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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;290443]So I believe that by drafting a stud DT or DE that will indirectly help out secondary...[/QUOTE]
I agree. We have a physical enough secondary that if they don't have to run around for 8-10 seconds during every pass play because there isn't any pocket pressure they should be pretty good.

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[quote=beau_str;290438]i hardly ever post here but check it out everyday. the point of a thread is to see different opinions and try to see all sides. that said, you porterhouse are an ignorant douchebag. i got into a heated debate with someone a while ago and said some stuff that was unnecesary and got a polite message from smootsmack saying to please refrain. that's it. like i said, i don't hardly post but check it out everyday and see the same people everyday. same opinion or not. i do hope you get banned though.[/quote]

I don't post often either. I like to log on and read what many of these knowledgable skins' opinions. But when 13 yr old, I mean 31?? yr old, punks decide to display how trashy they can be I almost get too fed up to read further. If I lived anywhere close to Lancaster, I'd ask you for your address PORTERHOUSE. I'd take you up on your offer. Seriously, you're 31 ? lol

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[quote=PorterHouse;290408]Yeah but thats what it is, as soon as you go against what everyone else thinks all these dick ridin puppets try to belittle that person. Im not tryin to be a gangster and Lancaster isnt all amish country. But I will put my foot up someones ass. If anyone is interested then lets make plans and get it in. Im sick of all you punks hidin behind you computer screen. Get a life bitches.[/quote]


I'm your huckleberry.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;290391]Rob, that pic is absolutely priceless stuff. Dmek, are you the one that's strapped?[/quote]
i cant belive you guts would blow my cover like that

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[quote=Redskins8588;290443]Yeah, it would be nice to have another top end safety, but, I may be a puppet here, I think that a DT or DE would be best for our D. Before everyone starts calling me "[B]Pinocchio[/B]" hear me out. I look at the Pittsburgh Steelers D. I mean for the longest time there secondary sucked. Thier corners got beat like they stole something. But thier D was always in the top 10. That is because they had a very good front 7 that could rush the QB. IMO, you do not need to have top secondary players if your front 7 keeps the QB on his back or on the run.

So I believe that by drafting a stud DT or DE that will indirectly help out secondary...[/quote]


Very similiar with Jacksonville's D as well. They have an outstanding front 7 which makes their corners look decent. When the corner leaves and plays for a team with a terrible D-line, his sub-par play becomes spotlighted.

On the other hand, secondary and D-line compliment each other. If the secondary is truly a shut down unit then the QB has to go through more reads to find the open man. Which means more time for the "sack masters" to get to him. If the sack masters can get to the QB faster then the secondary doesn't have to cover as long.

It's very similiar to peanut butter and jelly. Both can be okay individually but together they form the perfect combination.

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[quote=DGreene28;290453]I'm your huckleberry.[/quote]
is this a tombstone reference? i am not big on westerns, but that is one of my all time favorite movies

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[quote=GMScud;290393]This is a repost from me from the Vinny thread, but it's on topic here:

I heard the Falcons are high on LaRon Landry. If rumors started floating that we were targeting Landry as well, Atlanta may come off one of their second round picks to swap first round picks with us. That would put us in the 8th spot, where we could still get one of the elite D-lineman in the draft....[/quote]



I think this post got lost in the mix, but I like the thought here... the only problem I see is that the Vikings dont seem to be taking any interest in him and we certainly don't need him, so the Falcons should probably be content not trading up to get him...

They just lost kearny, so I don't think they would be against taking a d-lineman if they gamble and lose, and since their secondary is not exactly the weakness on that team... I see them addressing their front 7, or even an offensive player in their draft if landry is gone. I just think if he's there at 6, he'll probably be there at 8...

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[quote=PorterHouse;290408]Yeah but thats what it is, as soon as you go against what everyone else thinks all these dick ridin puppets try to belittle that person. Im not tryin to be a gangster and Lancaster isnt all amish country. But I will put my foot up someones ass. If anyone is interested then lets make plans and get it in. Im sick of all you punks hidin behind you computer screen. Get a life bitches.[/quote]

Get out of your Mom's basement and make something of yourself you little girl!!!!

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Landry is something special. Having both of those guys would be awesome! Not likely with us signing Omar and PP coming back from the injury. The guy is an excellent cover Safety which would allow us to blitz Sean Taylor more. Landry is a ball hawk. We need guys who are going to create and make big plays on defense. Remember that thing called a turnover??? After last year I'm not sure if we do..........

