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[quote=Defensewins;289537]It takes two to tango....so what incentive other than loyalty does Cooley have to sign before he becomes a FA? After the crazy contract offer Dockery got, I think Cooley will want to become a FA and see what his over inflated value will be in the FA market. If were in Cooley's shoes, you would do the same.

I am glad we got rid of Archuleta. I am surprised we got something in return.[/quote]What's in it for Cooley?

Money. Lots of it.

This guy has been producing every year since his rookie year and still isn't even in his prime yet. If any guy deserves to be payed like the leagues top TE, it's a 25 year old who plays like the leagues top TE.

Espicially considering that he's been on a rookie salary for his entire career and hasn't complained once, use our cap space to extend his deal. He's one of the few deserving players on this roster.

Anything less than what Graham got would be a bargain for us.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;289547]We are not in danger of not signing Cooley. Never have been.[/quote]

yeah, but if Daniel Friggin Graham just got made the highest paid TE in the league, then the market will certainly dictate that Cooley should get a huge contract with his skills/young age/numbers. Not having the baggage of AA's contract simply assures we'll be able to pay him what he has earned. Can you imagine how absolutely livid the fan base would be if we let Cooley slip away?? I would punch a hole in a wall for sure...

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;289546]Cooley thinking of leaving!?! Perish the thought! I'm putting my hands over my ears now. LA LA LA LA... I can't hear you.[/QUOTE]
Cooley thinking of leaving?? : NO
Cooley thinking about getting financially set for life with his next contract? : Yes.
I am sure he wants to be a Redskin for life, but his families financial security comes first before being a Redskin for life.

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We ought to draft a saftey with that 6th pick. He can do any worse then Arch.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;289522]We will now see if it was the coaching, or the player. If he goes to da Bears and becomes an all pro, heads have to roll.[/quote]

It was the coaching, which we will learn to our grief. This was Williams and his ego failing to handle and/or adjust to a run-stopping DB whom every knew was not a good cover guy. AA had a huge number of tackles while he was playing last year and will have a huge number at Chicago, where they'll use him correctly.
Skins make one personnel gaff after the other-- starting with Brunell and embracing Pierce, Smoot, Arrington, Ramsey, Collins, Patton, Holdman, Clark, etc., etc.

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[quote=Defensewins;289558]Cooley thinking of leaving?? : NO
Cooley thinking about getting financially set for life with his next contract? : Yes.
I am sure he wants to be a Redskin for life, but his families financial security comes first before being a Redskin for life.[/quote]I think he's going to get everything he needs from us.

We're going to take care of him.

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[quote=Defensewins;289558]Cooley thinking of leaving?? : NO
Cooley thinking about getting financially set for life with his next contract? : Yes.
I am sure he wants to be a Redskin for life, but his families financial security comes first before being a Redskin for life.[/quote]
I do see the logic. However, I still have hope that there are players out there who have a sense of loyalty. Yeah, I know, I'm old school for thinking that way. But one can dream right?

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;289560]It was the coaching, which we will learn to our grief. This was Williams and his ego failing to handle and/or adjust to a run-stopping DB whom every knew was not a good cover guy. AA had a huge number of tackles while he was playing last year and will have a huge number at Chicago, where they'll use him correctly.
Skins make one personnel gaff after the other-- starting with Brunell and embracing Pierce, Smoot, Arrington, Ramsey, Collins, Patton, Holdman, Clark, etc., etc.[/quote]

I agree partly. AA did have a huge number of tackles, mostly from behind b/c he just got burnt. Unfortunately AA was just a microcosm of a bad defense that couldn't cover well, tackle well, never forced turnovers, and was repeatedly gashed for big plays. Coaches and players were both responsible. Overall a terrible effort. And even when AA was used "correctly" in St. Louis he was never more than a decent player.

