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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;343123]Honestly, I'd use our first AND second on offensive line next year. If our defense can hold up this year and prove something. I would love to use our early picks on the best tackle (first round) and guard available. The Ravens got Ben Grubbs, arguably the best offensive linemen in the draft besides Thomas, in the late first round.[/quote]
Yeah, I want to see how things work out this year, because I think we might be able to keep this line together for another year or two, but I have a feeling we are going to need our 1st round pick for a DE, because opposite Carter we have Daniels who is 34, and Wynn who is 32, and I don't think they're going to be in the league much longer. However youth at the O-line is very important.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

The fact that it's a 1 or 2 (at the most) year deal makes me VERY okay with this. He's a vet so he should pick up on things quickly, and he's been in Jets training camp so I'm sure he's in game shape. I hope the "undisclosed mid-round draft pick" is a 5th rounder and not a 3rd or 4th...

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

With this acquisition this has to give us the most depth on the offensive line in the NFL with Wade, Fabini, Tucker, all former starters, we are set for now on the o-line once Samuels returns.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;343132]With this acquisition this has to give us the most depth on the offensive line in the NFL with Wade, Fabini, Tucker, all former starters, we are set for now on the o-line once Samuels returns.[/quote]

Apart from Wade I'd say those guys are on the bubble to even make the team. I like the move, but hardly thinks it gives the Skins the most O-Line depth in the league.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=RMSkins;343130]Yeah, I want to see how things work out this year, because I think we might be able to keep this line together for another year or two, but I have a feeling we are going to need our 1st round pick for a DE, because opposite Carter we have Daniels who is 34, and Wynn who is 32, and I don't think they're going to be in the league much longer. However youth at the O-line is very important.[/quote]

For me, I feel like it's very rare when there's a "can't miss" DE. Mario Williams was supposed to be as "can't miss" as they come and he hasn't been anything but average. It always seems like it's the second and third round pick project DEs that seem to impress.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;343137]For me, I feel like it's very rare when there's a "can't miss" DE. Mario Williams was supposed to be as "can't miss" as they come and he hasn't been anything but average. It always seems like it's the second and third round pick project DEs that seem to impress.[/quote]
I agree DE's in the 1st round are usually hit or miss, but we are going to have to do something at the LDE spot wether it be in the draft, or FA.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Espn.com is reporting he has three years left on his deal. 2007 1.7 million (I believe we raised to 2.7 million), 2008 2.3 million, and 2009 2.9 million. Not bad at all for a starting guard. Hopefully we can get three good years from him.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;343133]Apart from Wade I'd say those guys are on the bubble to even make the team. I like the move, but hardly thinks it gives the Skins the most O-Line depth in the league.[/quote]

Name another team that has 3 offensive lineman coming off the bench that were former starters and dont forget Fabini was a solid tackle for the Jets at one point.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=mheisig;343120][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2988171&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines"]Jets Deal Unhappy O-lineman Kendall[/URL]

What makes me feel great is the choice of words in the first two paragraphs. Let's pick a few out, shall we?

Acrimony
Bickering
Disgruntled
Upset
Railed
Grievances
Dispute

All used to describe a 34-year old football player.

Gives me goosebumps all over.[/QUOTE]


While that does concern me, I don't recall any issues with him at Arizona or Seattle. Plus, he's from Mass, and playing in NY, who wouldn't be a little irritated! :D
I think it's a great pickup. 5th rounder is nothing special, and we now have valuable depth. Whether he's a starter or not, he's worth it.

My major concern is that Bugel / Gibbs doesn't like Wade right now and wanted a plan b.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Fabini and Kendall started together in 2004 on the left side of that Jets line, when Curtis Martin ran for nearly 1700 yards.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;343148]My major concern is that Bugel / Gibbs doesn't like Wade right now and wanted a plan b.[/QUOTE] How about the fact that they really didn't seem to have a plan B to begin with?

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Good pick up. I was eying this a while ago, and I was thinking that since he doesn't wanna be there, then what about with us?

He is a definite, starting upgrade at the LG position, and we got him for a 5th?

Is 50 cent in the Front Office? Where any weapons brandished? Who gives a fcuk, we got ourselves a guard boys!!!

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Really? Is everyone really this happy about this move? So we basically rented a player for a year (possibly two) whose best days are behind him, and who demands a large salary. On the other hand, we gave away a draft pick (remember what those are? They are these things that the other 31 teams in football use to acquire young, cheap players, who will stick around for awhile and whom a team can build a base around; essentially the antithesis of Kendall). We gave away a mid-round draft pick, the kind of draft pick that a lot of teams use to acquire dependable and young and cheap offensive and defensive lineman. These picks are essential to building lasting depth, which is something no team can win without, yet we give them away like cheap candy. See, if we had more than one pick in the first 78 rounds of the draft this year, we would have probably drafted a player that would have made this Kendall trade unnecessary, but unfortunately we couldn't do that because we stupidly gave away all of our draft picks for a few rent-a-players. And of course, next year at the draft, the same problems will present themselves, and this just becomes a stupid vicious circle of errors. How many times do we have to make moves like this before the the front office (and the fans) learn that trading draft picks for over-the-hill talent is a recipe for disaster in the NFL?

