Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=Mattyk72;316922]I guess we're watching a different player. Based on his first 2 seasons in the league his performance leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me.[/quote]


I was watching the same player you were Matty and I dont see what they are talking about

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=Mattyk72;316922]I guess we're watching a different player. Based on his first 2 seasons in the league his performance leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me.[/quote]

I guess you expected a rookie pro bowler in year 1 and last year our defense couldn't stop a college team on third down or in the fourth quarter.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=JDALY27;316931]I guess you expected a rookie pro bowler in year 1 and last year our defense couldn't stop a college team on third down or in the fourth quarter.[/quote]


No but I expected him to be in the same category as Adam Jones as far as production on the field and he is no where close to it. I expected him to be thew physical, powerful, thorpe award winner that he was in college. BUT I have yet to see any of it. He has timed a 4.37 doesn't play like it. Gives up way too much cushion, his recovery speed is way off and he doesn't jam recievers at the line. (Which by the way is his number 1 asset: His strength.)

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=Mattyk72;316922]I guess we're watching a different player. Based on his first 2 seasons in the league his performance leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me.[/quote]

Honestly, I think it was just last season that disturbed me. In his rookie season he really was playing at a high level.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;316936]Honestly, I think it was just last season that disturbed me. In his rookie season he really was playing at a high level.[/quote]


I guess that is true in 2005 he was playing very well. (minus the seattle playoff game)

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=JDALY27;316931]I guess you expected a rookie pro bowler in year 1 and last year our defense couldn't stop a college team on third down or in the fourth quarter.[/quote]

No, just looking for a guy who can make plays and catch INTs that hit him in the hands for starters.

Second, he hasn't shown that he was worth the 9th overall selection. For that high of a pick, you need a little more than what he's shown so far. Frankly he's been a bit of a disappointment. His ball awareness seems to be very lacking and that's what concerns me the most. How many times have we seen a WR catch a ball on him with his head turned? Far too many times if you ask me.

I haven't given up hope, but I just don't see this logic of all of a sudden he's going to take off and become a shutdown corner overnight, based on what we've seen from him so far.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;316936]Honestly, I think it was just last season that disturbed me. In his rookie season he really was playing at a high level.[/quote]


HA!! Dream on!

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

#1 material, Rogers??? .. Did you people watch the Redskins play last year? Good grief... <shaking my head>

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;316934]No but I expected him to be in the same category as Adam Jones as far as production on the field and he is no where close to it. I expected him to be thew physical, powerful, thorpe award winner that he was in college. BUT I have yet to see any of it. He has timed a 4.37 doesn't play like it. Gives up way too much cushion, his recovery speed is way off and he doesn't jam recievers at the line. (Which by the way is his number 1 asset: His strength.)[/QUOTE]

I do think you are correct as far as how he used, it is up to the coaches to put him up on the line with the reciever, he should be a great bump and run type CB but for what ever reason Williams doesn't use him that way unfortunatly. I do think he has plenty of recovery speed but the problem is when he sits back his instinkts, or his ability to react leaves him to far behind, he should be in the face of every WR that comes to his side, he is very strong for a CB that should be utilized. As far as his hands are concerned he might have the worst hands I ever saw on a DB?

Put him up on the line and I think we would see an entirely different CB, a #1type CB.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;307586]i know i have been saying it i am drooling at the mouth[/QUOTE] yea yea quake wipe your mouth with this napkin try to keep control of yourself till the season starts...i like the possibilities also...keep up the cool posts.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

His awarness also seems to get him in trouble as well. It is all about read and react. Of all of his assets this is his weakest point of play. This is what gets him beat deep most of the time. He is not aware of what is going on around him. Example: Wild Card 2005 against the Bucs. Redskins 17 Bucs 10. Bucs have the ball 3rd and ten from the Redskins 32 yard line. Ok take a look at Edell Shepard (WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!) going up against Carlos Rogers. Now rewind back to the Bucs/Skins game earlier when Edell Shepard beat Walt Harris for a 31 yard TD to set up the biggest BS call of the season. Back to the playoff game, Shepard runs the exact same route he ran earlier in the season. (for those who cant remember basically the same route Santana Moss ran to beat Dallas for the second TD on Monday night). Ok Carlos gives a 10 yard cushion and then doesnt take off with Shepard until he is 2-3 yards past him. Chris Simms throws a perfect pass and if it wasnt for Shepard dropping that pass maybe we dont get to play Seattle the following week. (Where he had a chance to sink the Hawks early with Alexander on the bench he drops a INT that would have easily go into the End Zone for a 10-0 lead en route to a route.)