Another reason Chicago wanted AA is becuase they just let Todd Johnson go via free agency, and Mike Brown is very injury prone. They needed a safety badly, which is probably why they didn't wait to pull the trigger on a trade.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;289558]Cooley thinking of leaving?? : NO
Cooley thinking about getting financially set for life with his next contract? : Yes.
I am sure he wants to be a Redskin for life, but his families financial security comes first before being a Redskin for life.[/QUOTE]

You know what, if this was last offseason, I would have said that the kid would be gone, but with the exception of D-Dock this preseason, we've done pretty well in taking care of those well deserving. I don't think Captain Chaos is going anywhere

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[quote=GMScud;289565]I agree partly. AA did have a huge number of tackles, mostly from behind b/c he just got burnt. Unfortunately AA was just a microcosm of a bad defense that couldn't cover well, tackle well, never forced turnovers, and was repeatedly gashed for big plays. Coaches and players were both responsible. Overall a terrible effort. And even when AA was used "correctly" in St. Louis he was never more than a decent player.

Another reason Chicago wanted AA is becuase they just let Todd Johnson go via free agency, and Mike Brown is very injury prone. They needed a safety badly, which is probably why they didn't wait to pull the trigger on a trade.[/quote]


I can't believe that you guys got a sixth round pick for Archuleta, and rid yourselves of his contract.

Good work.

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Wow, this thread got 90 posts in 2 hours. I haven't been a member here that long, but that's pretty impressive. Were we craving some Redskins activity or what?? Hahaha

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Regarding Archuleta's contract, did you guys notice that his deal with Chicago will include $5 million in guarantees? So says the ESPN article.

$5 million is exactly what we owed him tomorrow when the second half of his guaranteed money was due to him.

I await the numbers from La Canfora, but I'd venture to guess that somehow the Skins managed to transfer that $5 million payment over to the Bears. If true, the 'Skins would be taking a $4 million dead cap hit this year on Archuleta, meaning making the trade only ate up $1.7 million of incremental cap space, meaning we'd be sitting here with about $8 million in 2007 cap space.

Maybe CC knows if such a transfer of guaranteed payments can be done under the new collective bargaining agreement?

It bears watching. But if I had to bet, I'd guess that we are not eating the full $9 million in dead cap money. I think we probably got out of some of that somehow.

Curious that all rumblings regarding Dre Bly have been silent to this point... if we've resolved Archuleta without taking a huge cap hit from him then the door is open for Mr. Bly.

ALL SPECULATION ON MY PART. But my speculation is probably more accurate than anything on PFT!

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If we transfered that $5M, that would be amazing. I would be thrilled.

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the terror...

is over...

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Whoever thinks that we should've gotten more for him is crazy. Just to get rid of that contract by itself was a great move.

Thank God.

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Ya, getting rid of that monsterous contract was HUGE. I am very interested in the cap ramifications of this deal.

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Geez i hope we didnt have to give a the bears a signing bonus to take him. LOL thanks god he gone.

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I remember reading somewhere that if we cut Archuleta, the cap penalty will drop by however much his new signing bonus is. It says it in his contract. It's either that or the fact that if we don't take the option bonus, his next three years of base salary become guaranteed. But then the base salary goes to the bears in the trade so we don't have to pay it. Is that right?

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Holy hell, we actually got more than a bag of chips and a soda in return for this guy

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[quote=wilsowilso;289455]We got robbed!!!!! I am so pissed. We could have got a 3rd rounder!! This blows!!! WHy!!!!!why!!!!WHYYYYYY!!!!!!!! Why.[/quote]

You don't typically get a third rounder for a bench player with a bad back.

This is as good as it gets for us.

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I wonder what this means for Mike Brown?

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I may have missed it somewhere, but who will be the SS?

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Wow! Talk about a relief! I'm feeling much better about this defense each day! I just hope we are able to keep Springs as well. With PP hopefully being healthy and the us getting OS back, I think we should be set in the secondary.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper;289588]You don't typically get a third rounder for a bench player with a bad back.

This is as good as it gets for us.[/quote]


I was joking. I should have said a second rounder to make it more clear.