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i had a dream last night that i had to make the draft choice out of nowhere, and for some reason the first 5 picks were defensive ends, and i took landry...maybe its a sign

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[quote=Big C;290533]i had a dream last night that i had to make the draft choice out of nowhere, and for some reason the first 5 picks were defensive ends, and i took landry...maybe its a sign[/quote]That's crazy!

How could you pass on Calvin Johnson!!!!111!!!!111!!one

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Let me expand on the reason why I like the idea of Landry. FS with his skills don't come around every year, especially when your in a postion to draft them. If we draft him, IMO we would be set in the secondary for the next ten years. We could have average corners, which to me are a dime a dozen like decent RB's, and always expect plays to be made by our defensive secondary. It is also a "safer" pick because you can almost garauntee that Landry is going to be a stud. I don't know if the same can be said for any of the DL prospects. It would be an unorthodox set up, I mean, who has two probowl safties? But I honestly think it would work. Landry is the ballhawking FS and Taylor can MASH people all day long, and still give you coverage when you need it. Now, if we go for it and we completely blow this year, next year we'll be in position to go after DL early in the first and second rounds of the draft, as well as look at free agents. Do you really think that taking a DL would make or break this season? I like our chances now and in the future on D with Landry and Taylor back there. DL can and will be addressed. You don't HAVE TO take one in this years first round.

On top of all that it would just be fun to see how a Defense employed two safties of that caliber. I imagine it would give opposing teams fits, especially a little further down the road once we beef up our pass rush. It doesn't all have to be done in one offseason. Can you imagine those two back there once the front seven catches up and generates and NFL pass rush?

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;290574]Let me expand on the reason why I like the idea of Landry. FS with his skills don't come around every year, especially when your in a postion to draft them. If we draft him, IMO we would be set in the secondary for the next ten years. We could have average corners, which to me are a dime a dozen like decent RB's, and always expect plays to be made by our defensive secondary. It is also a "safer" pick because you can almost garauntee that Landry is going to be a stud. I don't know if the same can be said for any of the DL prospects. It would be an unorthodox set up, I mean, who has two probowl safties? But I honestly think it would work. Landry is the ballhawking FS and Taylor can MASH people all day long, and still give you coverage when you need it. Now, if we go for it and we completely blow this year, next year we'll be in position to go after DL early in the first and second rounds of the draft, as well as look at free agents. Do you really think that taking a DL would make or break this season? I like our chances now and in the future on D with Landry and Taylor back there. DL can and will be addressed. You don't HAVE TO take one in this years first round.

On top of all that it would just be fun to see how a Defense employed two safties of that caliber. I imagine it would give opposing teams fits, especially a little further down the road once we beef up our pass rush. It doesn't all have to be done in one offseason. Can you imagine those two back there once the front seven catches up and generates and NFL pass rush?[/quote]

Joe Gibbs and Snyder are not dummies. They see the talent. I'm sure Landry is a real consideration for us at # 6. A guy like that has to be. Especially with AA last year and no real replacement.

Come on now, are we banking on Omar? He stinks! I don't like that signing at all. PP, his knee injury is the most severe you can have.

I think our D line is not that bad......we're aging but not terrible. Daniels and Carter can get it done. Griffin needs to stay healthy but he's a probowler......the new guy at tackle was good also.

Having Fletcher anchor our D from the middle is very solid. Best signing for us in a long while.......

I'd love to see us take a chance with Landry but would not be heart broken with Gaines Adams or Branch.

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Well there's still the slighty outside the box thinking of moving Springs to safety.

Or we could go really crazy and move LeMar Marshall back to his college position of safety

Seriously though, is there any team we can trade down with that would give us picks and a veteran safety?

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i think we only move springs to safety if we bring in a top corner. hes the only #1 corner we have. rogers and smoot would be ok, but who would be the nickel? the ade? stoutmire?

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I think the whole argument comes down to drafting for need, or drafting for talent. Obviously our biggest need is on the D line, but we are likely to have the choice of better talent at the #6 spot.

Personally, I think the best policy is to draft for VALUE.

Imagine that all teams have the same number of picks. The teams which get the most value from their draft picks will have the most effective draft. Their draft picks will have been put to better use than teams which don't draft for value (i.e.: more bang for your buck).

So, the question is: who is the better value, Landry or the top-rated DL available at #6?

