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[quote=Southpaw;311691]Whether you want to believe it or not, the majority of people that grow up in areas where racism is an accepted norm are generally racist themselves or have a much higher tolerance for it than most people. And poor or unethical treatment of human beings is not even close to the same thing as poor treatment of pit bulls, no matter how much some of you try to relate the two.

The Michael Irvin issue is a completely different ballpark. The only people effected by his cocaine use is himself and his family. Why would I, or anyone else have anything to say about it?[/quote]

Ok, so for the record, you would be in favor of any potential role model like Portis (or any other Redskin for that matter) supporting the actions of anyone committing any felony they want as long as it doesn't effect you directly if they happened to witness the commission of that felony in their neighborhood growing up. Got it.


Any yet somehow people are surprised that crime rates grow generation after generation.......I can't imagine why.

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Hey, I heard Cooley's organizing a Baby Harp seal club fest! Who's game?

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[quote=Hog1;311722]Hey, I heard Cooley's organizing a Baby Harp seal club fest! Who's game?[/quote]

Can we make the seals fight each other to the death first and then just club the winner?

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Word of advice.....Baby Harp Seal looks sideways at you..........SHANK him

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Portis is like nationwide with this thing. Dan Patrick, and K.O. are hammerin' it on ESPN.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;311720]Ok, so for the record, you would be in favor of any potential role model like Portis (or any other Redskin for that matter) supporting the actions of anyone committing any felony they want as long as it doesn't effect you directly if they happened to witness the commission of that felony in their neighborhood growing up. Got it.


Any yet somehow people are surprised that crime rates grow generation after generation.......I can't imagine why.[/quote]

I don't care what Portis says. I'm pretty sure he's allowed to say whatever he wants in the United States of America where the Bill of Rights allows him that freedom. Does that mean that if a future "role model" makes a similar comment my future children will start promoting dog fights? If it does, that would be more a reflection on me as a parent than the person that said it. I try not to blame my problems on what a celebrity says, or what's on TV, or any of the random garbage that the media tries to pass off as "news.

And you're correct. My attitude is the reason crime rates go up. That's a logical statement...

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[quote=Southpaw;311733]I don't care what Portis says. I'm pretty sure he's allowed to say whatever he wants in the United States of America where the Bill of Rights allows him that freedom. Does that mean that if a future "role model" makes a similar comment my future children will start promoting dog fights? If it does, that would be more a reflection on me as a parent than the person that said it. I try to blame my problems on what a celebrity says, or what's on TV, or any of the random garbage that the media tries to pass off as "news.

And you're correct. My attitude is the reason crime rates go up. That's a logical statement...[/quote]

You're absolutely right, he can say whatever he wants. And the First Amendment allows us to talk about how incredibly stupid it is for him to make the statements that he made.

My problem is specifically with the "mind your own business" attitude. The precise reason society doesn't "mind its own business" when it comes to the commission of crimes is that doing so results in anarchy. To defend Vick by saying there is nothing wrong with what he's doing if he's on his own property committing felonies is absurd. To justify the behavior as somehow ok because you don't agree with the law and because the boys in your hood growing up all used to do it is even more ridiculous. That logic would have us letting criminals off the hook or "justifying" their behavior soley based on their life experiences. Not only would that be a completely inequitable result (presumably, I'd somehow be more culpable than Vick because I didn't grow up in a slum that had a bunch of degenerates promoting dog fighting), but it is also the very attitude that perpetuates continued commission of the same crimes from one generation to the next. If you can't see that connection, then I'm at a loss. I really don't know how to make it any clearer to you.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;311736]Not only would that be a completely inequitable result (presumably, I'd somehow be more culpable than Vick because I didn't grow up in a slum that had a bunch of degenerates promoting dog fighting), but it is also the very attitude that perpetuates continued commission of the same crimes from one generation to the next. If you can't see that connection, then I'm at a loss. I really don't know how to make it any clearer to you.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying and I actually agree in principle, and I don't agree with or condone what Portis said and what Vick may have done. My point was that I also understood why Portis made the comments, and that part of the story should be a non-issue anyway.