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[QUOTE=Crat92;289597]I may have missed it somewhere, but who will be the SS?[/QUOTE]

Pierson Prioleau most likely, unless we pickup someone else.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;289575]Regarding Archuleta's contract, did you guys notice that his deal with Chicago will include $5 million in guarantees? So says the ESPN article.

$5 million is exactly what we owed him tomorrow when the second half of his guaranteed money was due to him.

I await the numbers from La Canfora, but I'd venture to guess that somehow the Skins managed to transfer that $5 million payment over to the Bears. If true, the 'Skins would be taking a $4 million dead cap hit this year on Archuleta, meaning making the trade only ate up $1.7 million of incremental cap space, meaning we'd be sitting here with about $8 million in 2007 cap space.

Maybe CC knows if such a transfer of guaranteed payments can be done under the new collective bargaining agreement?

It bears watching. But if I had to bet, I'd guess that we are not eating the full $9 million in dead cap money. I think we probably got out of some of that somehow.

Curious that all rumblings regarding Dre Bly have been silent to this point... if we've resolved Archuleta without taking a huge cap hit from him then the door is open for Mr. Bly.

ALL SPECULATION ON MY PART. But my speculation is probably more accurate than anything on PFT![/QUOTE]

Sounds like the 5 mil we owed got passed on to them and they probably redid his deal so he still got it but in broken up bonuses over the next few years. This way he doesn't take a salary cut really and we don't take the 5 mil cap hit.

I am pretty sure this deal wouldn't have happened unless Snyder could avoid paying him the 5 mil. He'd be paying 5 mil to a guy he was getting rid of. If they HAD to pay the 5 mil there's just no way they get rid of him. They use him as a damn tackling dummy at the very least to get some value.

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[QUOTE=GhettoDogAllStars;289606]Pierson Prioleau most likely, unless we pickup someone else.[/QUOTE]

PP was supposed to start last year. The reason Arch looked so bad was that his role changed on the first play of the year. He became the every down safety when he was only supposed to be a deep LB for us.

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Good riddance you loser!! You were the worst Redskins of all-time! I bet the loser will be riding the Bears sideline just like he did this past season.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;289608]PP was supposed to start last year. The reason Arch looked so bad was that his role changed on the first play of the year. He became the every down safety when he was only supposed to be a deep LB for us.[/QUOTE]

Which ultimately to me is the biggest cause for concern. I mean, why sign him to such a big deal to be a part-time LB? Doesn't add up

Either way, time to move on for both parties. Though now I'm guessing we will start enduring years of "Why did we let Arch go?" threads. He will now join the Ex-Redskins Hall of Fame along with Arrington and Ramsey I'm sure.

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Does The Arch Trade Make Sense To You?
Sorry for the delayed post. I had to make a bunch of calls and write the story for the print edition of the paper and am just getting to this now. Okay, so what I have heard so far is that the Skins get rid of Arch Deluxe for a 6th round pick. They part with someone who, while he stunk last year along with just about everyone else on D, was someome that at least a few front office people in that building believed could have contributed to 2007 in a role more suited to his skillset.

They get back a pick that, judging by the Skins past drafting history, won't be here very long. It's also the third time in recent years they trade someone picked in the first round for a sixth round pick (Patrick Ramsey and Gardner, Rod, anyone?). As one member of the organization put it last night, "When are we ever going to win one of these trades?"

So, instead of The Snyder just cutting this guy a check for $5 million like he promised to do in the original deal (and $$$ is no object right, because Dan is willing to out-spend everyone else, right?) , keeping Arch Deluxe around for insurance, and having him count $2.4 million against the cap, they will likely have him count $4 million in dead cap money on the cap instead (barring any other pre-trade restructurings I am not aware of at this time).

So, in that case he'll count $1.6 million more in dead cap than he would have to simply play here? Interesting.

So, the Redskins gave him $5.6 million for one season, 2006, in which he started just seven games, but the Bears, in a system they know the guy has thrived in in the past, will likely have him counting $1.6 against their cap in 2007.

