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[quote=SmootSmack;332606]I can't say I ever heard that for Ramsey quite honestly. I can vouch first hand that Shuler (and Frerotte) both struggled mightily to learn Norv's system. Norv insisted that if Aikman could figure the system out, why should he have to "dumb it down" for Shuler and Frerotte.

But that's all in the past[/quote]

Just a rumor I heard. Speaking of rumors, PFT is re-peddling his "Gibbs wife wants him to quit/Cowher to replace" paragraph as recently as two days ago.

Have you heard anything on that from Nascar folks? I have to say, the people who are disappointed with Gibbs after three years should remember that it took Cowher like 15 years to win his first Super Bowl. I like him okay, but I don't really see him as the second coming of Lombardi the way some people do. I buried this in here on purpose, BTW. I know PFT plays fast and loose. I made a vow not to link anymore (unless it's really, really good)

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My man Brunell getting so much love... I LOVE HIM. He will be our saving grace.

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[quote=hesscl34;332616]My man Brunell getting so much love... I LOVE HIM. He will be our saving grace.[/quote]


I sincerly hope that Brunell doesnt habe to come in for an extended period.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;332613]Just a rumor I heard. Speaking of rumors, PFT is re-peddling his "Gibbs wife wants him to quit/Cowher to replace" paragraph as recently as two days ago.

Have you heard anything on that from Nascar folks? I have to say, the people who are disappointed with Gibbs after three years should remember that it took Cowher like 15 years to win his first Super Bowl. I like him okay, but I don't really see him as the second coming of Lombardi the way some people do. I buried this in here on purpose, BTW. I know PFT plays fast and loose. I made a vow not to link anymore (unless it's really, really good)[/QUOTE]

I'm supposed to meet with some guys from NASCAR and Joe Gibbs Racing later this week. I'll ask.

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Sounds like PFT throwing more crap at the wall to see what sticks.

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[IMG]http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060102/images/sp_skins.jpg[/IMG]

Here ya go Hessy. You can stop Google-ing him now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;332536]Is there any reason to assume that if Campbell got hurt, Brunell couldn't come in and do exactly what he did last year? Assuming that, is there any reason to assume that the controlled passing game of last year that relied on the skill players to be skilled would not work this season?

Giving up is not really a fault of Brunell. Brunell's main fault is that he is a horribly god awful passer under pressure. Solution: keep Brunell from getting pressured. This assumption that old guys don't care about winning and losing is not only absured by conventional methods, but also statistically incorrect.

My personal preference would be the best guy for the job, and assuming that Bramlet is no better than a replacement level NFL QB, it's Brunell in a landslide.[/quote]

Here is the problem. One. Our controlled passing game stunk the first 9 weeks of last year. If I see MB throw one more 5 yard pass on 3-8 I am going to cut off my TV.

Two, QB's are going to have guys hanging around them in the pocket. That is just how it is for an NFL QB. That is unless we only send out 2-3 guys out and Sanders does not like to do that. So Mr Brunell needs everything to be perfect in order for him to play well? Aint gonna happen.

Three, does anyone know if this career clipboard holder, Mr. Collins can play? It seems he did OK last year in preseason. Since Brunell can't get it down the field anymore could the coaches take a long look at Collins as the #2? Probably not cause Gibbs still probably has a hard on for Brunell.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw;332503]I guess it depends on your personal preference. Im my mind it's just as bad or worse to give up(throw it away on 4th down, take a sack, etc.) when you're losing by two scores as it is to turn the ball over while trying to make a play, so I'd prefer one of the young guns.

My point is, the slack won't be picked up at all if Campbell goes down. Brunell may be able to fill in for a week, but if the season hangs in the balance, and Brunell is the savior, we're screwed.[/QUOTE]

Got that right! And once again rather than give a young QB a chance, we will continue with Brunell and go no were significant, so that next season we can all have the same argument again, WE CAN'T LET MARK GO BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCED QB BEHIND CAMPBELL! We should already have an experienced younger QB behind Campbell but we have been married to a washed up, overpaid loser in Brunell, we just had to have Collins as well last season who is absolutly pathetic, which also detracted from a younger talent learning as a backup.

