on the field?

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Seems like if the Giants thought Arrington was going to bounce back from injury and be ready to play in 2007, they would have kept him. Coughlin and Reese acknowledged that he was really starting to play well in the defense right before he got hurt. Must be that they don't like his chances to be healthy in 2007.

Makes sense, the guy is extremely injury-prone at this point in his career. So even if he had a clean bill of health going into 2007, he'd still be a walking medical emergency waiting to happen.

IMO, that's a sign that no team should want to sign him, let alone the 'Skins.

Our fans grew attached to him while he was here; but we have to realize that things change. Careers get derailed because of injuries. Everyone needs to accept that he's never going to be the same player again.

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[quote=firstdown;277022]These past year the Giants were hurt bad by injuries. I know Lavar has injury problems did the other guys cut have health issues which maybe the Giants are looking for some guys that can stay on the field?[/quote]

Funny thing about the Giants I'm starting to notice, seems like they always have a ton of guys injured throughout the year. Particularly along the linebacking corps. Weird.

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[quote=Schneed10;277023]Seems like if the Giants thought Arrington was going to bounce back from injury and be ready to play in 2007, they would have kept him. Coughlin and Reese acknowledged that he was really starting to play well in the defense right before he got hurt. Must be that they don't like his chances to be healthy in 2007.

Makes sense, the guy is extremely injury-prone at this point in his career. So even if he had a clean bill of health going into 2007, he'd still be a walking medical emergency waiting to happen.

IMO, that's a sign that no team should want to sign him, let alone the 'Skins.

Our fans grew attached to him while he was here; but we have to realize that things change. Careers get derailed because of injuries. Everyone needs to accept that he's never going to be the same player again.[/quote]
With that said the injury he suffered last year may be what his knee needed in more rest to get it healthy. I'm no doctor but it would make sense and some team is going to sign him to some kind of contract. I think it does make the move last year to let him go look much better. Everyone was saying it was a dumb move but he woulld have been on our roster for two years sitting on the bench.

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[quote=ncskinsfanec;276865]The only good thing Lavar ever did was lay the wood on Troy Aikman. Other than that, he was a huge disapointment![/quote]

a huge disapointment? I dont think so. the last two years were injury plagued seasons, the other 5 years, he was as productive as any OLB in the league. (let the ripping begin!!)

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;276886]Because Trotter didn't have two knee surgeries and an achillies injury.

Not to rain on the parade but I have heard a hundred times that Taylor and the other guys on the defense are undisciplined. So what exactly would Lavar (even less disciplined than the group that we have now) be bringing to the table?

If he would accept a minimum deal, I would let him try out. That is it.[/quote]

dont you remember how well the defense played when he was finally inserted into the starting line up during our 6 game winning streak. He averaged double digit tackles in both playoff games, had a pick that set up our first score and knocked out Alexander in the other(helped knock him out)

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[quote=freddyg12;276891]I recall reading that Reid kept in touch w/Trotter & offered condolences when he blew his knee out here. I don't know if Gibbs called Lavar when he ruptured his achilles, but some of Lavar's words about Joe were pretty harsh. In addition, the Danny hates the postons if not Lavar too.
That was probably the most tragic aspect of Lavar's career in Wasington, not the injuries & undisciplined play, but his standing by his agents while the nflpa & congress questioned their ethics.
I said it in several of the many Lavar posts, I really believe the rift w/Lavar & the Danny all stems from the postons.[/quote]

first off, all players are going to stand by their agents, especially ones you have had your whole career. He acknoledged the over sight by his agent, he said he wasnt worried about the contract, he said he was all ready a rich man, that playing in DC was the most important thing, more than the 6 million. Danny and LaVar were very close, until this whole contract thing, which the NFLPA forced the arbitration thing. Lavar wanted it dropped. they wouldn't let it drop.