So the Skins would have him count more than twice against their cap this season NOT TO BE HERE than the Bears will to have him be on the field. Alrighty then.

Okay, the Redskins do get him off the books after 2007, but at what price? Would it have killed them to have kept him around for another year?


Yes, he would count much more against the cap to cut a year from now - so in that regard they save some 2008 cap space - but people in the building also thought he could contribute something in a revamped role and had planned on him being back. With Prioleau back as a cover corner and with the team's cornerback depth finally adequate (can you believe Speed-Rumph actually got another NFL contract?) Arch might have shown something if they could use him as originally planned.

Now, what the Redskins (and by Redskins I mean Snyder and Gibbs) would likely tell you in their defense if they could - and they won't because it would come off as airing dirty laundry - is that people in upper management were convinced that AD was the source for the ESPN article, that he didn't want to be here and that it was time for him to move on. There were also concerns after, sources said, Arch had minor surgery on his ankle in San Francisco this offseason by a specialist he found on his own. He had a bone spur removed and people in Arch's camp have told some they believe the player had an overlooked small stress fracture perhaps; the Redskins were unsure the surgery was necessary at first, if at all, and was just one of a bunch of issues the sides didn't seem to agree on (although that's often the case between players and teams in the NFL in 2007. That's the way it goes).

However, AD also handled the situation with class for much of the season during which he was humiliated and made to be the scapegoat for a defense that had serious issues well beyond him alone. He wasn't causing problems in the locker room and he didn't pout like he could have. His teammates weren't complaining about him and many were as puzzled and you and I about the entire affair.

Was it a perfect marriage? Far from it.

Does this trade make any sense? I don't know, you tell me how it makes them a better team.

Would another year of rebuilding fences and trying to rebuild his confidence in a role he is familiar with been a viable option? Seems like it wouldn't have been the worst idea in the world to me.

Does this trade - a move, like all with the Redskins is purely the domain of Coach Joe and The Snyder - have more to do with non-football issues than what would purely make the most sense from a depth and roster standpoint? Smells that way to me.

Regardless, Arch Deluxe will now undoubtedly go down as the poster boy for the 2006 Redskins and their silly spending, much like Deion did for the 2000 flops. But come on, did Lloyd really do anything more than Arch to merit his $5 million bonus getting picked up lickety split? And, should they actually end up getting Calvin Johnson in the draft, wouldn't Lloyd look much more like surplus to requirements (I love the Brits) than Arch Deluxe did to this safety corps?

Okay, that's a lot of questions I've thrown at ya. My guess is the team will merely put out a press release and move on. when we eventually get a chance to press Coach Joe on the trade he'll say that they did what they thought made sense for the team and for Adam and tried to accommodate the player. And that'll be the end of it.

But it seems awful strange to me. I just don't think The Snyder wanted to cut the dude the check. And that's certainly his prerogative. But that's not how it'll be spun.

Anyway, the Skins have been talking to Omar Stoutmire from what I hear and he got favorable reviews inside the organization and would come pretty cheap I imagine. He could sign here in the next few days providing depth at safety. As for the trade, they have some procedural matters to finalize and Arch will take a physical (may have already done it, not sure). Despite the business with his ankle he passed the Skins physical and I would imagine the Bears would have been fully informed of his offseason procedure before making the trade, so I can't foresee any problems with that.

By Jason La Canfora | March 20, 2007; 10:34 PM ET
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PP is a nice guy who cant start at safety in the NFL....please dont argue this point because hes spent 9 years in the league and never started plus he tore his acl last year meaning he wont be 100 percent until a year for now, its a two year injury....ARCH is gone and his money with him (we hope). SO NOW WE DRAFT LANDRY WITH 6 OR 8 which ever we have come draft day.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;289618]PP is a nice guy who cant start at safety in the NFL....please dont argue this point because hes spent 9 years in the league and never started plus he tore his acl last year meaning he wont be 100 percent until a year for now, its a two year injury....ARCH is gone and his money with him (we hope). SO NOW WE DRAFT LANDRY WITH 6 OR 8 which ever we have come draft day.[/QUOTE]