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Think about it guys, The Washington Redskins made AA the highest paid safety in NFL history last year!

We obviously value that position tremendouly.

Not out of this world we go with Landry at # 6.

Just think about it........

Springs isn't the answer, he's capable but not the long term fix.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;290582]Well there's still the slighty outside the box thinking of moving Springs to safety.

Seriously though, is there any team we can trade down with that would give us picks and a veteran safety?[/QUOTE]
The sentence above reeks of a move for Dre Bly...#21 and Bly for #6...

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Just a thought, Is this talk of Landry with the #6 pick just a means to leverage the Falcons for a 1st round Swap and additional picks?

I agree Landry is good but isn't he worth passing up on if we could acquire another Day 1 pick in the process?

Also what the hell is this talk of us moving up to get Jamarcus Russell? Please tell me thats a joke.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;290592]I think the whole argument comes down to drafting for need, or drafting for talent. Obviously our biggest need is on the D line, but we are likely to have the choice of better talent at the #6 spot.

Personally, I think the best policy is to draft for VALUE.

Imagine that all teams have the same number of picks. The teams which get the most value from their draft picks will have the most effective draft. Their draft picks will have been put to better use than teams which don't draft for value (i.e.: more bang for your buck).

So, the question is: who is the better value, Landry or the top-rated DL available at #6?[/quote]


I like your idea, but could you explain the concept of "value" a little more. Although I don't know [I]exactly[/I] what you mean, I think one of the biggest hurdles to signing Landry would be a question of how much can you spend on saftey, which has typically been one of the NFL defensive positions that receives less cap space. Signing Landry could potentially give us problems signing players at more "important" positions. This is obviously something to think about. Honestly, I would only do it if I thought that a Landry/Taylor combo could actually "change the game" and give us a real advantage over teams that wouldn't have that kind of talent and versatility at saftey.

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If we can we need to trade down.If that isn't an option then okye,j.anderson or gaines adams.

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[quote=Longtimefan;290313]Is the hammer down yet? You're a patient man Matty.[/quote]


yeah man you really are that guy is an ass how long is he banned for

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;290592]I think the whole argument comes down to drafting for need, or drafting for talent. Obviously our biggest need is on the D line, but we are likely to have the choice of better talent at the #6 spot.

Personally, I think the best policy is to draft for VALUE.

Imagine that all teams have the same number of picks. The teams which get the most value from their draft picks will have the most effective draft. Their draft picks will have been put to better use than teams which don't draft for value (i.e.: more bang for your buck).

So, the question is: who is the better value, Landry or the top-rated DL available at #6?[/quote]Good post. Very well said.

Value is relative to your team, and players have different values to each team. But one leaguewide rule of thumb is that EVERY position on the D Line is more valuable than the second safety.

I guess the arguement can be made that Landry will be a better player than Sean Taylor, and I would agree with that, but Landry + Taylor really isn't a whole lot different than Taylor + Prioleau. Ultimately the entire state of our safeties comes back to how much discipline ST wants to play with. Landry or not, its going to be a good situation if Taylor plays smart, and a bad one if he is a giant hole in coverage a la last year. Landry wont make a huge impact either way, ESPECIALLY AS A ROOKIE.

Any D Lineman is more valuable than Landry.

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[quote=JDALY27;290579]Joe Gibbs and Snyder are not dummies. They see the talent. I'm sure Landry is a real consideration for us at # 6. A guy like that has to be. Especially with AA last year and no real replacement.

Come on now, are we banking on Omar? He stinks! I don't like that signing at all. PP, his knee injury is the most severe you can have.

I think our D line is not that bad......we're aging but not terrible. Daniels and Carter can get it done. Griffin needs to stay healthy but he's a probowler......the new guy at tackle was good also.

Having Fletcher anchor our D from the middle is very solid. Best signing for us in a long while.......

I'd love to see us take a chance with Landry but would not be heart broken with Gaines Adams or Branch.[/quote]Has Corneilius Griffin ever been to a pro bowl?

I don't know how you are evaluating these players. We had the flat out worst defensive line in the league last year. We were horrible vs. the run, and horrible vs. the pass. We need fresh blood.

Stoutmire isn't the starter at safety. Prioleau is coming off a major injury (in September of last year, he's already 6+ months into his recovery), but will likely be fine for next season.