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[quote=#56fanatic;277029]dont you remember how well the defense played when he was finally inserted into the starting line up during our 6 game winning streak. He averaged double digit tackles in both playoff games, had a pick that set up our first score and knocked out Alexander in the other(helped knock him out)[/quote]

Yeah that's great and all, but I don't care about what he's done, I care about what he can do from here on out. Chances are he can't do much in 2007 because of the achilles. And with his recent penchant for injury, and chronic knee troubles, I don't like his chances of being available when his team really needs him. He can't be relied upon very well anymore.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;276902]Also, the Petitgout cut is good for us even if we don't sign him. Todd Wade did a fine job filling in - the more tackles on the market, however, the cheaper he becomes for us to resign.[/quote]


I have never heard or seen LaVar ever say anything negative about Joe Gibbs, or Williams. Now he did not like Lindsay, for sure. the only thing I remember him saying was if Joe wanted him here, he would be here. If you are going to say something like that, provide proof.

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[quote=#56fanatic;277035]I have never heard or seen LaVar ever say anything negative about Joe Gibbs, or Williams. Now he did not like Lindsay, for sure. the only thing I remember him saying was if Joe wanted him here, he would be here. If you are going to say something like that, provide proof.[/quote]


LaVar did say some negative things about Gibbs.

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We need players, not problems. LA became more distraction than player. Obviously, it isn't working out in NY either. Let the cast-offs go elsewhere

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[quote=Gmanc711;276811]Sign Lavar!?!?![/quote]

I actually think this isn't a half bad idea... if he would sign for little or no $$$$ compared to the last time he was a Redskin. He's injury prone, but he's great for morale......

Too bad he hates Gibbs.

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[quote=Hog1;277038]We need players, not problems. LA became more distraction than player. Obviously, it isn't working out in NY either. Let the cast-offs go elsewhere[/quote]


As much as I like LA, I don't want to see him back. Too many cameras, too many comments.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;277035]I have never heard or seen LaVar ever say anything negative about Joe Gibbs, or Williams. Now he did not like Lindsay, for sure. the only thing I remember him saying was if Joe wanted him here, he would be here. If you are going to say something like that, provide proof.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6039982?FSO1&ATT=HMA]FOX Sports - NFL - Everything you need to know for Week 5[/url]

"This was a very tough week for Giants LB LaVar Arrington, who was basically called a dummy by Dale Lindsay, his old position coach in Washington. Arrington responded by saying Joe Gibbs was the worst head coach he ever played for."

[url=http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9673569/rss]San Diego Chargers, Shawne Merriman, National Football League - CBS SportsLine.com[/url]

Q. Which coach wouldn't you like to play for?

Arrington: Joe Gibbs.

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[quote=TAFKAS;277048][URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6039982?FSO1&ATT=HMA"]FOX Sports - NFL - Everything you need to know for Week 5[/URL]

"This was a very tough week for Giants LB LaVar Arrington, who was basically called a dummy by Dale Lindsay, his old position coach in Washington. Arrington responded by saying Joe Gibbs was the worst head coach he ever played for."

[URL="http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9673569/rss"]San Diego Chargers, Shawne Merriman, National Football League - CBS SportsLine.com[/URL]

Q. Which coach wouldn't you like to play for?

Arrington: Joe Gibbs.[/quote]

Almost posted it right after you Taf ! 2 min late

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It probably would have been easier if LaVar would have ever admitted he was hurt. Instead, it was always a conspiracy by the coaches to keep him down.

By the way, I thought our front office was the worst ever and was a complete disaster for failing to keep guys like Smoot, LaVar, and Ramsey. So now LA is cut, Ramsey (after getting ass splinters all season long) probably won't be back with the Jets, and Smoot could be gone as well after making his biggest "splash" on a boat with the Vikings.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;277050]It probably would have been easier if LaVar would have ever admitted he was hurt. Instead, it was always a conspiracy by the coaches to keep him down.

By the way, I thought our front office was the worst ever and was a complete disaster for failing to keep guys like Smoot, LaVar, and Ramsey. So now LA is cut, Ramsey (after getting ass splinters all season long) probably won't be back with the Jets, and Smoot could be gone as well after making his biggest "splash" on a boat with the Vikings.[/QUOTE]

Very good point. Let's hope the players will recognize that, and the perception of us neglecting "core" guys is changed.

Now, if we could just keep our draft picks!

