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With all due political correctness, how many women are on this site?

Now, I don't know if I'm trying to prove a point or not, but the fact that Sally is a woman does have something to do with this discussion. So while I do agree that taking into the realm of blatant sexism is not necessarily cool, I don't think we can ignore the fact that the majority of football fans, and ALL pro football players and coaches are men. I don't think that means that women can't bring a lot to the table as far as analyzing football goes. Look no further than the gentlemen who frequent this site, we can almost all admit to not being pro scouts, players, or coaches, but that doesn't mean we don't have a valid opinion about the state of the Redskins.

Also, in her rebuttal email, I thought it was interesting that she did not address the Chris Carter issue. Clearly, she didn't do to much solid reporting on this column. But that's oftentimes what columnists do, they just write their opinions on a subject without having to use more evidence than what they've seen from their colorful, yet limited, perspective. Almost everyone has been on the Bash The Skins Bandwagon the last couple of years. It's easy to single someone out when they are different than almost everyone else in their profession and they get terrible results. Just take a look at Sally Jenkins.

Re: Here comes Sally
 

Actually close to 50% of NFL fans are women (I think it's like 46%) according to Neilsen and the NFL.

I'd post a link if I could find one. I just remember discussing it at work a few months ago

Re: Here comes Sally
 

[quote=SmootSmack;310428]Actually close to 50% of NFL fans are women (I think it's like 46%) according to Neilsen and the NFL.

I'd post a link if I could find one. I just remember discussing it at work a few months ago[/quote]
I would question that stat. What do they consider a fan? Somebody who watches a couple of games a year? People who don't keep up with the team except for when they are winning? I dont consider those people fans. A fan is somebody who keeps up with their team all year long and watches/attends all the games whenever possible. I would bet its more like 75% men and 25% women.

My mom watches the highlights on ESPN but doesn't wacth the actual games. Would you consider her a fan?

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MOST women I know couldn't tell you five players names in the whole league. They would say; " Yeah, I like the Redskins because of their colors". Or some BS like that.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;310479]MOST women I know couldn't tell you five players names in the whole league. They would say; " Yeah, I like the Redskins because of their colors". Or some BS like that.[/quote]

That's another sad generalization.

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I am not some kumbaya touchy feely moron whose enlightened view of the world is so advanced as to hold no bias or prejudices but I am pretty saddened that so many people are able to generalize so blatantly. And with such conviction too. Really pathetic guys.

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[quote=FRPLG;310499]I am not some kumbaya touchy feely moron whose enlightened view of the world is so advanced as to hold no bias or prejudices but I am pretty saddened that so many people are able to generalize so blatantly. And with such conviction too. Really pathetic guys.[/quote]


I'm a little a suprised myself.

When I lived in Columbia, Md., I would routinely go to the sports bar to watch football games. And I can tell you that most of the chicks there knew their football. Especially this one chick from Philly...boy she was annoying, but she was hot!

Re: Here comes Sally
 

[quote=dmek25;310418]lets make a new man law. the next time Sally, or Pete king, or Postabelly rips the skins, no 6+ page threads. agreed?[/quote]


agreed!!!

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[quote=FRPLG;310499]I am not some kumbaya touchy feely moron whose enlightened view of the world is so advanced as to hold no bias or prejudices but I am pretty saddened that so many people are able to generalize so blatantly. And with such conviction too. Really pathetic guys.[/quote]

well put man

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[quote=12thMan;310510]I'm a little a suprised myself.

When I lived in Columbia, Md., I would routinely go to the sports bar to watch football games. And I can tell you that most of the chicks there knew their football. Especially this one chick from Philly...boy she was annoying, but she was hot![/quote]


cheating on hess for shame 12th for shame[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif[/IMG]

Re: Here comes Sally
 

[quote=SmootSmack;310428]Actually close to 50% of NFL fans are women (I think it's like 46%) according to Neilsen and the NFL.

I'd post a link if I could find one. I just remember discussing it at work a few months ago[/quote]


Not a chance that is true......