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;343150]How about the fact that they really didn't seem to have a plan B to begin with?[/QUOTE]

They always have a plan B, it just happens that we don't always like plan B.

It's not like we had a ton of options to bring in a stud Guard, and we weren't paying what Dockery got for Dockery or anyone else.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=Coff;343164]Really? Is everyone really this happy about this move? So we basically rented a player for a year (possibly two) whose best days are behind him, and who demands a large salary. On the other hand, we gave away a draft pick (remember what those are? They are these things that the other 31 teams in football use to acquire young, cheap players, who will stick around for awhile and whom a team can build a base around; essentially the antithesis of Kendall). We gave away a mid-round draft pick, the kind of draft pick that a lot of teams use to acquire dependable and young and cheap offensive and defensive lineman. These picks are essential to building lasting depth, which is something no team can win without, yet we give them away like cheap candy. See, if we had more than one pick in the first 78 rounds of the draft this year, we would have probably drafted a player that would have made this Kendall trade unnecessary, but unfortunately we couldn't do that because we stupidly gave away all of our draft picks for a few rent-a-players. And of course, next year at the draft, the same problems will present themselves, and this just becomes a stupid vicious circle of errors. How many times do we have to make moves like this before the the front office (and the fans) learn that trading draft picks for over-the-hill talent is a recipe for disaster in the NFL?[/QUOTE]

Kendall is still talented, and will be for 2 years. We didn't pay him a ton of money at all for a guard, and it sures up a spot on our line that was previously a question mark. If you haven't noticed only about 5% agree with you here, but 100% of us would say not to "waste" draft picks, meaning this was no waste...epsecially cause it's a 5th rounder. I think you think too highly of 5th rounders, cause this is a steal for us.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Coff;343164]Really? Is everyone really this happy about this move? So we basically rented a player for a year (possibly two) whose best days are behind him, and who demands a large salary. On the other hand, we gave away a draft pick (remember what those are? They are these things that the other 31 teams in football use to acquire young, cheap players, who will stick around for awhile and whom a team can build a base around; essentially the antithesis of Kendall). We gave away a mid-round draft pick, the kind of draft pick that a lot of teams use to acquire dependable and young and cheap offensive and defensive lineman. These picks are essential to building lasting depth, which is something no team can win without, yet we give them away like cheap candy. See, if we had more than one pick in the first 78 rounds of the draft this year, we would have probably drafted a player that would have made this Kendall trade unnecessary, but unfortunately we couldn't do that because we stupidly gave away all of our draft picks for a few rent-a-players. And of course, next year at the draft, the same problems will present themselves, and this just becomes a stupid vicious circle of errors. How many times do we have to make moves like this before the the front office (and the fans) learn that trading draft picks for over-the-hill talent is a recipe for disaster in the NFL?[/quote]

THe success rate of 5th round picks is not very high. Kendall is above average LG... STILL! This year and most likely next. That value far out-weighs a 5th round pick.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;343150]How about the fact that they really didn't seem to have a plan B to begin with?[/QUOTE]

I think their Plan B reads like this: "Plan B: Come up with a Plan B."

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=Coff;343164]Really? Is everyone really this happy about this move? So we basically rented a player for a year (possibly two) whose best days are behind him, and who demands a large salary. On the other hand, we gave away a draft pick (remember what those are? They are these things that the other 31 teams in football use to acquire young, cheap players, who will stick around for awhile and whom a team can build a base around; essentially the antithesis of Kendall). We gave away a mid-round draft pick, the kind of draft pick that a lot of teams use to acquire dependable and young and cheap offensive and defensive lineman. These picks are essential to building lasting depth, which is something no team can win without, yet we give them away like cheap candy. See, if we had more than one pick in the first 78 rounds of the draft this year, we would have probably drafted a player that would have made this Kendall trade unnecessary, but unfortunately we couldn't do that because we stupidly gave away all of our draft picks for a few rent-a-players. And of course, next year at the draft, the same problems will present themselves, and this just becomes a stupid vicious circle of errors. How many times do we have to make moves like this before the the front office (and the fans) learn that trading draft picks for over-the-hill talent is a recipe for disaster in the NFL?[/QUOTE]

I'm not ecstatic about the move, but I don't think it's a disaster. I think giving up a mid to late round pick for some much needed depth on the O-line is a decent exchange.

