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we have absolutely no say on weather they sign him or not sooo...... why get all flustered bout it

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[QUOTE=mmil12;333836] I past post said he has 12 sacks in 2005. Did we fail to realize the 2005 was 2 years ago?[/QUOTE]

If you had read my post, I corrected everyone's stats with his actual stats for 2002-2005. So here it is again:
02- 16.0 (16 gms)
03- 14.5 (16 gms)
04- 12.5 (14 gms)
05- 14.0 (15 gms)

So the man gets injured and has one poor season it's time to throw him in the garbage? No Redskins DE has done that over a 4 season span in the past decade...maybe the past 2.
To ignore Rice when we have all these issues at DL would be giving up on the season already. At least explore it, if he's too much then move on, if not, then get him in a uni NOW.

ps- funny how divided we are...it's 15 to 14 right now in favor of signing him.

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If he's healthy and can be had for a decent price we would be stupid to not do it, but those two conditions are quite iffy at this point.

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[quote=blchizzleke;333843]This is the one "splurge" of the offseason that has been rumored for the Redskins that I strongly hope that we do. We all can agree that Rice would be an upgrade over wynn, daniels, evans, and even carter for that matter. I've seen some people only wanting him to play on passing downs...please....hes better against the run and the pass than the guys we have now. Let's say we offered him a one year 4 million dollar deal or something of that sort, what would that hurt? He's in for one year, if he helps us he helps us, if we see early he isn't healthy he can sit on the bench and we can give him the money we had the room for anyway and send him on his way the next year.[/quote]

I totally disagree. Daniels is old & inury prone & Wynn is well past his prime but both are as good or better than Rice vs. the run. It's never been his strong point & it would show if not for the LBs that have played behind him.
In his prime he was a better version of Andre Carter, but he's also been known as a primadonna me-first guy. See JLC's Skins Insider comment on him in the wash post. He hits it right on the nail. We don't need another Bruce Smith, we're lining MW up at end on passing situations & hopefully J. Hickman can make the team as a pass rusher.

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when gibbs was asked he said "no" pretty quickly

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I cant believe that we dont want this guy. He would be the best move they have made in a long time. I think our line becomes top ten instantly with him on it. I would trade both Daniels and Wynn for this guy.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;334013]I cant believe that we dont want this guy. He would be the best move they have made in a long time. I think our line becomes top ten instantly with him on it. I would trade both Daniels and Wynn for this guy.[/quote]

the man is definetly on the decline, he couldnt play a whole game. he could play maybe 15-20 plays a game

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If he isn't good against the run there will always be 3rd downs and some 2nd and longs. If he was a situational player for us i think he would help out, but he will play as a starter for big money. Someone will pay him to do that other than the skins. If the Gmen sign him and release Strahan that could land us big mike since he stated he would like to play in DC. Football is a damn Soap Opera anymore but i like it.....lol

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Well I like Strahan also. He is older, but still could help alot.

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[quote=jsarno;333923]If you had read my post, I corrected everyone's stats with his actual stats for 2002-2005. So here it is again:
02- 16.0 (16 gms)
03- 14.5 (16 gms)
04- 12.5 (14 gms)
05- 14.0 (15 gms)

So the man gets injured and has one poor season it's time to throw him in the garbage? No Redskins DE has done that over a 4 season span in the past decade...maybe the past 2.
To ignore Rice when we have all these issues at DL would be giving up on the season already. At least explore it, if he's too much then move on, if not, then get him in a uni NOW.

ps- funny how divided we are...it's 15 to 14 right now in favor of signing him.[/quote]


Why your at it, why not at least post last years "poor" season stats.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4151"]NFL.com - Simeon Rice[/URL]

Just what we need another Bruce Smith...? lol

This guy is old at the end of his career and is going to require to much cash and he won't get it in DC. I believe Joe's comments on SR were we are not interested.

Thank you LORD.

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I would take him. He is still better than every DE we have.

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try to sign him at least cant be anyworse than the ends we have now

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I hope you all are correct that Simeons last days are behind him. Just read on the NFL network that the Giants are bringing him in on the 31st for a try out because Strahan (sp) is holding out. Not that I'm scared of the Giants or think we need to sign Simeon so the Giants won't get him but I hope he is damaged goods and does not perform very well especially when we play them if they sign him.

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Sorry I meant the NFL.com

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The release of Rice was not a cap saving move. If it were, he would have been cut on June 1st.

He was cut because he could not pass a physical and his shoulder is still not healed yet. The guy is rode hard, put up wet and injured.

Why sign a guy to a contract if he is not going to be able to contribute?

The only team that needs to sign a guy like Rice is one which needs depth at the position. the 'Skins need someone who can come in and contribute from the start.

Pass of Rice, watch the waiver wire during camp and you could find someone with more miles on him.

