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[quote=skinsfan69;279266]I don't think Wade is a full time starter anymore. I mean the Texans let him walk.[/quote]

That was due to injuries and his high cap #

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[quote=GTripp0012;279238]Preferably in open space. Who doesn't like to see a lineman making moves downfield on DBs?

Actually this brings me back to a point I've been on for quite awhile now: We need a blocking-style TE bad. A guy who blocks like a lineman but can catch a pass every now and then also. Pucillo was fine, but theres only so many different plays you can call with him in the game at TE. Not to mention theres a chance he will be starting at G next year.[/quote]


Daniel Grahan is available and I think he would fill this role nicely.

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[quote=Skinz4life;279273]Daniel Grahan is available and I think he would fill this role nicely.[/quote]Daniel Graham would be wonderful, but I'm sure we can easily find somebody to fit the role cheaper.

A Graham signing almost mandates that we move to a 2 TE offense. Not that that would be a bad thing.

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wade would have cost the texans 4+mill, but we signed him for vet min (or close to it). he's a serviceable starter.

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I like the idea of a blocking TE as well. I think Fauria was washed out when we got him and wasn't much of a producer. After that we sort of rotated some guys and no-one really established themselves.

Cooley has obviously earned himself the reputation to be a go-to guy and will continue being a hybrid slot receiver/te.

While we're at it, I don't see a problem with looking for a really tall TE/WR. I know our receiving corps has proven that being short isn't a problem... but if we got a giant blocking TE for the occasional jump ball I think that would help Campbell out alot. We don't have that option to just chuck the ball up and have someone go get it in the red-zone.

Im hoping a certain TE from MD finds his way to the Redskins come draft time next year...so I can get some insider redskins 411. Right now he's looking at mid-late round, but he's got one more year so we'll see.

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The V-man doesn't like the way his locker looks.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;279176]LMAO!!! He's not even the best linemen on his own team. He could possibly be the worst linemen on his own team. That's ridicules!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Apparently, and this could just be the agent trying to play serious hardball (probably is), his thinking is the rest of the offensive line is considerably older and he is potentially the future leader of that line for years to come so he feels that he should be rewarded as such. And he feels that, and this is where the Redskins unfortunately are probably to blame, if the Redskins can make other guys on that team the highest paid at their position (we all know who he is talking about) in the league, then why not him.

I'm positive his demands go down. The impression I got is just that it's his agent seeing what happens if he asks for the moon

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Dock is a solid lineman. If he's looking for highest paid lineman in league, it's NOT gonna happen. If we outbid...see ya! Docks weaks point is definitely his mobility and being able to sweep. Which we know is in the offensive scheme.

I think if Dock was stickin around a deal would already be reached?

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we sohuld really bring him back cause what if he walks and steinbach signs somewhere else then what we cant run to the left as well the man is 6'6" 345lbs he will be a monster in years to come under joe bugel he has really started to come into his own he has developed way faster than anyone expected him to he just needs to cut down on the falst start and holding penalties cause those kill us

and does anyone think that we should bring in a kicker to compete with suisham

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;279346]and does anyone think that we should bring in a kicker to compete with suisham[/QUOTE]

Way to slide in a new thread, without actually starting a new thread. ;)
The force is strong in you kemosabe.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;279238]Actually this brings me back to a point I've been on for quite awhile now: We need a blocking-style TE bad. [B]A guy who blocks like a lineman but can catch a pass every now and then also.[/B] Pucillo was fine, but theres only so many different plays you can call with him in the game at TE. Not to mention theres a chance he will be starting at G next year.[/QUOTE]

You mean like Ron Middleton? I think he caught something like 5-10 passes a year. His roster weight was 270 (probably a bit off) so he was like a miniature offensive tackle.

The only thing is, that's not usually an element of Al Saunders' offense. Pucillo was brought in in the 'Jumbo' formations, but that's got Gibbs' fingerprints all over it.

Saunders' offense, along with Norv Turner's and Mike Martz are more true to the Air Coryell original -- the tight end has more of the pass catching role, while the fullback does most of the blocking. It was Gibbs who did most of the tinkering with his mentor's scheme. That's not to say the tight ends don't block. And it doesn't rule out that there could be yet another alteration to Saunders' game plan as long as Gibbs is looking over his shoulder.