The point is, we had Archuleta on the roster. We could have kept him as an established talent and given him a shot to win his job back. But we traded him and took his cap hit. That move SCREAMS confidence in our guys already at the position. Whenever it's cheaper to keep an incumbant starter, and he's cut anyway, rest assured that the solution is in house.

Prioleau will be ready to go.

Unless we want the defense to be horrible again, we have to plan to add help in the trenches. I would get help at DT, but we are going to need to address both positions over the next few years, so it wouldn't kill me if they picked at end. The worst thing we could do would be to not get any fresh blood on the DL in this draft.

Again, I wouldn't expect a big DL improvement this year because rookies tend to have minimal impact, but getting fresh blood is paramount so that in 2008 and 2009, our defense isnt still horrible.

Daniels and Wynn are all but cooked. Carter is one dimensional. Griffin may never be the player of 2004-05 again, and we don't have a good option at the 2nd DT. We could use help anywhere.

That's the state of this defense right now.

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I would be much more worried about Sean Taylor being a factor in coverage this year then I would be about Prioleau and Stoutmire at that other safety.

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[quote=GTripp0012;290841]Good post. Very well said.

Value is relative to your team, and players have different values to each team. But one leaguewide rule of thumb is that EVERY position on the D Line is more valuable than the second safety.

I guess the arguement can be made that Landry will be a better player than Sean Taylor, and I would agree with that, but Landry + Taylor really isn't a whole lot different than Taylor + Prioleau. Ultimately the entire state of our safeties comes back to how much discipline ST wants to play with. Landry or not, its going to be a good situation if Taylor plays smart, and a bad one if he is a giant hole in coverage a la last year. Landry wont make a huge impact either way, ESPECIALLY AS A ROOKIE.

Any D Lineman is more valuable than Landry.[/quote]

I have always believed that the game of football is won in the trenches. All signs point to us adding DL help considering it's importance and our obvious deficiency in that area. That is clearly our most pressing need and the conventional wisdom as well. All I am saying is, hold off, just one more year. And here's why.

The opportunity to draft Landry is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity which very well could be a watershed moment for the game of football. Adding Landry could potentially give us a legitimate secondary no matter who is playing cornerback for the next ten years, something hitherto unheard of in football lore. Not only that, but God only knows what would be the devastating impact of two potential Hall of Fame safeties playing together side by side in their primes. They can blitz, they can cover, they can hit, they can run, they can wreak havoc all over the field and keep opposing OC's and players guessing for a decade. Not only that but I strongly believe that ST is the heart and soul of the entire team. If he can live up to his unlimited potential, he could become the defensive player of the year. But you know what? He's bored. Having someone by his side who challenges him, pushes him, even outclasses him at times, would serve as a constant reminder to him of how hard it is to be the best. They would feed off each other, and trust me, so would the entire team, no, scratch that, the entire Redskins' nation. The positive energy that would be unleashed by combining these freaks of the game would alter the cosmos so much that opposing teams would have no choice but to succumb to their inevitable defeat when faced with [I]Us.[/I]

And if all that doesn't happen and it is a total flop, that's fine too. I don't see another SB coming around the bend unless JC or someone else becomes the franchise QB we've been sorely lacking. We have plenty of time to draft DL while JC develops. Think about it, if he turns out to be a flop we'll have to wait even longer to even hope to do the thing that all teams hope to do and that is win the Super Bowl. Trust me, it ain't happening if we don't get a QB.

We will in all likelihood never know what a Taylor/Landry combination would do to the game of football. I just don't think putting the DL blinders on and not at least pondering the potential impact of fielding the best safety duo in the history of football is the only plan, Stan.

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i have been saying this stuff since the nfl combine. i cant believe after all we here about gaines adams not impressing the coaching staff and not know enough about jamal anderson, that we wouldnt select a gu like landry who is a sure thing. branch is lazy and who wants a guy with so many negative reports anyways, all thats good about him is his size. well laron laundry can play either safety position and played corner at lsu for two years also so his cover skills are extremely good. Landry is a great pick for the simple fact that the DL and secondary go hand and hand. the famous clitche that rogers used last year because he sucked in coverage was "show me a pass rush and i will show you good coverage". well this is true but you show me a freakish secondary like we will have when healthy next year and i will show you a pass rush garunteed. having 4 or 5 guys in your secondary that can cover all or most recievers that can be put out there lets your front 7 or 6 be so creative. remember all the crazy blitzs that we used to run and get pressure on the quarterback? yeah well just imagine that when we have the sickest secondary in the league. gregg williams will be allowed to come up with some crazy schemes which will only benefit guys on the front line like carter, daniels, griff, and salavea. good dts are everywhere in the draft too so it makes more sense not to draft one at 6....thats what laron landry brings to the table.....STABILITY IN THE SECONDARY!!!! almost unheard of in the nfl.. hes a great pick at 6 and a sure thing unlike the dline man avialble.

