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You know, another thing we might thinking is let's draft Laron Landry this year and then next off-season we sign free-agent DT Tommie Harris (who just happens to be a Rosenhaus client)

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

[quote=SmootSmack;300569]You know, another thing we might thinking is let's draft Laron Landry this year and then next off-season we sign free-agent DT Tommie Harris (who just happens to be a Rosenhaus client)[/quote]


that would be great

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

[quote=SmootSmack;300569]You know, another thing we might thinking is let's draft Laron Landry this year and then next off-season we sign free-agent DT Tommie Harris (who just happens to be a Rosenhaus client)[/quote]

That is the kind of patient and savvy thinking I am looking for. There are a million and one ways to solidify the DL without losing LL in the process. Hell yes!

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;300614]That is the kind of patient and savvy thinking I am looking for. There are a million and one ways to solidify the DL without losing LL in the process. Hell yes![/quote]


draft laron landry lets just do it

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

if we draft Landry who is your choice to adress the gaurd postition and dt position?

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;300622]if we draft Landry who is your choice to adress the gaurd postition and dt position?[/quote]


i told u stone cold steve austin and the great khali

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

Roy Williams cannot cover and doesn't hit like Taylor, so I hope to God that Landry is better than Roy Williams.

Saying that Landry is the next Ed Reed is a pretty bold statement since Reed is a guaranteed Hall of Famer. If you know who the next Hall of fame players are why aren't you working for ESPN or Danny?

This team does not need a safety. Isn't Landry basically in the mold of Taylor? Taylor had great cover skills in college. Having no defensive line has made him look like he can't cover a cold. What good is it to draft an inferior Sean Taylor when we have the real thing?

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;300643]Roy Williams cannot cover and doesn't hit like Taylor, so I hope to God that Landry is better than Roy Williams.

Saying that Landry is the next Ed Reed is a pretty bold statement since Reed is a guaranteed Hall of Famer. If you know who the next Hall of fame players are why aren't you working for ESPN or Danny?

This team does not need a safety. Isn't Landry basically in the mold of Taylor? Taylor had great cover skills in college. Having no defensive line has made him look like he can't cover a cold. What good is it to draft an inferior Sean Taylor when we have the real thing?[/QUOTE]

I agree with just about everything outside of Roy Williams' hitting ability, the guy can thump with the best of them. Three years ago I thought he killed Coles, I think that was when LC decided he didn't want to be a Skin anymore. It wasn't the short patterns, it was the short patterns in front of Roy Williams. ST produces the same fear factor, I'll take ST because once upon a time Taylor could actually cover.

As for LL, we draft him and maybe teams don't go deep with the success they did last year. But we still can't stop the run or pressure the passer, and if you give NFL qbs time they will find someone open.

It's gonna be interesting, that's for sure.

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couple things here,

1-drafting on need gets you a average at best corner in carlos rogers when you could have had a shawne merriman. drafting on talent gives you a jason campbell, remember we were "set" at qb with brunell and ramsey. you should never draft on need, you draft on talent.

2-mel kiper is an idiot if he thinks landrys pass coverage is a weakness, this guy has played every postion in the secondary and at a high level in the effing sec. the recievers are not exactly bad in the sec.

3-someone mentioned all the top defense had great front sevens and not great back sevens. well first off that is a lie because if you think that new englands back seven is not better then thier front seven, you dont watch football. baltimore has one of the best secondaries in the league, and remember back seven includes roughly half of the front seven. oaklands defensive line looks much like ours does. i would say the only defenses on there that your argument may hold true is chicago and miami but i think at best your evidence suggests that it is a stalemate btw front sevens and back sevens.

4- based on what will be available at 6, we should take either landry or okoye, in that order. they are saying landry maybe gone at 4 to tampa. but if landry is there he is a cant miss prospect and even for all your haters who want to draft on need, think of this real good and tell me i am not right...........who plays safety next year for us right now! people are saying peirson prelou or PP. are you effing kidding me, when has that guy been a starter in the nfl for one and two this guy blew his knee out last year, so ask edgerian james if he was 100 percent the year after his knee, or lavar for that matter....the other hot thing is moving sean springs to safety right! so you want smoot and rogers at corner....both of whom are number two corners at best in this league. rogers is a busted draft pick anyone taken 9 should be a shut down corner and he never will be. smoot has to reprove his worth. so you want to take our best corner back that we have on the roster and move him to safety???? outragous...sounds like you are thinking like the front office you critic so much. you dont take your best corner and put him at safety you just dont do that.....so that will help you figure out who we should take at number 6.....LARON LANDRY

[quote=skins009;300099]Having a good front seven is more beneficial than having a good back seven. This is evident by examining the best defense's from last year.