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Rice is a turnover forcing machine. He has 32 forced fumbles throughout his career. 2 years ago he had 6 FF's. This team needs someone like that. Who knows maybe Andre Carter will live up to his contract.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;334049]The release of Rice was not a cap saving move. If it were, he would have been cut on June 1st.

He was cut because he could not pass a physical and his shoulder is still not healed yet. The guy is rode hard, put up wet and injured.

Why sign a guy to a contract if he is not going to be able to contribute?

The only team that needs to sign a guy like Rice is one which needs depth at the position. the 'Skins need someone who can come in and contribute from the start.

Pass of Rice, watch the waiver wire during camp and you could find someone with more miles on him.[/quote]
He was cut because he became expendable after the signing of Gaines Adams. I think they made a mistake.

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The skins are known for bringing in bigtime players and they usually get blasted by several media outlets for it. Sometimes they deserve it and sometimes they don't. Simeon Rice would bring praise b/c he brings big play potential. Its a mistake to let someone else sign him. They got the cap to do it. Hopefully the dan can go over gibbs head on this one.

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i think its a good move no doubt.

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;334062]He was cut because he became expendable after the signing of Gaines Adams. I think they made a mistake.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but cutting Rice is a good football move for them if he truly is injured...and it will likely make space for signing someone like Culpepper.

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[quote=jsarno;334121]Yeah, but cutting Rice is a good football move for them if he truly is injured...and it will likely make space for signing someone like Culpepper.[/quote]


Why in the hell does TB need any more QB's. They got like 3 that have started at one time or another and another one who thinks he's retired. Another QB would be a stupid move.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;334126]Why in the hell does TB need any more QB's. They got like 3 that have started at one time or another and another one who thinks he's retired. Another QB would be a stupid move.[/QUOTE]

Well, I didn't say it was the smartest move they can make, but they are looking heavily into Culpepper.
Although, do they really have a viable starter? Getting Culpepper would be an upgrade over what they have.

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[quote=jsarno;334130]Well, I didn't say it was the smartest move they can make, but they are looking heavily into Culpepper.
Although, do they really have a viable starter? Getting Culpepper would be an upgrade over what they have.[/quote]

An upgrade is yet to be seen as Culpepper hasn't performed in nearly two years. NFC East fans can attest to the fact that Garcia was hot last year. Simms was comming into his own before he got hurt, and John Gruden was enamored by Gradkowski's "sick passion for football". Plumber isnt officially retired. You are only going to carry 2 (active) of them through the regular season. Something has to give.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;334133]An upgrade is yet to be seen as Culpepper hasn't performed in nearly two years. NFC East fans can attest to the fact that Garcia was hot last year. Simms was comming into his own before he got hurt, and John Gruden was enamored by Gradkowski's "sick passion for football". Plumber isnt officially retired. You are only going to carry 2 (active) of them through the regular season. Something has to give.[/QUOTE]

Umm, Simms, in 3 games had 1 td and 7 int's last year before his injury. The year before he had 10 tds and 7 ints in 11 games. I don't call that "into his own".
Gradkowski had 9 tds and 9 ints in 14 games last year...that sucks.
Garcia, well, if you take away last year (10 tds, 2 ints in 8 games) he had 13 tds and 15 ints the previous 2 seasons (17 games). Seriously, who would you rather have Garcia (past his prime and 37) or Culpepper (had one of the greatest football seasons ever)?
Plummer, well, I don't quite get him. He's only 32, and he's thrown for the same amount of tds as ints. (161) In 10 years, he has only thrown for over 3k yards 4 times. Plummer has never been a pro bowler either. No one knows if he's playing or not either.

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[quote=jsarno;334138]Umm, Simms, in 3 games had 1 td and 7 int's last year before his injury. The year before he had 10 tds and 7 ints in 11 games. I don't call that "into his own".
Gradkowski had 9 tds and 9 ints in 14 games last year...that sucks.
Garcia, well, if you take away last year (10 tds, 2 ints in 8 games) he had 13 tds and 15 ints the previous 2 seasons (17 games). Seriously, who would you rather have Garcia (past his prime and 37) or Culpepper (had one of the greatest football seasons ever)?
Plummer, well, I don't quite get him. He's only 32, and he's thrown for the same amount of tds as ints. (161) In 10 years, he has only thrown for over 3k yards 4 times. Plummer has never been a pro bowler either. No one knows if he's playing or not either.[/quote]

Honestly I would rather have Garcia. This is a "What have you done for me lately?" league. And all stats aside Simms was getting it done the year before last. and Gradkowski was only a rookie last year. I say that they have a great bench in terms of experience down the depth chart. Let Garcia run the offense for a couple more years, then lets Simms have it back for 2 or 3 seasons and by then Gradkowski should be ready.