This notion that we are in trouble if we let Brunell go is a joke, the fact is we are in trouble until we let him go! Sooner or later Gibbs has to cut the cord with this guy and realize that there are people on this planet who can play QB besides his beloved Brunell. If Campbell goes down, all of a sudden Brunell is going to lead us to the promised land? He's proven otherwise, I would much rather have an inexperienced QB in there who has the possiblity of becoming a winner, rather than a proven loser like Brunell. Brunell has had more than his fair share of opportunities to lead this team and has been horrible, time to move on!

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[QUOTE=crawfish;332631]Here is the problem. One. Our controlled passing game stunk the first 9 weeks of last year. If I see MB throw one more 5 yard pass on 3-8 I am going to cut off my TV.

Two, QB's are going to have guys hanging around them in the pocket. That is just how it is for an NFL QB. That is unless we only send out 2-3 guys out and Sanders does not like to do that. So Mr Brunell needs everything to be perfect in order for him to play well? Aint gonna happen.

Three, does anyone know if this career clipboard holder, Mr. Collins can play? It seems he did OK last year in preseason. Since Brunell can't get it down the field anymore could the coaches take a long look at Collins as the #2? Probably not cause Gibbs still probably has a hard on for Brunell.[/QUOTE]


I saw Collins play in our last pre season game, he was awful!

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[quote=offiss;332639]I saw Collins play in our last pre season game, he was awful![/quote]What made matters worse was the fact that he was QBing against the 5th string defense (exaggeration). He was supposed to know the offense better than anyone on the team, but looked the worst trying to execute it.

[URL]http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=3344[/URL]

Notice a common trend? Did not take a snap, listed as backup. He is the most inexperienced experienced backup in NFL history.

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[quote=offiss;332638]Got that right! And once again rather than give a young QB a chance, we will continue with Brunell and go no were significant, so that next season we can all have the same argument again, WE CAN'T LET MARK GO BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCED QB BEHIND CAMPBELL! We should already have an experienced younger QB behind Campbell but we have been married to a washed up, overpaid loser in Brunell, we just had to have Collins as well last season who is absolutly pathetic, which also detracted from a younger talent learning as a backup.

This notion that we are in trouble if we let Brunell go is a joke, the fact is we are in trouble until we let him go! Sooner or later Gibbs has to cut the cord with this guy and realize that there are people on this planet who can play QB besides his beloved Brunell. If Campbell goes down, all of a sudden Brunell is going to lead us to the promised land? He's proven otherwise, I would much rather have an inexperienced QB in there who has the possiblity of becoming a winner, rather than a proven loser like Brunell. Brunell has had more than his fair share of opportunities to lead this team and has been horrible, time to move on![/quote]
This is Brunells last year on the team. When he restructured his contract before this season, it was made so it automatically voids after this season. He's probably gonna retire after this year.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;332350]What about John Abraham for MB straight up.[/QUOTE]
i still believe mark b is a quaLITY baCK UP. IF THEY OFFERED THIS DEAL TO US, WHICH I SERIOUSLY DOUBT, ITS A NO BRAINER AND A WIN- WIN FOR BOTH PARTIES INVOLVED. GET ER DONE....LOL

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[QUOTE=firstdown;332480]It probably was but Gibbs is so in love with Brunell that he benched the guy for his man. If he didn't bench Ramsey he would be here now as our starter but instead Gibbs crushed the guys igo and ruined him as a QB.[/QUOTE]
SAY WHAT U WILL ABOUT GIBBS CRUSHING POOR LITTLE OL' PATRICk RAMSEYS EGO...HE'S A WANNA BE GUNSLINGER .WITH NO MOBILITY,THAT MAKES BAD DECISIONS... id rather have mark any day over wamsey...glad he is no longer here. Although i believe if Steve Sspurrier had protected him just a little he would have progressed more than he has..sorry just tryin to be honest

can we all just get along and drop the ramsey stuff finally? whats it been almost 2 yrs now....

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GTRIPP is that you? I just had a deja vous.