I'd agree that a pure blocking tight end might be useful, as long as it doesn't throw too big of a wrench into an offense young players are still trying to learn.

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[quote=Beemnseven;279355]You mean like Ron Middleton? I think he caught something like 5-10 passes a year. His roster weight was 270 (probably a bit off) so he was like a miniature offensive tackle.

The only thing is, that's not usually an element of Al Saunders' offense. Pucillo was brought in in the 'Jumbo' formations, but that's got Gibbs' fingerprints all over it.

Saunders' offense, along with Norv Turner's and Mike Martz are more true to the Air Coryell original -- the tight end has more of the pass catching role, while the fullback does most of the blocking. It was Gibbs who did most of the tinkering with his mentor's scheme. That's not to say the tight ends don't block. And it doesn't rule out that there could be yet another alteration to Saunders' game plan as long as Gibbs is looking over his shoulder.

I'd agree that a pure blocking tight end might be useful, as long as it doesn't throw too big of a wrench into an offense young players are still trying to learn.[/quote]Well it's not like we would be retarding the devolpment of a young TE. Jason Dunn played the no. 2 TE role in KC for many years under Saunders with great success. The difference was, he was retarding the development of Kris Wilson, who they used a 2nd rounder on in 2004 (he now starts at their H Back position). In fact, I think we should trade for Dunn, if he can be had for a conditional pick (no higher than round 6).

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;279358]Well it's not like we would be retarding the devolpment of a young TE. Jason Dunn played the no. 2 TE role in KC for many years under Saunders with great success. The difference was, he was retarding the development of Kris Wilson, who they used a 2nd rounder on in 2004 (he now starts at their H Back position). In fact, I think we should trade for Dunn, if he can be had for a conditional pick (no higher than round 6).[/QUOTE]

Dunn would be an AWESOME addition to the team. He's definately the blocking-stud we've been looking for.

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[quote=GTripp0012;279275]Daniel Graham would be wonderful, but I'm sure we can easily find somebody to fit the role cheaper.

A Graham signing almost mandates that we move to a 2 TE offense. Not that that would be a bad thing.[/quote]

I think it would be a good thing. Graham can be a stud.

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yeah but graham isnt a pressing need

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[quote=skinsfan69;279391]I think it would be a good thing. Graham can be a stud.[/quote]I also love the 2 TE offense and think that would be a far smarter way to get another strong receiving weapon than using a pick on Calvin Johnson, or signing a bigger receiver.

Graham would be a huge luxury, and I really don't see him landing here. I think it would be a good move for us though.

Dunn would come much cheaper, and although Graham would be the better player, Dunn would fit better into the current 1 TE offense we run now.

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We can easily replace Dockery, and here's how. Draft Ted Ginn! Trade up if you have to. He's a phenomenal athlete. Let him play OG. He was the top ranked offensive lineman in his 8 and under Pop Warner league

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[quote=TAFKAS;279453]We can easily replace Dockery, and here's how. Draft Ted Ginn! Trade up if you have to. He's a phenomenal athlete. Let him play OG. He was the top ranked offensive lineman in his 8 and under Pop Warner league[/quote]TAF you've been awfully sarcastic today--even for you.

Whats up?

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[quote=TAFKAS;279453]We can easily replace Dockery, and here's how. Draft Ted Ginn! Trade up if you have to. He's a phenomenal athlete. Let him play OG. He was the top ranked offensive lineman in his 8 and under Pop Warner league[/quote]

hilarious

He's a little light though, I know he's listed at 180 but he's really more like 160. He's a better fit at center. Move him there, move Rabach to CB, and move Rogers to LG.

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man, you guys are rough

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[quote=TAFKAS;279453]We can easily replace Dockery, and here's how. Draft Ted Ginn! Trade up if you have to. He's a phenomenal athlete. Let him play OG. He was the top ranked offensive lineman in his 8 and under Pop Warner league[/quote]


hahahaha

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At 160, he's quick as a Whipett. He'll be a pulling SOB!!!

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the skins just released troy vincent according to redskins.com i dont know how to link the story sorry!!!