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One of the scouting reports I read said that he wasn't very stout in the run game. I know he's accomplished as a cover safety, but remember that BOTH are run D & pass D sucked last year. Fletcher should help the run D, but it still needs great improvement. In short, we need balance, that's why I think we'll take a D linemen.

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[quote=GTripp0012;290844]I would be much more worried about Sean Taylor being a factor in coverage this year then I would be about Prioleau and Stoutmire at that other safety.[/quote]

why do you say that

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the one thing that most forget is that there is no such thing as a sure thing. we need us some defensive linemen

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sean taylor was a sure thing
chris samuels was a sure thing
champ bailey was a sure thing

there are only a few sure things and landry is one of them, he is the second best player in this draft and best defensive player.....his knock for not being stout in the run game is listed as his only weakness, and even so hes not a pussy in the run game, he tackles extremely well. yeah he cant take on a full back but we dont need him to do things like that, we need a coverage safety more than a run stopping safety.....hell if you wanted a run stopper why get rid of archeletta. landry has put on 15 pounds since his last football game and still ran a 4.38......he is a sure thing pal.

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i love seasn taylor, but what exactly was he a sure thing about? to me, he looked like the next coming of ronnie lott. so far, he is average at best. and wasnt lavar arrington, tim couch, ryan leaf, to name a few, sure things?

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While it would put a strain on our depth at the LB position, I wish it were so that Lemar Marshall could still play at SS the position he had some experience at playing in college. I don't know that his speed, or cover skills are adaquate enough. While it may seem far-fetched, it's just a thought.

From reports I've heard, we intend to use Pierson Prioleau as our starting SS, and at 188lbs. I wonder. Taylor and Marshall would give us two 230 lb. plus safeties, formidable in the run game just wonder if Marshall has enough speed, or just be another AA. It would allow Rocky the opportunity to start on the weak side, as well as get our best defensive players on the field at the same time.

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[quote=Longtimefan;290899]While it would put a strain on our depth at the LB position, I wish it were so that Lemar Marshall could still play at SS the position he had some experience at playing in college. I don't know that his speed, or cover skills are adaquate enough. While it may seem far-fetched, it's just a thought.

From reports I've heard, we intend to use Pierson Prioleau as our starting SS, and at 188lbs. I wonder. Taylor and Marshall would give us two 230 lb. plus safeties, formidable in the run game just wonder if Marshall has enough speed, or just be another AA. It would allow Rocky the opportunity to start on the weak side, as well as get our best defensive players on the field at the same time.[/quote]

They would be a fearsome duo against the run, no doubt. But we had enough problems in pass protection last year. Lemar struggled at MLB this past season. We traded a draft pick to move up to get Rocky, who improved throughout the year. I think Lemar needs to compete with him for a starting job at OLB. Hopefully Marcus comes back from his hip surgery okay....

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[QUOTE=GMScud;290914]They would be a fearsome duo against the run, no doubt. But we had enough problems in pass protection last year. Lemar struggled at MLB this past season. We traded a draft pick to move up to get Rocky, who improved throughout the year. I think Lemar needs to compete with him for a starting job at OLB. Hopefully Marcus comes back from his hip surgery okay....[/QUOTE]


You're probably right. I offered it up soley as hypothetical to see what others might think. My major concern with that suggestion would be Marshall's ability (or lack thereof) in coverage.

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[quote=Longtimefan;290922]You're probably right. I offered it up soley as hypothetical to see what others might think. My major concern with that suggestion would be Marshall's ability (or lack thereof) in coverage.[/quote]

Yeah, it would be fun to watch them knock some heads against a run-heavy team and/or short passes over the middle. But as you said, Marshall would probably struggle in a big way in coverage.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;290874]why do you say that[/quote]I guess the short answer would be that Prioleau is not an unknown at this point in his career. He's going to run, he's going to cover, he's going to hit, and he's going to play disiplined football.