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[quote=70Chip;332601]The rap I heard on Ramsey was that he is none too bright. Same as Shuler, who reportedly struggled to learn Norv Turner's system.[/quote]

None too Bright??? I know he wasnt a good qb but dont say he wasnt bright he had 2 majors dont remember exactly what they were but im sure you have to be in order to do that

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Brunell is not done here in Washington. In relief he'll do very well. Falcons will probably field Culpepper if he's healthy or see if Jake Plummer will come to ATL.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;332480]It probably was but Gibbs is so in love with Brunell that he benched the guy for his man. If he didn't bench Ramsey he would be here now as our starter but instead Gibbs crushed the guys[B] igo [/B]and ruined him as a QB.[/QUOTE]

Were you trying to say that Gibbs crushed Ramsey's Igloo?

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If the Redskins can dump Brunnel's salary and cap hit and get a decent draft pick in return, dump his ass. I do not want to see Dink and Dunk anymore.

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[quote=offiss;332638]Got that right! And once again rather than give a young QB a chance, we will continue with Brunell and go no were significant, so that next season we can all have the same argument again, WE CAN'T LET MARK GO BECAUSE WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCED QB BEHIND CAMPBELL! We should already have an experienced younger QB behind Campbell but we have been married to a washed up, overpaid loser in Brunell, we just had to have Collins as well last season who is absolutly pathetic, which also detracted from a younger talent learning as a backup.

This notion that we are in trouble if we let Brunell go is a joke, the fact is we are in trouble until we let him go! Sooner or later Gibbs has to cut the cord with this guy and realize that there are people on this planet who can play QB besides his beloved Brunell. If Campbell goes down, all of a sudden Brunell is going to lead us to the promised land? He's proven otherwise, I would much rather have an inexperienced QB in there who has the possiblity of becoming a winner, rather than a proven loser like Brunell. Brunell has had more than his fair share of opportunities to lead this team and has been horrible, time to move on![/quote]


I guarantee you that Brunell would be far better than any other QB we have on the current depth chart should JC get hurt. To say otherwise is just incorrect. I really think he'd be fine and able to maintain whatever JC started, assuming JC starts something good. The jury is still out.

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[quote=Mattyk72;332612]I haven't heard that about Ramsey either. He was a double major at Tulane and graduated early, so he's pretty book smart at the very least.[/quote]

He's a killer in the library. But with a pass rush, he completely loses his mind.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;332680]None too Bright??? I know he wasnt a good qb but dont say he wasnt bright he had 2 majors dont remember exactly what they were but im sure you have to be in order to do that[/quote]

If book smarts make you a smart QB, I'm all set with my THREE degrees.

I'll step up and take the backup position so we can stop arguing. :)

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[QUOTE=Darrell_Green_28;332680]None too Bright??? I know he wasnt a good qb but dont say he wasnt bright he had 2 majors dont remember exactly what they were but im sure you have to be in order to do that[/QUOTE]

I assume you meant 2 degrees, not majors.
To me, a football player in a large NCAA school getting a degree doesn't float with me too well. Sure some are legit, but more often than not these players have communication or kinesiology as a major, and a lot of grades are given to them because of their role as a vital football player and the amount of time that requires. Again, not all do that, but you never know who does.

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[quote=jsarno;332857]I assume you meant 2 degrees, not majors.
To me, a football player in a large NCAA school getting a degree doesn't float with me too well. Sure some are legit, but more often than not these players have communication or kinesiology as a major, and a lot of grades are given to them because of their role as a vital football player and the amount of time that requires. Again, not all do that, but you never know who does.[/quote]

[URL="http://tulanegreenwave.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ramsey_patrick00.html"]Ramsey was a double major, Accouting and Finance[/URL].

He was also named to the Conference USA Commissioner's honor roll 5 times.

When it came to school he was no joke, Tulane is a good school too.

His football IQ might be lacking, but off the field he seems pretty sharp.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;332872][URL="http://tulanegreenwave.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ramsey_patrick00.html"]Ramsey was a double major, Accouting and Finance[/URL].

He was also named to the Conference USA Commissioner's honor roll 5 times.

When it came to school he was no joke, Tulane is a good school too.

His football IQ might be lacking, but off the field he seems pretty sharp.[/QUOTE]


Good post.
It proves his school literacy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;332872][URL="http://tulanegreenwave.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ramsey_patrick00.html"]Ramsey was a double major, Accouting and Finance[/URL].

He was also named to the Conference USA Commissioner's honor roll 5 times.

When it came to school he was no joke, Tulane is a good school too.