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[url=http://football.about.com/b/a/142393.htm]NFL Eyes Female fans[/url]

[url=http://www.aboutwomen.ca/Articles/nflfans.htm]About Women Article - NFL Fans are Women[/url]

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[url=http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Quirks/2006/09/03/female_nfl_fan_base_grows/7960/]United Press International - NewsTrack - Quirks - Female NFL fan base grows[/url]

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0702030099feb03,1,6887849.story?coll=chi-news-hed]Chicago Tribune news | Registration[/url]

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[quote=JDALY27;310553]Not a chance that is true......[/quote]

[COLOR=black]Dude, you really need to drop the idea that women know nothing about football, nor do that enjoy watching it. It's the biggest most popular sport in the US... [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black] [/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]One word - ignorance.[/COLOR]

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Read the links I posted above, it's pretty obvious that women make up a significant portion of the NFL fan base. The NFL has also turned up their marketing efforts towards women which is indicative of a lucrative, previously untapped market.

Wake up guys, this isn't the stone age. Women are big sports fans, and they are definitely big NFL fans.

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[quote=hesscl34;310556][COLOR=black]Dude, you really need to drop the idea that women know nothing about football, nor do that enjoy watching it. It's the biggest most popular sport in the US... [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]One word - ignorance.[/COLOR][/quote]

Another word... stupidity

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[quote=Mattyk72;310554][URL="http://football.about.com/b/a/142393.htm"]NFL Eyes Female fans[/URL]

[URL="http://www.aboutwomen.ca/Articles/nflfans.htm"]About Women Article - NFL Fans are Women[/URL][/quote]


Strange. Aboutwomen.com says that women make up 40% of NFL fans currently. I bet they also say that god is a female.

Then the NFL comes out with a new marketing strategy to try and attract more women to the game.

Look out boys!! THE NFL WANTS AN ALL WOMEN FAN BASE....LOL!!

More b.s. politically correct filler articles that have no backbone in my view.

I'm all in favor of the NFL and whoever wants to be a fan is fine with me. Unfortunately I'm a realist.

Re: Here comes Sally
 

[quote=Mattyk72;310561]Another word... stupidity[/quote]


Ignorant and Stupid. Nice!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;310559]Read the links I posted above, it's pretty obvious that women make up a significant portion of the NFL fan base. The NFL has also turned up their marketing efforts towards women which is indicative of a lucrative, previously untapped market.

Wake up guys, this isn't the stone age. Women are big sports fans, and they are definitely big NFL fans.[/QUOTE]

Whatever, you still haven't named one single woman starting at quarterback in the NFL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;310561]Another word... stupidity[/quote]

and one more word craziness

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[quote=JDALY27;310562]Strange. Aboutwomen.com says that women make up 40% of NFL fans currently. I bet they also say that god is a female.

Then the NFL comes out with a new marketing strategy to try and attract more women to the game.

Look out boys!! THE NFL WANTS AN ALL WOMEN FAN BASE....LOL!!

More b.s. politically correct filler articles that have no backbone in my view.

I'm all in favor of the NFL and whoever wants to be a fan is fine with me. Unfortunately I'm a realist.[/quote]

I haven't seen you post any sources to the contrary, so until you can back up your misguided, machismo views I'll just brush off your ignorance and hope that someday you can see just how wrong you are.

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[quote=JDALY27;310565]Ignorant and Stupid. Nice![/quote]

Sorry but the shoe seems to fit. Welcome to the 21st century!

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[quote=djnemo65;310567]Whatever, you still haven't named one single woman starting at quarterback in the NFL.[/quote]
I don't understand how that comment fits into the discussion at hand. We are not talking about women playing or coaching in the NFL. We are talking about the ability of women to appreciate, understand and analyze the game of football just as men do. Try to keep up.

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[quote=Lady Brave;310576]I don't understand how that comment fits into the discussion at hand. We are not talking about women playing or coaching in the NFL. We are talking about the ability of women to appreciate, understand and analyze the game of football just as men do. Try to keep up.[/quote]

He was kidding I'm sure

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;310576]I don't understand how that comment fits into the discussion at hand. We are not talking about women playing or coaching in the NFL. We are talking about the ability of women to appreciate, understand and analyze the game of football just as men do. Try to keep up.[/QUOTE]

Sarcasm my friend. That was Jdaly's argument originally. I was mocking it. Try to keep up.

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[quote=Lady Brave;310576]I don't understand how that comment fits into the discussion at hand. We are not talking about women playing or coaching in the NFL. We are talking about the ability of women to appreciate, understand and analyze the game of football just as men do. Try to keep up.[/quote]


The ability is there. That's not in question. This is kind of dragging out but its about who play, coach, own, and run the league. I just don't see many women who are truely interested at a high level. What is so bad about thinking that?