This league is built around getting to the Super Bowl THIS season. Very few teams seem worried about building long term. How many players stick with one team for their entire career anymore?

For better or for worse the NFL is about instant gratification. Win a Super Bowl and think about the aftermath later.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;343167]It's not like we had a ton of options to bring in a stud Guard, and we weren't paying what Dockery got for Dockery or anyone else.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and I'm glad we didn't break the bank on a guard but I just think it was dumb to just assume that Wade could take over the spot, or at least play it better than any of the castoffs that we have to back him up.

I think this Kendall move will offer the best solution to the problem, but I just wish we weren't dealing with this issue in mid-August.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Coff;343164]Really? Is everyone really this happy about this move? So we basically rented a player for a year (possibly two) whose best days are behind him, and who demands a large salary. On the other hand, we gave away a draft pick (remember what those are? They are these things that the other 31 teams in football use to acquire young, cheap players, who will stick around for awhile and whom a team can build a base around; essentially the antithesis of Kendall). We gave away a mid-round draft pick, the kind of draft pick that a lot of teams use to acquire dependable and young and cheap offensive and defensive lineman. These picks are essential to building lasting depth, which is something no team can win without, yet we give them away like cheap candy. See, if we had more than one pick in the first 78 rounds of the draft this year, we would have probably drafted a player that would have made this Kendall trade unnecessary, but unfortunately we couldn't do that because we stupidly gave away all of our draft picks for a few rent-a-players. And of course, next year at the draft, the same problems will present themselves, and this just becomes a stupid vicious circle of errors. How many times do we have to make moves like this before the the front office (and the fans) learn that trading draft picks for over-the-hill talent is a recipe for disaster in the NFL?[/quote]

I hear what you're saying, Coff and I tend to lean toward your argument some. However, I don't think you can adequately or objectively, for that matter, look at the Kendall acquistion outside of Dockery's departure. Because ultimatetly that's who he's here to replace; Derrick Dockery.

I think if we look at this is as him replacing Pucillo or better than Wade or than this guy or that guy, then the trade looks a little diffferent. The fact that it seems that Wade hasn't worked himself into the line up all that well and we've only seen Pucillo one full game, makes the situation seem as though we've failed at plugging that position. But if we backed this trade up, say, two or three months ago, then it probably doesn't look so bad from a monetary or experience standpoint.

Ask yourself, if we signed this guy two weeks after Dockery left, would I feel the same?

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

This is not a disaster move. A disaster move would be to continue a charade where the left guard spot is left wide open to be plugged with veteran tackles.

And this Plan B is better than Mayor Quimby's...

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=Coff;343164]Really? Is everyone really this happy about this move? So we basically rented a player for a year (possibly two) whose best days are behind him, and who demands a large salary. On the other hand, we gave away a draft pick (remember what those are? They are these things that the other 31 teams in football use to acquire young, cheap players, who will stick around for awhile and whom a team can build a base around; essentially the antithesis of Kendall). We gave away a mid-round draft pick, the kind of draft pick that a lot of teams use to acquire dependable and young and cheap offensive and defensive lineman. These picks are essential to building lasting depth, which is something no team can win without, yet we give them away like cheap candy. See, if we had more than one pick in the first 78 rounds of the draft this year, we would have probably drafted a player that would have made this Kendall trade unnecessary, but unfortunately we couldn't do that because we stupidly gave away all of our draft picks for a few rent-a-players. And of course, next year at the draft, the same problems will present themselves, and this just becomes a stupid vicious circle of errors. How many times do we have to make moves like this before the the front office (and the fans) learn that trading draft picks for over-the-hill talent is a recipe for disaster in the NFL?[/quote]

So you'd rather move forward with the disaster that is our current LG situation?

That's the problem here. The Todd Wade experiment was clearly not panning out. He's banged up and hasn't given any indication that he'll be up to starter quality by the time week one arrives. Would you rather roll with Pucillo as your starting LG? If the goal is to win football games, I'd say that's a pretty bad idea.

Are we happy about giving up a draft pick to shore up LG? Of course not. But it's WAY better than the alternative, which is lose.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;343174]I agree, and I'm glad we didn't break the bank on a guard but I just think it was dumb to just assume that Wade could take over the spot, or at least play it better than any of the castoffs that we have to back him up.

I think this Kendall move will offer the best solution to the problem, but I just wish we weren't dealing with this issue in mid-August.[/QUOTE]

I agree...mid august is a bit troubling...but like I said, I think they just realized that Wade won't cut it. At least they recognized it sooner than later.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=12thMan;343180]I hear what you're saying, Coff and I tend to lean toward your argument some. However, I don't think you can adequately or objectively, for that matter, look at the Kendall acquistion outside of Dockery's departure. Because ultimatetly that's who he's here to replace; Derrick Dockery.