I disagree though, with the idea that Portis' attitude perpetuates the continued commission of that particular crime, and I highly doubt that anyone is going to pickup dog fighting as a hobby because of what Portis said. Dog fighting, cock fighting, etc., has been part of rural southern culture for a very long time, and it's not going to stop because a few people are mad that Vick is involved in it. Something drastic will have to happen within the southern culture itself, to change things.

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Ficticious news story:

PORTIS COMMENTS ON WHALING AND OTHER CULINARY MATTERS
Associated News

By Stanley Winston
Hampton Roads, VA
May 21, 2007

Clinton Portis today commented that he had eaten whale meat while on a recent trip to Tokyo, and enjoyed it immensely.

Many fans of the Washington Redskins were immediate in their condemnation.

"Who the hell is Clinton Portis to say he enjoys eating whale meat?" said Al Pischotti, longtime Skins fan. "Doesn't he know that that whale meat comes from a whale that might another whale's parent? How can he be so insensitive to say he enjoys eating someone's parent and creating orphans in the process?"

Redskins fan Al Iddle concurred: "Portis likes making orphans?" He shook his head in apoplectic anger. "I'm just glad we signed Ladell Betts to a contract," he shouted.

Later, Portis was asked what he thought of a buffalo burger he ate at Ted's Montana Grill, owned by CNN founder and sports mogul Ted Turner. "I thought the buffalo burger was juicy and quite tasty actually. I give Ted's Montana Grill four stars."

Many Redskin fans were beside themselves with fury. "How can Clinton Portis say he likes buffalo burgers?" Janice Bulbright vociferated. "Doesn't he know that buffaloes are slaughtered so that he can have his juicy little plate at Ted's Montana Grill?"

While on his recent Asian trip, Portis took the opportunity to visit Peking, where he was surprised by the numerous Redskins fans who greeted him in the streets. When he accepted their offer of fried dog at a local bistro, Danwei Dachshund, they were thrilled to say the least.

"Clinton Portis is the best running back in the NFL, " Redskin fan Gao Zexu opined. "He very graciously ate dinner with us, and shared stories of his team's games and his wonderful plays. We were all very honored to welcome and host Clinton Portis, and share some delicious dachshund with him."

Clinton gave the Danwei Dachshund restaurant "four stars."

On the home front though, dozens of Redskin fans were picketing the entrance to Redskins Park, beside themselves with anger and resentment about Portis' controversial travels and culinary interests.

Many Redskins players and coaches were puzzled. Clinton Portis was asked for his reaction. "If people are going to get upset like this, that's cool. They are definitely energetic." He smiled and added, "I was hoping they'd save that energy for the Dallas game, but they know what rings their bell."

A Redskins trainer passed by the chanting crowd, quietly shaking his head as he gazed at the scene. A reporter asked him for his reaction. Turning to the front door he waved and said, "I don't have a dog in that fight."

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[quote=Southpaw;311678]If the issue is as cut and dry as a criminal act, then I'd estimate about 90% of Warpath members are "horrible people". I know it's impossible for some people to see the grey area with this issue, but if you come from a community where this type of activity is prevalent, you'll probably be more accepting of it than a kid from the northern suberbs.

And it's not like they're making labs and poodles fight to the death. Pit bulls have been bred to fight and kill animals for hundreds of years. I have a friend that owns a non fighting Pit that seems nice, just like any other dog, but if you look at it the wrong way or stutter step when you walk by it, it turns into a friggin monster. What's the purpose of owning a "pet" like that?[/quote]

I'm not saying dog-fighting is wrong just because it is a criminal act. Quite honestly I couldn't care less if Vick smokes a pound of weed a week or breaks other "victimless laws" as long as he isn't hurting other people or putting others at risk. I'm saying dogfighting is wrong because for simple amusement or a gambling fix the idiots who are involved in this need, these sadists force defenseless animals to chew each other to death over the course of 15 to 30 minutes. To be involved in this in any way is sickening to me. I don't care what some may say the socialized "norm" is, IT'S WRONG no matter where you grew up.