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;316990]His awarness also seems to get him in trouble as well. It is all about read and react. Of all of his assets this is his weakest point of play. This is what gets him beat deep most of the time. He is not aware of what is going on around him. Example: Wild Card 2005 against the Bucs. Redskins 17 Bucs 10. Bucs have the ball 3rd and ten from the Redskins 32 yard line. Ok take a look at Edell Shepard (WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!) going up against Carlos Rogers. Now rewind back to the Bucs/Skins game earlier when Edell Shepard beat Walt Harris for a 31 yard TD to set up the biggest BS call of the season. Back to the playoff game, Shepard runs the exact same route he ran earlier in the season. (for those who cant remember basically the same route Santana Moss ran to beat Dallas for the second TD on Monday night). Ok Carlos gives a 10 yard cushion and then doesnt take off with Shepard until he is 2-3 yards past him. Chris Simms throws a perfect pass and if it wasnt for Shepard dropping that pass maybe we dont get to play Seattle the following week. (Where he had a chance to sink the Hawks early with Alexander on the bench he drops a INT that would have easily go into the End Zone for a 10-0 lead en route to a route.)[/quote]

I agree with you 100% and just wanted to add to your point...The entire premise of playing off a WR and giving them a cushion is to keep the play in front of you and to make sure you never get beat deep. Rodgers was providing that cushion, which allows the underneath stuff to open up, yet still getting beat deep on several occasions.

I suspect some of the problem was coaching and poor LB zone coverage underneath, but no one starting at DB in the NFL should be getting deep on you when you have a 5-10yard head start. Some of the game film I saw showed Rodgers waiting for the WR to get into his break before even turning his hips and accelerating toward the player. By that time the WR was at full speed and no matter how fast you are, you aren't going to catch up. Bad fundamentals overall and not what I would expect from a 9th overall pick.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

I think it's a good decision. I especially like reason #2. This could be a lot of fun to watch:

[QUOTE]2. LaRon is a better blitzer and faster so he will get there quicker[/QUOTE]

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

Hold on guys, Laron needs to earn his starting spot first.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=4mrusmc;318119]Hold on guys, Laron needs to earn his starting spot first.[/quote]



He is going to get it.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;318208]He is going to get it.[/quote]

I would be so sure about that. there are some savy veterans that he has to beat out first. I am not saying that they are more talented, but they have some experience on the young buck.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=angryssg;318212]I would be so sure about that. there are some savy veterans that he has to beat out first. I am not saying that they are more talented, but they have some experience on the young buck.[/quote]


Yes. But I really see him being there in week one.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;318217]Yes. But I really see him being there in week one.[/quote]
No, I give it at least 3 weeks into the regular season before he gets a start, and even then he wont be on the field every play.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=angryssg;318221]No, I give it at least 3 weeks into the regular season before he gets a start, and even then he wont be on the field every play.[/quote]


Hopefully it will be week 1

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

I'd be surprised if Landry doesn't start the season as the starter. Yes, GW has a history of bringing his rookies along slowly, but Landry was a 4-year starter at LSU and is about NFL ready as you could want a rookie to be according to most scouting reports.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=Mattyk72;318317]I'd be surprised if Landry doesn't start the season as the starter. Yes, GW has a history of bringing his rookies along slowly, but Landry was a 4-year starter at LSU and is about NFL ready as you could want a rookie to be according to most scouting reports.[/quote]


i agree with you 100% Matty. Just to add on GW already said that he wants to see Landry in there in week one, because the faster he and Sean mesh together the better.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

Just guessing here about Rogers (and the scenario) but here goes:
Last year Williams was really worried about all the long plays. One of the changes he made was to move Rogers off the line. Because of Rogers' speed, he had NEVER played (10 miles) off the line before. So he was never comfortable out there. He had to switch from being an aggressive corner to a "passive" corner: don't let anyone get past you. I can easily see this getting you off your rhythm since the receiver is now dictating to you instead of you attacking the receiver.

He did a really nice job two years ago, and I still remember him jumping high to get an INT (not dropping it.)

Since he looked good two years ago, I think his play (as well as most of the defense) last year was a casualty of covering for the absence of Springs as well as Williams' modification of the defense for fear of being beaten by the "big play".

I would not be at all surprised to see him pick up from where he was at the end of '05.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

First and foremost. G-dub has forgotten more about defense than the collective Warpath community knows.

Second, for those who think that Taylor has no coverage skills, look at his entire career at Miami (including a senior year with 10 ints) and his first two years here. I know it is tough for many to judge a body of work instead of last year, when he was the basically the only healthy guy who could tackle, but the facts are the facts.

Taylor would be a monster in center field. The wideouts will be more worried about him than catching the ball and he will be running ints back all season long.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

LL peanut's have a boo-boo right now, can't run to good.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;318825]LL peanut's have a boo-boo right now, can't run to good.[/quote]


or walk for that matter.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

does anyone think the skins would have drafted dline, if they knew what their safety situation would be like right now? bringing back a proven starter in Stoutmire gives them more flexibilty. and no, I'm not saying he is a better safety then Landry.

Re: Sean Taylor at Free Safety and LaRon Landry at Strong Safety
 

[quote=dmek25;318853]does anyone think the skins would have drafted dline, if they knew what their safety situation would be like right now? bringing back a proven starter in Stoutmire gives them more flexibilty. and no, I'm not saying he is a better safety then Landry.[/quote]




Probably not, because Joe Gibbs stated that they wanted to draft the best available player regardless of position and they had LAron Landry rated as their number one player then Gaines Adams (who was gone) then Jamaal Anderson, then Amobi Okoye so I dont think it would have mattered either way. I think LL would be a Redskin.