I think if we look at this is as him replacing Pucillo or better than Wade or than this guy or that guy, then the trade looks a little diffferent. The fact that it seems that Wade hasn't worked himself into the line up all that well and we've only seen Pucillo one full game, makes the situation seem as though we've failed at plugging that position. But if we backed this trade up, say, two or three months ago, then it probably doesn't look so bad from a monetary or experience standpoint.

Ask yourself, if we signed this guy two weeks after Dockery left, would I feel the same?[/QUOTE]


While I do miss Dock, he was not worth that kind of money. He was good, but was a product of his fellow teammates and coaching. Kendall is a pretty good replacement, and for half the money! Kendall is just a very small step down due to his age. But he could be just what we need.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;343184]I agree...mid august is a bit troubling...but like I said, I think they just realized that Wade won't cut it. At least they recognized it sooner than later.[/QUOTE]
True, and I'm also glad that they realized it now and not some time in mid October after Campbell got sacked for the 40th time by a DT.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Oh Hell Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

I'm receiving multiple text messages from my anti-Skins friends, congratulating me on "shitting away more draft picks." I feel like getting a proven high-caliber player to fill a position of pressing need, only needing to give the guy a $1M raise (small potatoes relatively speaking), giving up only a mid-to-late round pick, and not signing him to some ridiculous extension is VERY SMART front office football. I love this move. I'm sure Jason Campbell does too. Let's face it folks, a converted, injured Todd Wade and Mike Puccillo weren't gonna cut it. And the coaches obviously agree. Now hopefully Wade can spell Jansen and Fabini can also fill in when needed. This is big for us.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

So when the Colts did it to basically borrow Booger McFarland last year for the Super Bowl, how did they feel about that?

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

This isn't Brandon Lloyd for a 3rd and 4th pick.

This is immediately boosting our weakest position. Great move by the F.O., you've got to give them credit for pushing this forward. Hopefully it works out, and we keep a healthy O-line.

I'm 100% for this one, excellent pick up.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

This says it was for a fourth round pick, which is kind of high, but it's not that bad.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801b4d81&template=with-video&confirm=true"]Jets trade Kendall to Redskins for fourth-round pick[/URL]

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

Very nice pick up for the price! Kendall is a good addition up front.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

On a Cowboys note since you are of the more unbiased of Cowboys fans around here. What have been your early criticisms of Leonard Davis? I haven't caught any of their games besides Sportscenter stuff and was wondering if he was worth the price.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[QUOTE=steveo395;343199]This says it was for a fourth round pick, which is kind of high, but it's not that bad.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d801b4d81&template=with-video&confirm=true"]Jets trade Kendall to Redskins for fourth-round pick[/URL][/QUOTE]


its a 5th round pick in the year 2009.... this is a very good pick up, plus I added him to the madden line up....... clinton is running to daylight

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;343196]So when the Colts did it to basically borrow Booger McFarland last year for the Super Bowl, how did they feel about that?[/quote]

You're right. It seems when the skins make a move, it's here we go again...

but if the colts and pats make a move, they're brilliant.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;343196]So when the Colts did it to basically borrow Booger McFarland last year for the Super Bowl, how did they feel about that?[/quote]

My two best friends are Giants and Eagles fans, and they are used to having plenty of front office gaffes to mock me about. They just wish this was a bad move. They know football, and they know it was a smart play by the Skins, they just love to forcefeed the hate.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=DEVIL'S OWN;343202]its a 5th round pick in the year 2009.... this is a very good pick up, plus I added him to the madden line up....... clinton is running to daylight[/quote]
They just updated the article and now it says its a 5th rounder that can upgrade to a 4th

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=12thMan;343203]You're right. It seems when the skins make a move, it's here we go again...

but if the colts and pats make a move, they're brilliant.[/quote]

If I remember correctly they gave up an even more valuable pick than we did.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

How old is this guy? Is he a geezer. If he is a younger FA I don't have a problem with it, but if he is a Bruce Smith type, it is just going to be a short term fix for a long term problem. WE could have acquired a G with that 5th rounder next season. ASctually we shoud have drafted a G this year.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

On a side note, I was reading the ESPN release for the Kendall signing and if anyone was worried about his attitude, remember that he took a paycut because he didn't feel like he deserved that money for how he played one year and then he stepped it up and wanted the money back. Is that so wrong? We ask Redskin players to take pay cuts and/or take less guaranteed money each year.

Re: KENDALL to the Redskins (confirmed)
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;343218]How old is this guy? Is he a geezer. If he is a younger FA I don't have a problem with it, but if he is a Bruce Smith type, it is just going to be a short term fix for a long term problem. WE could have acquired a G with that 5th rounder next season. ASctually we shoud have drafted a G this year.[/quote]

Kendall is a stop-gap measure for this year and maybe the next two. The odds of that fifth round pick outplaying him are slim to none.