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well as of right now im so glad to see the skins havent change. It looks like the skins are going to let one of there productive players go. Im so excited just thinking about our new true redskins were going to bust the bank on. Woopeeee. Is anyone really going to be surprise if Dockrey not resign. I have to admit i thought the skins would have learned something from last year when we let clark go, but it looks like i'm going to be wrong. Here come the superbowl for the skins starting on march 2.

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i dont think it will be a repeat of spending like last year

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Maybe not but it sure looks like were not going to take care of our own, as usual.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;279692]well as of right now im so glad to see the skins havent change. It looks like the skins are going to let one of there productive players go. Im so excited just thinking about our new true redskins were going to bust the bank on. Woopeeee. Is anyone really going to be surprise if Dockrey not resign. I have to admit i thought the skins would have learned something from last year when we let clark go, but it looks like i'm going to be wrong. Here come the superbowl for the skins starting on march 2.[/quote]

So I guess this is just all on the Skins and Dockery shares no blame?

Are you in favor of taking care of our own if it means making him the highest paid lineman on the team?

Is he worth that to you?

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Would rather overpay dockery instead of someone elses linemen. Hmmm it sure worked out last year not paying clark what he wanted. Thanks goodness they were right in overpaying AA. See i dont want to overpay anyone but dammit i would rather pay my own players than someone elses players. Because its work so well for us doing it the way we usually do it. Not paying Peirce,Clark,Smoot etc etc.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;279727]Would rather overpay dockery instead of someone elses linemen. Hmmm it sure worked out last year not paying clark what he wanted. Thanks goodness they were right in overpaying AA. See i dont want to overpay anyone but dammit i would rather pay my own players than someone elses players. Because its work so well for us doing it the way we usually do it. Not paying Peirce,Clark,Smoot etc etc.[/quote]

So you would make him the highest paid OL on the team?

You don't see any problem in that?

Just pay him for the sake of paying him?

Like that will somehow correct the wrongs of the past?

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what does it matter since when do the skins care about what they pay anyone. They seem to only care not paying players when it there own. Well he a better player than Jansen right now. Samuels is always been overrated. Thomas is good but shouldnt at the time been the highest paid guard at the time. So yes why not pay you own. Who in FA is better than Dockrey right now.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;279728]So you would make him the highest paid OL on the team?

You don't see any problem in that?

Just pay him for the sake of paying him?

Like that will somehow correct the wrongs of the past?[/QUOTE]

Ade Jimoh is a free agent CB you know. And he's one of our own! We damn well better pay him way above whatever Nate Clements commands on the open market.

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Im paying Dockery because he a good player and we know he is productive in this offense. Damn why break up the line now> Its starting to jell.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;279729]Who in FA is better than Dockrey right now.[/quote]

Umm, Eric Steinbach.

You still haven't answered my questions directly.

You don't have a problem with making Dockery the highest paid OL on the team?

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no prob here he young and can play our lines getting old. Didnt steinbach have some off the field problems this last year. That would be great player to have. Everyone on our line getting near 30 or over 30 like thomas jansen samuels is close and so in reabac

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I would rather Dockery be the hightest paid olineman on our team instead of Steinbach. But hey that me. I would rather pay my players instead of someone elses from another team.

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Great logic. So because he's young let's just give him a blank check.

Brilliant.

Why not just make him the highest paid OL in the league while we're at it.

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[quote=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;279736]I would rather Dockery be the hightest paid olineman on our team instead of Steinbach. But hey that me. I would rather pay my players instead of someone elses from another team.[/quote]

I'd take neither as our highest paid OL on the team.

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well if it came down to the two i would rather it be dockery. But im sure since your a suck up for the skins you would rather take someone elses player instead of build with your own.

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;279729]what does it matter since when do the skins care about what they pay anyone. They seem to only care not paying players when it there own. Well he a better player than Jansen right now. Samuels is always been overrated. Thomas is good but shouldnt at the time been the highest paid guard at the time. So yes why not pay you own. Who in FA is better than Dockrey right now.[/QUOTE]

Grammar's not your friend tonight, is it Spear?

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[QUOTE=CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR;279740]well if it came down to the two i would rather it be dockery. But im sure since your a suck up for the skins you would rather take someone elses player instead of build with your own.[/QUOTE]

Would you offer Dockery more than say Steve Hutchinson is getting? At what point do you draw the line on how much he should get paid?