Wolves and other wild dogs fight over territory or mating, however in the wild the dogs' instinct for survival (fight or flight) will usually make these fights non-lethal. The morons running the dog-fights need to train and force the survival instinct out of the dogs so they will fight to death. I cannot see any way this behavior can be justified. Dogfighting is a felony because most people (over 90% I would bet) find it repulsive.

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portis is great on the field, but we all know he isnt the brightest crayon in the box.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;311713]These dogs aren't putting on tiny boxing gloves aqnd sparring for a few rounds, they're forcing them to kill one another.
That's the same as driving 5 miles over the speed limit to you?[/quote]


I by no means support dressing up dogs. If thats the way I came off i am sorry. I think dressing up dogs is cruel (i let the bandanas groomers put on your dog after they get a haircut slide, as my dog Freckles never seemed to mind).

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hey did anyone see portis' new tattoo on his forehead?....it says insert foot here with an arrow pointing to his mouth.

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Some things should remain as thoughts.

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Im a huge VT fan, and Ive always defended Vick in the past, but if these accusations are true, then Im done with him. Portis was an idiot to stick his nose in here, there is no justifying his comments. Check out this site:

[url=http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm]Official Pit Bull Site of Diane Jessup[/url]

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[quote= Dogfighting is a felony because most people (over 90% I would bet) find it repulsive.[/quote]

I totally agree with your statement and I also find dog-fighting repulsive, but that alone is not why it is illegal and a felony. Google "[B][I]pit bull mauls child[/I][/B]" and in and amongst the [U][B][COLOR=red]17,100 hits[/COLOR][/B][/U] you will find out why this activity is illegal and why so many communities are moving to ban pits/rotties/dobermans etc.

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Portis is my favorite player but this is the stupidest thing ive heard him say. I dont know how he could actually believe what he was saying. I mean he said Vick is a positive role model... No!

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What's that saying? "Better to keep quiet and be thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt"

This is probably one of those times when nothing needed to be said

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now the video is on the front page of espn,way to go Portis,Gibbs has got to be loving this

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[quote=htownskinfan;311801]now the video is on the front page of espn,way to go Portis,Gibbs has got to be loving this[/quote]


dumbass comment portis

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;311643]Nothing that Portis said here was funny......nothing.[/quote]

That is why I had a slash and stupid attached. I think he was trying to be funny and because there is zero real news out there, this became a story.

Unless Clinton is fighting dogs himself, this is a non-story.

If anyone is actually offended by this, grow a pair. Athletes are entertainers. If you actually look to most athletes to be some type of role model, sorry, but you are an idiot.

That is the truth and, sometimes, the truth hurts.

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Are we still on this??????? He said something stupid out of loyalty for a fellow player. Maybe he doesn't care much for animals, but in the big picture does this really matter. I just think this is a HUGE waste of time!

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The more I watch it the more I think Samuels looks like the clown for that stupid laughing he does.

Either way, a "no comment" would have sufficed

On a happier note Shawn Springs returns June 5th

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[quote=SmootSmack;311807]The more I watch it the more I think Samuels looks like the clown for that stupid laughing he does.

Either way, a "no comment" would have sufficed

On a happier note Shawn Springs returns June 5th[/quote]

Nice segway Smoot. Our best cornerback and one of our top 2 players on D reporting for duty, now that is a real story.

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[quote=SmootSmack;311807]The more I watch it the more I think Samuels looks like the clown for that stupid laughing he does.

Either way, a "no comment" would have sufficed

On a happier note Shawn Springs returns June 5th[/quote]


why on june 5th why not now

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I don't want to hijack this thread (nonsensical as it may be) any further than I have already

Therefore, direct all future questions regarding Springs' return to this thread linked below:


[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/18336-washington-post-shawn-springs-back-june.html#post311816[/url]

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I could personally care less about what Clinton said about Vick and the legal issues. As long as Clinton isn't breaking laws, I don't care. As long as he's not in danger of getting suspended, I really don't give a damn about what his opinion is of dog fighting. I love dogs, however, I don't care about dog fighting. I think it's brutal, but I don't (oddly) have that much of a problem with it. It may be because I have had much larger problems than Michael Vick alledgedly fighting dogs to worry about.

