Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;305977]For what logical reason would you think height is "overrated" for a WR?[/QUOTE]

I think the precedent was established with the Rams in 1999. Holt, Bruce, and Hakim were all under 6 feet tall, yet they were virtually unstoppable. At that point, many offensive philosophies shifted from big, lanky wideouts like Rice, Irvin, Chris Carter and Jake Reed to smaller, shiftier guys with the emphasis on speed.

Also, the NFL today is more about timing and a receiver’s ability to avoid tackles after the catch. You don’t see too many jump balls lobbed up in the hopes that the tallest man wins.

Bottom line is, teams are recognizing that having a 6'2, 6'3, or 6'4 receiver is a nice bonus, but not a necessity.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Beemnseven;306034]I think the precedent was established with the Rams in 1999. Holt, Bruce, and Hakim were all under 6 feet tall, yet they were virtually unstoppable. At that point, many offensive philosophies shifted from big, lanky wideouts like Rice, Irvin, Chris Carter and Jake Reed to smaller, shiftier guys with the emphasis on speed.

Also, the NFL today is more about timing and a receiver’s ability to avoid tackles after the catch. You don’t see too many jump balls lobbed up in the hopes that the tallest man wins.

Bottom line is, teams are recognizing that having a 6'2, 6'3, or 6'4 receiver is a nice bonus, but not a necessity.[/quote]

I agree it's a nice bonus. Santana is living proof you don't have to be 6'5"

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Look no further than someone like Steve Smith for the WR height is overrated take.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Beemnseven;306034]I think the precedent was established with the Rams in 1999. Holt, Bruce, and Hakim were all under 6 feet tall, yet they were virtually unstoppable. At that point, many offensive philosophies shifted from big, lanky wideouts like Rice, Irvin, Chris Carter and Jake Reed to smaller, shiftier guys with the emphasis on speed.

Also, the NFL today is more about timing and a receiver’s ability to avoid tackles after the catch. You don’t see too many jump balls lobbed up in the hopes that the tallest man wins.

Bottom line is, teams are recognizing that having a 6'2, 6'3, or 6'4 receiver is a nice bonus, but not a necessity.[/quote]

Now this is from memory but I don't think Rice Carter and Reed were very tall. Sorry no commas on this keyboard.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Regardless of what you think of Key's personality, you can't deny his ability to go over the middle and take the big hits- time after time, he'd move the chains. Alot of players with similar egos never block like KJ, either. For a guy who does a lot of talking, he goes 100 percent on the field and does the dirty work.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=itvnetop;306164]Regardless of what you think of Key's personality, you can't deny his ability to go over the middle and take the big hits- time after time, he'd move the chains. Alot of players with similar egos never block like KJ, either. For a guy who does a lot of talking, he goes 100 percent on the field and does the dirty work.[/quote]

His stats from last year don't lie, reguardless of what he does or does not do off the field.

He can damn sure play on Sunday!

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

KJ could end up with the G-girls:
[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2007/05/02/2007-05-02_big_blue_could_grab_keyshawn.html]Big Blue could grab Keyshawn - Giants - NY Daily News[/url]

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

Question:

This season: Who would be the better receiver production wise on our team. Brandon Lloyd or KJ?

I'd have to say this season only, I'd rather have KJ. The fact is... Lloyd is young, and he's probably got much brighter future, but this season I would rather have a KJ. There both head cases, but only one of them has done anything on the field.

I don't think I'm insane to suggest that... but i'll probably be called so.

I'm not saying we go get him, because I'm having confidence in Gibbs ability in controlling Lloyd and developing him into a productive receiver.

I do not want both of them on the team either.

So in essence, leave him alone.

(forgive me if this was already discussed)

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=RobH4413;306202]Question:

This season: Who would be the better receiver production wise on our team. Brandon Lloyd or KJ?

I'd have to say this season only, I'd rather have KJ. The fact is... Lloyd is young, and he's probably got much brighter future, but this season I would rather have a KJ. There both head cases, but only one of them has done anything on the field.

I don't think I'm insane to suggest that... but i'll probably be called so.

I'm not saying we go get him, because I'm having confidence in Gibbs ability in controlling Lloyd and developing him into a productive receiver.

I do not want both of them on the team either.

So in essence, leave him alone.

(forgive me if this was already discussed)[/quote]

First of all, not sure if this was discussed or not?
IMO I would take KJ over Lloyd any day of the week. I would go one more step and say being we are, at least money wise stuck with Lloyd this season it APPEARS?
If he doesn't turn it around this year I would think he's gonna be gone anyway. There seemed to be a question early on, whether him or arch would go? I wish we would have been smarter with the contract's so we could have dumped both.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[QUOTE=TenandSix:Unacceptable;306135]Now this is from memory but I don't think Rice Carter and Reed were very tall. Sorry no commas on this keyboard.[/QUOTE]

According to profootballreference.com, Carter and Reed are both 6'3, and Rice is 6'2.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;305576]KJ still has some gas in the tank, I'm suprised.

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-panthers-keyshawnreleased&prov=ap&type=lgns"]Panthers release Keyshawn Johnson - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]


screw keyshawn always hated him and always will

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;305818]You could probably say this about 80% (or more) of the off-season threads but this one is worthless because the Skins will not bring him in and he would not sign here anyway. Mark it down.