I'll argue the point becuase he has started in his career. Plenty of times. You're right about the ACL though. That could be a while.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;289618]PP is a nice guy who cant start at safety in the NFL....please dont argue this point because hes spent 9 years in the league and never started plus he tore his acl last year meaning he wont be 100 percent until a year for now, its a two year injury....ARCH is gone and his money with him (we hope). SO NOW WE DRAFT LANDRY WITH 6 OR 8 which ever we have come draft day.[/QUOTE]

Well I don't need to argue it because he started in Buffalo and he started for us a lot in '05. Your point on the knee is right on though.

edit: I swear smootsmack and I are different people. Even though we made the same post at the same time.

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My brother is convinced we are going to pull Laron Landry out of the magic draft hat. It's kind of like building a house from the top down.

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[quote=SmootSmack;289624]I'll argue the point becuase he has started in his career. Plenty of times. You're right about the ACL though. That could be a while.[/quote]


true and with the re-signing of stoudmire do we go after landry or do we still go after a stud d lineman i am caught between two worlds

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No man named Landry should ever wear a Redskins uniform (RIP Tom)

Seriously though, we need help on the line. Landry will not make us a better team

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ill make this short and sweet because i know this is going to get ripped but....we'd be crazy not to sign LaRon Landry...guy is in the mold of Sean Taylor but FASTER...i know everyone is clamoring about the D line but think about it...with athletic safeties like that u could potentially bring two line backers in a blitz every down!! I m sure Greg Williams can come up with some real chaotic and exotc blitz packages if he didnt have to worry about downfield coverage.

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Good move glad to see he's gone.one less thing to worry about for next year.The Skins relize that we aren't going to us him and he was a bust.So they did what the could to fix it.Sounds like we came our pretty good.i could careless about the pick it was the contract i was worried about.Its sounds like they took care of that pretty good.Lets hope they take some of that money and give it to Cooley for a long term deal.

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Kudos to the F.O.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;289575]Regarding Archuleta's contract, did you guys notice that his deal with Chicago will include $5 million in guarantees? So says the ESPN article.

$5 million is exactly what we owed him tomorrow when the second half of his guaranteed money was due to him.

I await the numbers from La Canfora, but I'd venture to guess that somehow the Skins managed to transfer that $5 million payment over to the Bears. If true, the 'Skins would be taking a $4 million dead cap hit this year on Archuleta, meaning making the trade only ate up $1.7 million of incremental cap space, meaning we'd be sitting here with about $8 million in 2007 cap space.[/QUOTE]

Wow! I just saw this now.

Schneed, looks like you were right on. From the Post:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/20/AR2007032001919.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

"The Redskins and Archuleta agreed to postpone his original deadline of March 12 to receive his bonus payment in order to facilitate a trade, and the Bears, whose coach, Lovie Smith, has a strong relationship with the safety from their time together in St. Louis, ultimately agreed to pick up that $5 million payment as part of the deal, sources said, beating today's new deadline for the option."

IMO this is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Snyder pulled a real coup here. I don't know how we convinced them to give us a 6th rounder AND take the $5M bonus payment.

[QUOTE=Schneed10;289575]Maybe CC knows if such a transfer of guaranteed payments can be done under the new collective bargaining agreement?[/QUOTE]

I didn't know they could but I'm loving it!

I'm not sure if it's a change in the CBA, or if Snyder's just getting smarter with the signing bonuses, but it's been a trend with our recent signings. Arch, Randle-El, Carter, Lloyd, Samuels, Rabach, Patten, Jansen, Thomas, Moss, Taylor all had their signing bonuses split over the first 2 years of the contract. I figured this was just a way to delay some money past the current year, but now I see how valuable it can be. If you screw up on a guy (Arch), you still have time to recoup some of the signing bonus.

As Frank the Tank once said, "It's genius!"