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[quote=TAFKAS;277050]It probably would have been easier if LaVar would have ever admitted he was hurt. Instead, it was always a conspiracy by the coaches to keep him down.

By the way, I thought our front office was the worst ever and was a complete disaster for failing to keep guys like Smoot, LaVar, and Ramsey. So now LA is cut, Ramsey (after getting ass splinters all season long) probably won't be back with the Jets, and Smoot could be gone as well after making his biggest "splash" on a boat with the Vikings.[/quote]

Very good points, Taf.

In hindsight, these were all good moves. For every bad move we bitch about, there are probably two good ones they have made.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;277046]I actually think this isn't a half bad idea... if he would sign for little or no $$$$ compared to the last time he was a Redskin. He's injury prone, but he's great for morale......

Too bad he hates Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

How is he 'great' for morale? He's moody and mouths off a lot. He clearly clashed with coaches and he isn't the type to keep quiet about it. I tend to think he is the worst kind of cancer a team can have. The nice guy kind. Everyone loves Lavar. 'He's so nice". All the while he is subtly undermining the coaching staff and expecting things that no one should expect. I by no means think he was at total fault for the way things went down but I do think that he was at least 50% responsible and only because of that jackass Lindsey can we even put some blame on the coaching staff. Lavar is BAD for a team and it's morale. And now he isn't talented enough anymore to be put up with like he was before.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;277050]It probably would have been easier if LaVar would have ever admitted he was hurt. Instead, it was always a conspiracy by the coaches to keep him down.

By the way, I thought our front office was the worst ever and was a complete disaster for failing to keep guys like Smoot, LaVar, and Ramsey. So now LA is cut, Ramsey (after getting ass splinters all season long) probably won't be back with the Jets, and Smoot could be gone as well after making his biggest "splash" on a boat with the Vikings.[/QUOTE]

No no. Our front office is the worst in the league. Every move we make blows up in our face and clearly no one knows what they are doing. On top of that we have to rebuild each year because we don't handle the cap well at all. Time to bring in a GM. Any GM will do just as long as he is called a GM. A GM will solve everything. Yes a GM is what we need. I think I'll apply since all we need is a real GM. I wonder if we find a guy with the initials GM if he'll be doubly good at fixing everything? I mean he'll be the GM so he'll will obviously be able to fix everything like a magician but if he has GM initals he may be able to do it even better than just a regular old magical GM.

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My dad calls my mom "GM" because of her initials. So I think my mom should be the Redskins General Manager!

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;277057]My dad calls my mom "GM" because of her initials. So I think my mom should be the Redskins General Manager![/QUOTE]

Well she'll clearly be better than what we have. Being a GM and all qualifies her to do a better job. Maybe if we have an assitant GM too then it'll be even better?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;277056]No no. Our front office is the worst in the league. Every move we make blows up in our face and clearly no one knows what they are doing. On top of that we have to rebuild each year because we don't handle the cap well at all. Time to bring in a GM. Any GM will do just as long as he is called a GM. A GM will solve everything. Yes a GM is what we need. I think I'll apply since all we need is a real GM. I wonder if we find a guy with the initials GM if he'll be doubly good at fixing everything? I mean he'll be the GM so he'll will obviously be able to fix everything like a magician but if he has GM initals he may be able to do it even better than just a regular old magical GM.[/QUOTE]

And if he drives a [URL="http://www.gm.com/"]GM[/URL], he could rule the world! What if he survived a bout with [B]G[/B]erman [B]M[/B]easles, only to win a [B]G[/B]old [B]M[/B]edal for his [B]G[/B]rossly [B]M[/B]alformed [B]G[/B]luteus [B]M[/B]aximus?

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[QUOTE=BrudLee;277060]And if he drives a [URL="http://www.gm.com/"]GM[/URL], he could rule the world! What if he survived a bout with [B]G[/B]erman [B]M[/B]easles, only to wina [B]G[/B]old [B]M[/B]edal for his [B]G[/B]rossly [B]M[/B]alformed [B]G[/B]luteus [B]M[/B]aximus?[/QUOTE]

We could never lose because we'd have a GM. The ultimate GM at that!