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[quote=djnemo65;310578]Sarcasm my friend. That was Jdaly's argument originally. I was mocking it. Try to keep up.[/quote]
My apologies. There's so much ignorance floating around in this discussion it's hard not to react.

I've started to write several long winded replies, but I keep stopping myself. No matter how hard we try, some men will never accept women as legitimate football fans. Football will always be a male dominated sport, which is why I love it so much. Women aren't a threat, so I don't see why some men get so bent out of shape over it.

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[quote=JDALY27;310581]The ability is there. That's not in question. This is kind of dragging out but its about who play, coach, own, and run the league. I just don't see many women who are truely interested at a high level. What is so bad about thinking that?[/quote]


correct me if i am wrong but isnt the owner of the rams a woman

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[quote=Lady Brave;310583]My apologies. There's so much ignorance floating around in this discussion it's hard not to react.

I've started to write several long winded replies, but I keep stopping myself. No matter how hard we try, some men will never accept women as legitimate football fans. Football will always be a male dominated sport, which is why I love it so much. Women aren't a threat, so I don't see why some men get so bent out of shape over it.[/quote]

I blame Hilary Clinton!

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;310583]My apologies. There's so much ignorance floating around in this discussion it's hard not to react.

I've started to write several long winded replies, but I keep stopping myself. No matter how hard we try, some men will never accept women as legitimate football fans. Football will always be a male dominated sport, which is why I love it so much. Women aren't a threat, so I don't see why some men get so bent out of shape over it.[/QUOTE]

No problem, I hear you. This thread is getting pretty bad. Anyone who questions women's football fandom obviously didn't go to a football school like me, where random girls will talk your ear off in line at the bank about like the third string slot receiver.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;310567]Whatever, you still haven't named one single woman starting at quarterback in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Edit: I am dumb.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;310587]correct me if i am wrong but isnt the owner of the rams a woman[/quote]


Yes, sir. Georgia Frontier has been owner for as long as I can remember.

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I would love for several members on here to square off against my wife regarding knowledge of football, college especially but she can hang with NFL discussions with little difficulty.

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[quote=djnemo65;310591]No problem, I hear you. This thread is getting pretty bad. Anyone who questions women's football fandom obviously didn't go to a football school like me, where random girls will talk your ear off in line at the bank about like the third string slot receiver.[/quote]
I don't think the thread is getting bad. I think it's a great discussion and I will be the first to admit my own shortcomings in understanding the finer points of the game. That's one reason I joined a message board in the first place. I enjoy learning from you guys. I would think most guys would love it if their wives/girlfriends developed a love for the game. It might spare them the usual bitching they have to endure on game days.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;310598]I would love for several members on here to square off against my wife regarding knowledge of football, college especially but she can hang with NFL discussions with little difficulty.[/quote]


another reason to say women know just as much about football as men

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;310600]I don't think the thread is getting bad. I think it's a great discussion and I will be the first to admit my own shortcomings in understanding the finer points of the game. That's one reason I joined a message board in the first place. I enjoy learning from you guys. [B]I would think most guys would love it if their wives/girlfriends developed a love for the game. It might spare them the usual bitching they have to endure on game days.[/B][/QUOTE]

Um, yeah.

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[quote=Lady Brave;310600]I don't think the thread is getting bad. I think it's a great discussion and I will be the first to admit my own shortcomings in understanding the finer points of the game. That's one reason I joined a message board in the first place. I enjoy learning from you guys. I would think most guys would love it if their wives/girlfriends developed a love for the game. It might spare them the usual bitching they have to endure on game days.[/quote]


pretty much

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[quote=JDALY27;310588]I blame Hilary Clinton![/quote]
why not. everyone knows the Clinton's are the root of all evil.( yes, I'm being sarcastic)

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;310598]I would love for several members on here to square off against my wife regarding knowledge of football, college especially but she can hang with NFL discussions with little difficulty.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, I had almost posted a response to the same effect. My wife came late to the game but, now, screams hysterically at every good or bad play made. She may not be the most knowledgable fan, but she certainly is a fanatical fan.

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[QUOTE=Lady Brave;310600] I would think most guys would love it if their wives/girlfriends developed a love for the game. It might spare them the usual bitching they have to endure on game days.[/QUOTE]

My wife HATED sports and football when we got married. She knew, however, I was superstitious Skins fanatic and took the time to get to know the game and the Skins. It's great.