1.Baltimore 2.Jacksonville 3.Oakland 4.Miami 5.Chicago 6.New England
Baltimore has talent at every postion
We all know everything on the Jaguars defense stats with the two big [B]DT[/B] up front
Oakland, miami, chicago and New england all have BAD secondaries if you ask me. However, they are able to disguise this with excellent dlines. For the love of god pick Omobi![/quote]

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This speculation and rumor-mill junk is killing me. Please, could someone speed the draft up. If do not pick-up a top tier D-lineman in the draft, we can only hope for one in free agency. But I fear that we have missed the boat on that.

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[QUOTE=holcknowsbest;300674]couple things here,

1-drafting on need gets you a average at best corner in carlos rogers when you could have had a shawne merriman. drafting on talent gives you a jason campbell, remember we were "set" at qb with brunell and ramsey. you should never draft on need, you draft on talent.

2-mel kiper is an idiot if he thinks landrys pass coverage is a weakness, this guy has played every postion in the secondary and at a high level in the effing sec. the recievers are not exactly bad in the sec.

3-someone mentioned all the top defense had great front sevens and not great back sevens. well first off that is a lie because if you think that new englands back seven is not better then thier front seven, you dont watch football. baltimore has one of the best secondaries in the league, and remember back seven includes roughly half of the front seven. oaklands defensive line looks much like ours does. i would say the only defenses on there that your argument may hold true is chicago and miami but i think at best your evidence suggests that it is a stalemate btw front sevens and back sevens.

4- based on what will be available at 6, we should take either landry or okoye, in that order. they are saying landry maybe gone at 4 to tampa. but if landry is there he is a cant miss prospect and even for all your haters who want to draft on need, think of this real good and tell me i am not right...........who plays safety next year for us right now! people are saying peirson prelou or PP. are you effing kidding me, when has that guy been a starter in the nfl for one and two this guy blew his knee out last year, so ask edgerian james if he was 100 percent the year after his knee, or lavar for that matter....the other hot thing is moving sean springs to safety right! so you want smoot and rogers at corner....both of whom are number two corners at best in this league. rogers is a busted draft pick anyone taken 9 should be a shut down corner and he never will be. smoot has to reprove his worth. so you want to take our best corner back that we have on the roster and move him to safety???? outragous...sounds like you are thinking like the front office you critic so much. you dont take your best corner and put him at safety you just dont do that.....so that will help you figure out who we should take at number 6.....LARON LANDRY[/QUOTE]

New Englands secondary is better than their D-line? THat might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. NE might have the best dline in the league. Seymour when health might be the best d-linemen in the league, Ty Watten 7.5 sacks and 84 tackles, Jarvis Green 7.5 sacks, Rossevelt Colvin 8.5 sacks and then there's Vince Worfolk who is a monster at Nose tackle. New Englands second was injuried all season yet they didn't have a drop off in performance because they are protected by their d-line. The d-line is by far the most impact position on the defensive side of the ball. And your right about the C Rogers of S Merriman was dumb. But its night like we didn't need a pass rusher that year either. We've needed a pass rusher for a decade now. Its just our sorry as personnel department.

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

I like Landry also; not really impressed with any of the d-lineman in this years draft.

Need a compliment to Taylor so that he can play closer to the line of scrimmage and make plays without worrying about getting torched deep.

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just another reason to draft landry [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2844964]ESPN.com - NFL/DRAFT07 - Pasquarelli: Teams struggle to find right inside man[/url]

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

i'm really scared to pick a d-lineman with our pick because the chance they bust are so high. I wish we could trade down and still pick up landry but if we don't take him the vikings or atlanta probably will.
I would like to think that he would be able to help out on run support if he'd be on our team because all indications show that he is good at analyzing the play and helping out against the run. I wish he was just a bit bulkier. The things about Landry that i love though is that he is a sideline to sideline player and he is a smart player. His sophomore year was sick with 90+ tackles, 4 ints, 3 sacks, and 5 tackles for losses. He has great potential and with taylor he will be able to maximize it. To have 3 starters in the secondary who are all top 10 picks in the past 4 years would be awesome. Even springs is a top 5 pick.