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;277050]By the way, I thought our front office was the worst ever and was a complete disaster for failing to keep guys like Smoot, LaVar, and Ramsey. So now LA is cut, Ramsey (after getting ass splinters all season long) probably won't be back with the Jets, and Smoot could be gone as well after making his biggest "splash" on a boat with the Vikings.[/QUOTE]

That's an excellent point. Of the numerous guys we have let go over the past few years, the only mistake was Antonio Pierce.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;277062]That's an excellent point. Of the numerous guys we have let go over the past few years, the only mistake was Antonio Pierce.[/QUOTE]

Which Gibbs always laments in public. It's not like we have dumped guys who went on to be pro bowlers en masse.

Let's see. Trotter...um.....Pierce...ummm...Coles maybe?

No one bitched when we dumped Trotter. Everyone bitched when we dumped Pierce and Coles was a whiny little bitch who should just f*** off anyways. (I don't like Coles if you couldn't tell)

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Matt Bowen....Derrius Thompson...Rod Gardner...Darnerien McCants...

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;277062]That's an excellent point. Of the numerous guys we have let go over the past few years, the only mistake was Antonio Pierce.[/quote]


Yep. And the fact is, every team has let at least one or two "Antonio Pierce's" go during a coach's tenure.

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Did we kick the 'GM supporters' off the site today? I thought we'd see some response from that crowd pretty quick.

Re: Lavar Arrington and Chad Morton cut by Giants?
 

[quote=FRPLG;277053]How is he 'great' for morale? He's moody and mouths off a lot. He clearly clashed with coaches and he isn't the type to keep quiet about it. I tend to think he is the worst kind of cancer a team can have. The nice guy kind. Everyone loves Lavar. 'He's so nice". All the while he is subtly undermining the coaching staff and expecting things that no one should expect. I by no means think he was at total fault for the way things went down but I do think that he was at least 50% responsible and only because of that jackass Lindsey can we even put some blame on the coaching staff. Lavar is BAD for a team and it's morale. And now he isn't talented enough anymore to be put up with like he was before.[/quote]

He had a good relatinoship wtih some of the other players like ST, Portis, Moss..... He seemed to build morale among them...

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I agree that getting a GM is not a cure-all, but I still support the idea of getting one. Sometimes GMs clash with the coaches to the detriment of the team (See San Diego), but such clashes can also be healthy. A GM should be like a board of directors that ensures that the officers (coaches) are looking out for the team's long-term interests (which oftentimes, they fail to do). I don't think our front office is the worst one in the NFL, but I think a [I]good[/I] GM [I]could[/I] make it better.

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[quote=FRPLG;277056]No no. Our front office is the worst in the league. Every move we make blows up in our face and clearly no one knows what they are doing. On top of that we have to rebuild each year because we don't handle the cap well at all. Time to bring in a GM. Any GM will do just as long as he is called a GM. A GM will solve everything. Yes a GM is what we need. I think I'll apply since all we need is a real GM. I wonder if we find a guy with the initials GM if he'll be doubly good at fixing everything? I mean he'll be the GM so he'll will obviously be able to fix everything like a magician but if he has GM initals he may be able to do it even better than just a regular old magical GM.[/quote]


It's destiny...............................GM..........hiring Tafkas mom.
Oh shit , the sky is falling.......CAP HELL, DAMN you Joe2

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we all have our reasons for liking or disliking LaVar. Obviously, I am on the LIKE side. I think he can be a very productive player (when healthy). He proved it in our run for the playoffs. He loved DC, the fans, and felt the tradition of what it meant to be a Redskin. We dont know what was actually said in those meetings, and I am sure LaVar, being outspoken as he is, contributed to a lot of what happened. I dont dispute that. But he was not 100% of the problem and I am sure all of us can agree to that. The fact remains, when he is healthy and on the field he brings a physical nature and a play making ability that other teams have to game plan for. He was really starting to play at a high level when he tore his achillis, and was not having problems with his knee. Jansen had the same injury and came back very strong and had a solid year. I am sure he is not going to anticipate a big payday. which he shouldn't. He will be an upgrade from Marshall and Holdman. I say MLB is a position that he would be pretty good at.
My opinion.