Sean Taylor is a huge unknown. The only sure thing about him is that when he's on the field, heads are gonna roll. Mentally, he's not always there, and I'm not sure that he's even got the attention span to EVER be an elite safety. Some games like Carolina and New Orleans, he played very well. But most games, he was out of position, consistently trailing the play, biting on any fake, and just playing the game with a high school mentality. That's not coaching, that's on the player. I'm not sure we are ever going to get him to play smart because I'm not sure you can teach football smarts. But at least we can get him to play his assignments, thats a bare minimum.

Adding Laron Landry would be a gross waste of his talent, simply because of the nature of the guy he'd be playing next to. If Sean Taylor continues to bite on every play fake a QB can offer, our pass coverage will remain horrible. Landry (or anyone for that matter) is not good enough to make up for a giant hole in our pass coverage.

On the contrary, if Taylor does step up his game and plays disciplined, we really don't gain anything by having a great second safety. The scheme will almost surely hide Landry's athleticism. The second safety doesn't have a big role in any defense, and ours is no exception.

Finally, if we don't draft some DL help this year, we push our rebuilding back a whole year. Already, the next year we can expect to have a competant DL is 2008, and if we dont draft a guy this year, that gets pushed back to 2009. Delaying the rebuilding of the defense to add an enforcer is never a good plan.

The building blocks of our defense are:
Andre Carter, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, and Sean Taylor.

Most teams have more than 4 guys on their defense who will be with the team down the road. We dont. Due to this, we MUST be smart and use our limited draft picks at key positions. If we look to replace any of those guys, we will certainly set our rebuilding back a few years.

A Landry pick would be great value for any team lacking a competant safety, but unless you make the argument that Sean Taylor will never be a competant safety, it's hard to justify the Landry pick. Even so, DL help is paramount, so it's hard to justify it anyway.

That was the long answer.

Re: Should the Redskins consider LSU Safety Laron Landry with the 6th overall pick
 

[quote=Longtimefan;290899]While it would put a strain on our depth at the LB position, I wish it were so that Lemar Marshall could still play at SS the position he had some experience at playing in college. I don't know that his speed, or cover skills are adaquate enough. While it may seem far-fetched, it's just a thought.

From reports I've heard, we intend to use Pierson Prioleau as our starting SS, and at 188lbs. I wonder. Taylor and Marshall would give us two 230 lb. plus safeties, formidable in the run game just wonder if Marshall has enough speed, or just be another AA. It would allow Rocky the opportunity to start on the weak side, as well as get our best defensive players on the field at the same time.[/quote]It's certainly an interesting idea, but my evaluation of Marshall has led me to the conclusion that he's no longer fit to cover consistenly from the MLB position, and making him a safety would probably be a diaster.

One thing I would like to see this year (depending on who we draft) is some 3-4 packages with Fletcher and Marshall/Rocky in the middle and Washington and Carter or somebody on the outside. Wynn, Saleve'a, and Griffin would man the 3 man DL. I think that could be a very interesting wrinkle in our defense.

But all wrinkles aside, this is the perfect year to shore up the DT situation, be it with Okoye, or Branch/Harrell if we have to trade down. It's a position that could be a problem area as early as 2008, so we need to address it right now in the hopes that the guy we take can grow in the system in one season and be ready to start next year.

If we can orchestrate a trade down, I would hope that we could get some DE help in later rounds. But with Daniels and Wynn apparently on board for one more season, we can hold off a year on DE as long as we promise to address it next year.

Re: Should the Redskins consider LSU Safety Laron Landry with the 6th overall pick
 

I think that Taylor regressed a little last season due to lack of stability at the SS position. Prioleau gets hurt, AA gets benched, Vincent comes out of nowhere... When Ryan Clark was back there putting Sean in the right spots he was much better at not biting on fakes and staying in position. In '05 you rarely saw #21 behind the play.

Bringing in Landry would be bad for Taylor. Taylor is not a leader/mentor. On the contrary, he needs one. Prioleau will be able to fill that role. As would Springs if he moved over. I'm sure Taylor felt like he was alone on an island all of last season. The SS position needs to be filled by a smart vet who can pass cover well.

Re: Should the Redskins consider LSU Safety Laron Landry with the 6th overall pick
 

I agree that D-line is a must. I just get really nervous on draft day because Gibbs is not afraid to trade away the next year's picks. I hope they don't trade away next year's 2nd or 3rd rounder again just to shore up the d-line this year. It seems like we're playing it a little more conservative this offseason, however...