His football IQ might be lacking, but off the field he seems pretty sharp.[/quote]

Good for him. Maybe he can work in our front office, but all of those awards don't score TDs. :)

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;332872][URL="http://tulanegreenwave.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ramsey_patrick00.html"]Ramsey was a double major, Accouting and Finance[/URL].

He was also named to the Conference USA Commissioner's honor roll 5 times.

When it came to school he was no joke, Tulane is a good school too.

His football IQ might be lacking, but off the field he seems pretty sharp.[/QUOTE]

And I can guarantee you that every teacher I had at Tulane put more pressure on football players to perform. I had 2 classes that had football players in them while I was there and in one class I witnessed a teacher rant against football players missing class for any reason relating to football because they "aren't going to the NFL." At the very least the football players were held to the same standard as the rest of us.

I knew a couple guys on the team, they certainly didn't get a free pass. And, on that note, they were all pretty damn bright. If you're recruited by TU you have to have the grades to go there. It doesn't have a reputation for being the "Harvard of the South" for no reason.

Finally, from personal experience, I have no idea how Pat double majored. I was killing myself trying to keep up with 12 credits there. I came away with great grades, but I worked as hard as I ever have for those A's. That school is hard as hell, to double major without being an athlete is crazy, I don't see how he did it.

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[quote=jdlea;332884]And I can guarantee you that every teacher I had at Tulane put more pressure on football players to perform. I had 2 classes that had football players in them while I was there and in one class I witnessed a teacher rant against football players missing class for any reason relating to football because they "aren't going to the NFL." At the very least the football players were held to the same standard as the rest of us.

I knew a couple guys on the team, they certainly didn't get a free pass. And, on that note, they were all pretty damn bright. If you're recruited by TU you have to have the grades to go there. It doesn't have a reputation for being the "Harvard of the South" for no reason.

Finally, from personal experience, I have no idea how Pat double majored. I was killing myself trying to keep up with 12 credits there. I came away with great grades, but I worked as hard as I ever have for those A's. That school is hard as hell, to double major without being an athlete is crazy, I don't see how he did it.[/quote]

Good to hear a first hand experience.

Yeah I don't see how he did it either, double major AND he graduated a semester early. All that and football, and javelin?!

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[QUOTE=jdlea;332884]And I can guarantee you that every teacher I had at Tulane put more pressure on football players to perform. I had 2 classes that had football players in them while I was there and in one class I witnessed a teacher rant against football players missing class for any reason relating to football because they "aren't going to the NFL." At the very least the football players were held to the same standard as the rest of us.

I knew a couple guys on the team, they certainly didn't get a free pass. And, on that note, they were all pretty damn bright. If you're recruited by TU you have to have the grades to go there. It doesn't have a reputation for being the "Harvard of the South" for no reason.

Finally, from personal experience, I have no idea how Pat double majored. I was killing myself trying to keep up with 12 credits there. I came away with great grades, but I worked as hard as I ever have for those A's. That school is hard as hell, to double major without being an athlete is crazy, I don't see how he did it.[/QUOTE]

That's good to hear. I don't think schools should give grades away, they just graduate dummies. That definitely says that Tulane has their priorities straight.

I have never heard it called "Harvard of the South", in fact I have always heard it's a top 5 party school across the nation.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;332894]That's good to hear. I don't think schools should give grades away, they just graduate dummies. That definitely says that Tulane has their priorities straight.

I have never heard it called [B]"Harvard of the South"[/B], in fact I have always heard it's a top 5 party school across the nation.[/QUOTE]

That's more of a local thing because there are a few universities in the area. Everyone I know who grew up in LA and TX refers to it that way.

As for being a party school...definitely. We're in New Orleans. We would generally be up until 3 am every single night. Su, M, Tu, Th doing homework so that we could go out on W, F, Sa. Wednesdays are "Swiller Night" at Quill's, it was awesome. You get a huge cup and anything you want in it for $5. Plenty of hung over kids coming on Thursdays, so you generally try to accomplish everything you had due prior before Friday by 9 pm on a Wednesday so you had time to pregame and walk there.