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I'm pretty disappointed in Portis for his comments here, mainly because it hits on a personal note because I'm such a dog lover. But in the end, he's not in trouble with the law and consequently will have no impact on the 'Skins in 2007.

I think it's OK that kids, or anyone, look to athletes as role models. But it's important that you teach your kids that when an athlete says something like this, that your child should stop and think about it, and form their own opinion. Have the conversation, so Johnny, do you think dogfighting is OK? Do you think it's OK to see doggies get hurt? Does it make it OK just because Clinton Portis said it's OK? Can you still enjoy watching Clinton Portis play football without agreeing with him about hurting dogs?

And that's the thing. Kids just need to be able to separate what athletes say from what they do. You can teach your kids that.

[IMG]http://myworshiprevolution.typepad.com/bobbym/images/themoreyouknow705722.jpg[/IMG]

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[URL="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=26335"]Clinton Portis Statement[/URL]

The following is a statement from Redskins running back Clinton Portis regarding recent comments he made to a Norfolk, Va., television station.

"In the recent interview I gave concerning dogfighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dogfighting or condone dogfighting in any manner."


Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it?

Edit: Pssst...CP. Technically you did condone it.

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[quote=Lady Brave;311821][URL="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=26335"]Clinton Portis Statement[/URL]

The following is a statement from Redskins running back Clinton Portis regarding recent comments he made to a Norfolk, Va., television station.

"In the recent interview I gave concerning dogfighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dogfighting or condone dogfighting in any manner."


Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it?[/quote]


yeah like when you take a shot of hennessy

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I disagree with a lot of you on this. For me the problem isn't that Portis articulated his thoughts, but rather, that he had them in the first place. Dog fighting is subhuman and I question the humanity of anyone who doesn't condemn it outright. It's very disappointing because Portis was one of my favorite Redskins of all time and now he's basically just a guy in a uniform.

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enough with portis and vick and the dog fighting can we get off this now please

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;311935]enough with portis and vick and the dog fighting can we get off this now please[/QUOTE]

Well this is the dogfighting thread....you don't have to keep posting in it if you are not interested.

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That said, in the VA house they found 3 envelopes addressed to M. Vick, they won't release what was in them.

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[QUOTE]Well this is the dogfighting thread....you don't have to keep posting in it if you are not interested.[/QUOTE]

Huh? Common sense? Where?!?

Anyway...If you derive enjoyment out of forcing or attempting to force animals to fight one another and reap financial benefits then that, my friends, is a problem with your character.

Portis didn't seem to me to come across as totally endorsing the act just trying unsuccessfully to lighten up the criticism towards Vick. I've never leaned towards CP's words as a source of inspiration in the past and still won't.

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i think Portis was trying to say that Mike Vick is an alright guy, that doesn't need his every move under the microscope. if Portis runs for 1500 yards, everyone will forget all about this

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So people are upset with Portis because he tried to make a joke.

Unf-ingbelievable....

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[QUOTE=Hog1;311732]Portis is like nationwide with this thing. Dan Patrick, and K.O. are hammerin' it on ESPN.[/QUOTE]

Mike & Mike picked up on it this morning too, he was nominated for a "Just Shut Up" award and Golic really busted down on him. Portis is an absolute moron, thanks Clinton for giving this team that's already an embarrassment another reason for the media to take a shot at us.

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[quote=djnemo65;311945]Well this is the dogfighting thread....you don't have to keep posting in it if you are not interested.[/quote]


i meant the portis dumb comments part we know portis says some dumb stuff all the time

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You know someone needs to ask Portis what his feelings are on cock fighting during his next interview. Right in the middle of an interview...." So Clinton we saw where the media twisted your words and made you look bad while questioning you about Vick...We could not belive how the media made you look so bad by the way what's you take on cock fighting?" lol.