Overall, there are so many things that we can do with our pick and this is something that I would not be against. If we pick him i won't be mad.

Re: My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry
 

[quote=holcknowsbest;300674]4- based on what will be available at 6, we should take either landry or okoye, in that order. they are saying landry maybe gone at 4 to tampa. but if landry is there he is a cant miss prospect and even for all your haters who want to draft on need, think of this real good and tell me i am not right...........who plays safety next year for us right now! people are saying peirson prelou or PP. are you effing kidding me, when has that guy been a starter in the nfl for one and two this guy blew his knee out last year, so ask edgerian james if he was 100 percent the year after his knee, or lavar for that matter....the other hot thing is moving sean springs to safety right! so you want smoot and rogers at corner....both of whom are number two corners at best in this league. rogers is a busted draft pick anyone taken 9 should be a shut down corner and he never will be. smoot has to reprove his worth. so you want to take our best corner back that we have on the roster and move him to safety???? outragous...sounds like you are thinking like the front office you critic so much. you dont take your best corner and put him at safety you just dont do that.....so that will help you figure out who we should take at number 6.....LARON LANDRY[/quote]Because rookie, inexperienced, green as grass, never played a snap before Landry would be sooooo much better than Prioleau?

If you are drafting to fill an immedate need, you're insane. Draft prospects don't even start to show you any seblance of return until their second or third seasons. If you can sqeeze replacement level play out of Landry as a rookie, that's an added bonus, but any first year guy you put back in the secondary to disect routes and make reads is going to get burned. Think Danieal Manning, Super Bowl.

If we had two first round safeties, we would clog up one of the most fungible positions on the field with players we can't take off the field. So you know what would happen if Reed Doughty turned out to be a gem at safety (or anyone else for that matter)? He walks and becomes a stud somewhere else. We continue to get gashed by the run and struggle to consistenly rush the passer.

I'm glad you aren't making the final call.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;300798]i'm really scared to pick a d-lineman with our pick because the chance they bust are so high. I wish we could trade down and still pick up landry but if we don't take him the vikings or atlanta probably will.
I would like to think that he would be able to help out on run support if he'd be on our team because all indications show that he is good at analyzing the play and helping out against the run. I wish he was just a bit bulkier. The things about Landry that i love though is that he is a sideline to sideline player and he is a smart player. His sophomore year was sick with 90+ tackles, 4 ints, 3 sacks, and 5 tackles for losses. He has great potential and with taylor he will be able to maximize it. To have 3 starters in the secondary who are all top 10 picks in the past 4 years would be awesome. Even springs is a top 5 pick.

Overall, there are so many things that we can do with our pick and this is something that I would not be against. If we pick him i won't be mad.[/quote]Well the key is to just pick the guy with the biggest body of work in college (Adams, Carriker, or Okoye), and just hope for the best. If we take a guy like Anderson, we could be in trouble. Anderson could project anywhere from dominant to complete bust because of his small body of work in college, and its almost an equal spread of probability.

Just because DL tend to bust because its harder to project them to the NFL, doesn't mean that we can't do some stuff to make sure we get the right guy.

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[quote=skins009;300681]New Englands secondary is better than their D-line? THat might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. NE might have the best dline in the league. Seymour when health might be the best d-linemen in the league, Ty Watten 7.5 sacks and 84 tackles, Jarvis Green 7.5 sacks, Rossevelt Colvin 8.5 sacks and then there's Vince Worfolk who is a monster at Nose tackle. New Englands second was injuried all season yet they didn't have a drop off in performance because they are protected by their d-line. The d-line is by far the most impact position on the defensive side of the ball. And your right about the C Rogers of S Merriman was dumb. But its night like we didn't need a pass rusher that year either. We've needed a pass rusher for a decade now. Its just our sorry as personnel department.[/quote]

I can't say whether or not I agree with this. How many of these are coverage sacks? It's a very tough call.

I started out as a safety (before switching to wr) my freshman year in college, and all we were shown was clips of the patriots secondary over and over. They were ridiculous.

Scheme wise especially, they ran such a fierce secondary. It was really fun to watch. Granted, that was in 05... I still think it's too tough to call.