Honestly I do not care other wise, but adding Culpepper just seems silly.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;334143]Honestly I would rather have Garcia. This is a "What have you done for me lately?" league. And all stats aside Simms was getting it done the year before last. and Gradkowski was only a rookie last year. I say that they have a great bench in terms of experience down the depth chart. Let Garcia run the offense for a couple more years, then lets Simms have it back for 2 or 3 seasons and by then Gradkowski should be ready.


Honestly I do not care other wise, but adding Culpepper just seems silly.[/QUOTE]

So let me get this straight, by your standards, this is how the it will go down:
Garcia 07, & 08.
Simms 09, 10, 11. (benched at the age of 31)
Gradkowski takes over in 2012?
Do you really think that could even remotely pan out? Even worse, I don't think any of those players can win it. Garcia has proven that he needs to have a fantastic team to win, he doesn't have that in Tampa.
I'd take Culpepper in a heart beat over those bums.

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[quote=jsarno;334153]So let me get this straight, by your standards, this is how the it will go down:
Garcia 07, & 08.
Simms 09, 10, 11. (benched at the age of 31)
Gradkowski takes over in 2012?
Do you really think that could even remotely pan out? Even worse, I don't think any of those players can win it. Garcia has proven that he needs to have a fantastic team to win, he doesn't have that in Tampa.
I'd take Culpepper in a heart beat over those bums.[/quote]

Well, Simms would be released or traded by 31, but yeah to each his own and thats my evaluation. What do you mean they cannot win it? All they need is to manage the game and not lose it with a solid running game and a defense. Look at Trent Dilfer and Ben Rothlisburger. I am not saying that Ben is a bad QB, but he didn't have to win games with his arm.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;334158]Well, Simms would be released or traded by 31, but yeah to each his own and thats my evaluation. What do you mean they cannot win it? All they need is to manage the game and not lose it with a solid running game and a defense. Look at Trent Dilfer and Ben Rothlisburger. I am not saying that Ben is a bad QB, but he didn't have to win games with his arm.[/QUOTE]


Well, Trent had one of the best defenses of all time.
Ben had a good year in 05, 62.7% comp, 17tds and only 9 ints in 13 games. While he didn't "win it with his arm", he did a good job. Also, while his SB performance sucked, he threw for 6 tds and only 1 int in the 3 postseason games.
Tampa doesn't have those types of teams, and Roethlisberger is better than all of those guys (and I correctly labelled Ben as overrated before he faltered)

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[quote=jsarno;334164]Well, Trent had one of the best defenses of all time.
Ben had a good year in 05, 62.7% comp, 17tds and only 9 ints in 13 games. While he didn't "win it with his arm", he did a good job. Also, while his SB performance sucked, he threw for 6 tds and only 1 int in the 3 postseason games.
Tampa doesn't have those types of teams, and Roethlisberger is better than all of those guys (and I correctly labelled Ben as overrated before he faltered)[/quote]


Tampa Bay isn't that far off from being one of those teams. Even in their last SB appearance it was the strength of their Defense and running game that got them there. They just need to reload the Defense a little. They already have a solid running game.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;334121]Yeah, but cutting Rice is a good football move for them if he truly is injured...and it will likely make space for signing someone like Culpepper.[/QUOTE]

Get one injured player for another? How many QB's does that team need anyway?

SR will not become a REDSKIN.

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Rice is old, came from a better defense, and didn't produce last year. Let's not go near him. I'd rather save up for future years, three year contract would be a stupid decision, he has one year left at best

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If we can get him cheap, then let him try to make the team. He is a gamer.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;334049]The release of Rice was not a cap saving move. If it were, he would have been cut on June 1st.

He was cut because he could not pass a physical and his shoulder is still not healed yet. The guy is rode hard, put up wet and injured.

Why sign a guy to a contract if he is not going to be able to contribute?

The only team that needs to sign a guy like Rice is one which needs depth at the position. the 'Skins need someone who can come in and contribute from the start.

Pass of Rice, watch the waiver wire during camp and you could find someone with more miles on him.[/quote]
Ok, I'm agreeing with a Dallas fan. We did scouting reports on rice and they came back poor so the Skins did not persue him and have no intentions of bringing him to Redskins park. So this is a non issue.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2958225]ESPN - Rice spends time with Giants, but others interested - NFL[/url]

Well, the Redskins could be more interested than we thought.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience;335927][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2958225]ESPN - Rice spends time with Giants, but others interested - NFL[/url]

Well, the Redskins could be more interested than we thought.[/QUOTE]

Need to sign Rice i rather have him than Daniels any day.

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Just read he was released. I didn't want to start a new thread dedicated to him so I dug this up. Aren't we glad we didn't sign that bum?

Re: Simeon Rice released by Bucs then Broncos. Now a Colt
 

Colts have apparently claimed him

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Interesting to see how this plays out.