Man, I miss that school.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;332773]I guarantee you that Brunell would be far better than any other QB we have on the current depth chart should JC get hurt. To say otherwise is just incorrect. I really think he'd be fine and able to maintain whatever JC started, assuming JC starts something good. The jury is still out.[/QUOTE]

So in essense you are guarenteeing no QB could win 3 games this season?

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[QUOTE=jdlea;332903]That's more of a local thing because there are a few universities in the area. Everyone I know who grew up in LA and TX refers to it that way.

As for being a party school...definitely. We're in New Orleans. We would generally be up until 3 am every single night. Su, M, Tu, Th doing homework so that we could go out on W, F, Sa. Wednesdays are "Swiller Night" at Quill's, it was awesome. You get a huge cup and anything you want in it for $5. Plenty of hung over kids coming on Thursdays, so you generally try to accomplish everything you had due prior before Friday by 9 pm on a Wednesday so you had time to pregame and walk there.

Man, I miss that school.[/QUOTE]

That's what college is for! :D
What sucked for me, is I went to Harding University for 2 years (before I wised up and left) and it was in a dry county. We literally had to drive 40 minutes to get alcohol, and of course whoever went had a long list of alcohol to bring back, and you were only allowed to carry so much per vehicle / person. So every time someone went out, they broke the law. HAHA.
It wasn't until I went to UMASS (1 year) that I learned how to really party.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;332537]How did the Saints get in the mix? Last time I checked they have a pretty damn good QB, and aren't shopping for a backup?

This DE, Lake. What are you talking about on this one? Mark for Lake makes NO sense?

Please explain your thinking on this move?[/QUOTE]

It appears we still have a need for a pass rusher and Lake seemed to be all over the field whenever I watched the Falcons. MB is shot and the sooner people realize it, the better. So why not keep Collins, send Brunell to ATL and get a young pass rusher? This is my thinking

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[QUOTE=44Dive;333262]It appears we still have a need for a pass rusher and Lake seemed to be all over the field whenever I watched the Falcons. MB is shot and the sooner people realize it, the better. So why not keep Collins, send Brunell to ATL and get a young pass rusher? This is my thinking[/QUOTE]

The problem with your thinking is you're a year off in your assessment. Antwan Lake left the Falcons at the end of 2005 and now plays for the Saints. It's equivalent to saying why don't the Bills trade with the Colts and get Edgerrin James

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Simeon Rce just released by the Bucs. I thought this would happen after they drafted Adams. This would be a HUGE addition to our D Line and pass rush. Hopefully we have been anticipating this.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;333264]The problem with your thinking is you're a year off in your assessment. Antwan Lake left the Falcons at the end of 2005 and now plays for the Saints. It's equivalent to saying why don't the Bills trade with the Colts and get Edgerrin James[/QUOTE]

Man...you are SO right. I need to do a lot of catching up. Thanks for getting me up to speed.

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Ouch! Smootsmack is like a friggin' sports almanac!

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Has there actually been any interest from the Falcons or just speculation?

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speculation

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;332412]First, I agree with you, MB is a great guy, top-notch person.
Second, (I just thought of this point) Gibbs is too loyal to let MB go anywhere unless ATL puts up a monster deal.

But....unfortunatley IMO the Jags game was the exception, not the rule since Nov 2005. Stats aren't everything, but I believe confirm what I'm saying.

Since Nov 2005
MB has passed for over 200 yards in 5 out of 18 games, and for over 250 in only 2 of 18.
He has thrown for more than 1 touchdown in 5 out of those same 18 games, but 0 touchdowns in 7 of 18.
His QB rating in 2006 was over 77 in only 4 out of 9 games.

I sat in the end-zone against the Chargers in 2005 and had a great view from as close to the QB perspective as you can get sitting in the stands. I watched on at least three separate plays where Moss had the SD corners torched on beautiful Post-Corner routes downfield, MB was looking right at him each time, but the ball needed to be thrown with velocity at about 35+ yards to the outside and he didn't make the throws because IMO he knew he couldn't get the ball there.[/quote]

Brunell has no almost no value. He and Collins are two of the worse QB's in the NFL and are only around because of relationships within the organization. They're security blankets for a couple of guys we know.

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This reminds me of the idiotic move we made by turning down a first round pick or Ogulyne with the Bears(sp?) for Ramsey.

If someone offered a wet ham sandwich for Brunell we would be very stupid not to take it.