Grim -

How do I explain his lack of production in Dallas? Well he averaged 70.5 receptions and 910 yards per year in his two seasons there. How is that unproductive? He isn't Jerry Rice, but he is a very solid 2/3 and your hatred of him is misplaced (maybe stemming from the his book or his getting 'Keyshawned' in Tampa, not sure exactly). I'll undoubtedly take some heat for this, but his career numbers actually match up quite favorably with Art Monk's so the only problem you could have with the guy is his attitude (which I don't see as a problem these days) rather than his production. But, again, he will not be a Redskin any time soon.

By the Numbers:

Keyshawn's Avg. Production Per Season through 11 Seasons:
74 Rec., 961 yds, 5.8 TDs

Art Monks Avg. Production Per Season in 15 Seasons (excluding final year in Philadephia):
62 Rec., 848 yds, 4.5 TDs

Art Monk's Avg. Production in his first 11 Seasons:
66 Rec., 903 yds, 4.72 TDs

And Keyshawn has been amazingly consistent. Not advocating his signing here, just pointing out that you cannot bash his production if you look at the numbers.[/quote]


You cannot compare those eras. Any true Redskins fan can back up my point. Next.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;306168]His stats from last year don't lie, reguardless of what he does or does not do off the field.

He can damn sure play on Sunday![/quote]

Those were mediocre stats at best.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;306188]KJ could end up with the G-girls:
[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2007/05/02/2007-05-02_big_blue_could_grab_keyshawn.html"]Big Blue could grab Keyshawn - Giants - NY Daily News[/URL][/quote]

That would be a blessing since Rogers owns that piece of trash.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;306301]You cannot compare those eras. Any true Redskins fan can back up my point. Next.[/quote]

Huh? Why can't you compare those eras?

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=GMScud;306309]Huh? Why can't you compare those eras?[/quote]

I think it's because when Monk was playing they had just invented the foreward pass or something. Apparrently they perfected it under Keyshawn.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=GMScud;306309]Huh? Why can't you compare those eras?[/quote]

Because in Monk's era running was much more prevalent. 1000 yards for a receiver actually meant something.

I guess you have been asleep for the Monk Hall of fame debates. Like I said before, "any true Redskin fan".

What is in SI next week, Peter King?

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;306313]Because in Monk's era running was much more prevalent. 1000 yards for a receiver actually meant something.

I guess you have been asleep for the Monk Hall of fame debates.

What is in SI next week, Peter King?[/quote]

woah woah woah. Easy. I LOVE Art Monk. I went to his football camp 3 summers in a row when I was in elementary school. I'm outraged year in and year out when he isn't voted into the HOF. I wasn't saying anything bad about him. I just wanted you to clarify, that's all. Monk played several years in the Posse as well, so he lost receptions to Clark and Sanders too...

That Peter King comparison hurt Grim.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=GMScud;306316]woah woah woah. Easy. I LOVE Art Monk. I went to his football camp 3 summers in a row when I was in elementary school. I'm outraged year in and year out when he isn't voted into the HOF. I wasn't saying anything bad about him. I just wanted you to clarify, that's all. Monk played several years in the Posse as well, so he lost receptions to Clark and Sanders too...

That Peter King comparison hurt Grim.[/quote]


I apologize. I AM PISSED. I want to see Landry and Taylor kill somebody.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;306319]I apologize. I AM PISSED. I want to see Landry and Taylor kill somebody.[/quote]

Why are you so pissed? Cuz of the ongoing argument with Angry? You wanna see Taylor kill some shit? Here ya go my friend:

[U][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4IwILlqwi4]YouTube - Sean Taylor Highlight Tape[/url][/U]

Enjoy! The Taylor vs. TO part is classic.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=GMScud;306325]Why are you so pissed? Cuz of the ongoing argument with Angry? You wanna see Taylor kill some shit? Here ya go my friend:

[U][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4IwILlqwi4"]YouTube - Sean Taylor Highlight Tape[/URL][/U]

Enjoy! The Taylor vs. TO part is classic.[/quote]

I seem to have that effect on people.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=angryssg;306331]I seem to have that effect on people.[/quote]

Slow down. You are comical to me.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;306332]Slow down. You are comical to me.[/quote]

That is what I always go for, but not always what I accomplish.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;306304]Those were mediocre stats at best.[/quote]

So what do you call Lloyd's stats for last year? THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE?

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;306410]So what do you call Lloyd's stats for last year? THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE?[/quote]

Are we talking about Lloyd or Keyshawn? I will give Lloyd a full year with a QB who can actually throw downfield before I give up on him. Randle-El didn't exactly tear it up either.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/07/keyshawn/index.html]SI.com - NFL - Raiders, Titans out in front of Keyshawn derby - Monday May 7, 2007 7:25PM[/url]

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;308177][URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/07/keyshawn/index.html"]SI.com - NFL - Raiders, Titans out in front of Keyshawn derby - Monday May 7, 2007 7:25PM[/URL][/quote]

If he was smart he would call it quits, and just call games or something.

Re: Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.
 

I'm sure he's looking to get one more check.