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WHAT THE F*CK!!! Gibbs should NEVER EVER call ANY offensive plays again in his life!! F*ck that conservative bullshit. How are we supposed to close out a game that way?!! Hell u cant win games playin scared! Whoever called the plays for this game needs to be fired!

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I had to join the chat room near the end of the game just to say whats up with this shitty ass playcalling,the giants suck at pass coverage and were trying to run it,how many 3 and outs do you need before you decide to try something different,just pathetic
and what happenned to the fucking shotgun? Eli stuffed it down our throats out of the shotgun,Romo,Brady,Palmer,Manning,all operate out of the shotgun with great success,we didnt use it till like the last 3 passing plays of the game,Gibbs suppossedly has never liked it and I dont understand it

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[quote=Gmanc711;356279]Well guess what guys...if the players had the chance to execute whatever, than they would pay someone like me ten bucks a hour to go out there and coach the skins, not pay someone five million dollars a year....

You can play the "coaches can do no wrong" card all you want, but there is a reason they are getting paid out the ass and thats becuase some coaches can be the difference between winning and losing football games....if it was as simple as guys executing plays, than no coaches would ever get fired and whoever was on the feild would be the only ones whos jobs are on the line....I just hate the fact that we cant question this horseshit somtimes.[/quote]Uh, no? I can't really counter-argument your post because there obviously is no correlation between the way Dan Snyder perceives the NFL, and the way games are actually won and lost. This much is obvious so far.

So to say that he thinks he is making his team a lot better by paying Al Saunders a lot of money is probably accurate, but if we had you calling the plays instead I think you'd do just fine. I believe you'd agree with me since you are so critical of the playcalling.

But yeah, I wouldn't make an argument relying on Dan Snyder's understanding of the game of football...

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;355923]Run Run, Pass....Run Run, Pass .... Run Run , Pass .....Run Run, Pass, Fumble, Giants TD.....


Weather its Joe or Al...whoever claled this game should be fired[/QUOTE]

1. "Fumble" is obviously not a play call

2. Why would you start a thread called "Great Playcalling, Joe" and then say that you don't really know who call the game?

3. Run, Pass, Run, Run, Pass, Run, Pass, Run got us the game-clinching TD last week. You have to have a balanced offense to win in the NFL. Look at the Patriots. They have a very balanced offense

(it's kind of funny how last week people were all "Wow what a genius Al Saunders is" this week with a very, very, very similar gameplan it's all "Old Man Gibbs needs to be fired)

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[QUOTE=Daseal;356282]Yeah, the reason Spurrier didn't work out is because the players didn't execute, but I didn't see everyone riding to his rescue.[/QUOTE]

Wow, it must be a bad loss when the Ol' Ball Coach makes an appearance!

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obviously im furious w/ the 2nd half defense, no portis on the final series, and the the lack of the killer instinct (capitalizing on the turnovers).

if someone told you we'd be 2-1 you's have to admit you take it.

the one thing i hope the coaches realize is that they can still be aggressive on offense with a lead.

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[quote=SmootSmack;356354]1. [B][I]"Fumble" is obviously not a play call[/I][/B]

2. Why would you start a thread called "Great Playcalling, Joe" and then say that you don't really know who call the game?

3. Run, Pass, Run, Run, Pass, Run, Pass, Run got us the game-clinching TD last week. You have to have a balanced offense to win in the NFL. Look at the Patriots. They have a very balanced offense

(it's kind of funny how last week people were all "Wow what a genius Al Saunders is" this week with a very, very, very similar gameplan it's all "Old Man Gibbs needs to be fired)[/quote]


you must not have seen king of the hill tonight.

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people here thought that we would be 2-1, they just thought the loss would be against the eagles not the giants.

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Is throwing more than you run with the lead not being aggressive?

Someone help me out here. I don't understand what the Warpath Collective wants when they say "aggressive".

And I'm getting pretty sure that you all don't know either.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;356360]people here thought that we would be 2-1, they just thought the loss would be against the eagles not the giants.[/quote]Aren't the Eagles better?

I'll take it for sure.

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[quote=GTripp0012;356363]Aren't the Eagles better?

I'll take it for sure.[/quote]


I am over it I said what I had to say and it is ovr for me now.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;356364]I am over it I said what I had to say and it is ovr for me now.[/quote]Oh yeah.

When Burress scored I was really dejected, but by the end of the game, I was encouraged that we went out as we did. Doesn't make up for the loss, but we didn't lay down after giving up the lead and that was comforting.

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Another close one as expected. Great first half, flat in the second half, had a chance to tie at the end and failed to do so.

Lets not lose focus we have a QB that started less than 10 games in this league! We are 2-1 not bad, MOVE ON! Detroit after the bye this game is in the books. THE END.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;356371][B]Another close one as expected.[/B] Great first half, flat in the second half, had a chance to tie at the end and failed to do so.

Lets not lose focus we have a QB that started less than 10 games in this league! We are 2-1 not bad, MOVE ON! Detroit after the bye this game is in the books. THE END.[/quote]This is the only thing we as fans need to take away from this game.

The Giants beat us. It was incredibly close.

Moving on now...

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[quote=GTripp0012;356367]Oh yeah.

When Burress scored I was really dejected, but by the end of the game, I was encouraged that we went out as we did. Doesn't make up for the loss, but we didn't lay down after giving up the lead and that was comforting.[/quote]

Well honestly if this team had given up after allowing the Giants to get ahead by one friggin touchdown I'd be a lot more pissed than I was before. I'm over it now, I needed a few hours to cool off but it's done with and it's in the past now. Now we just need to work on fixing mistakes and doing things better so we can have a good game against the Lions two weeks from now.

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Horrible playcalling really throughout the game. To not be able to score more than 17pts at home against the league's worst defense is just not going to cut it. I could go on and on but it's just bad. I see a trend here 16 pts, 20pts, 17pts, ...we're not going anywhere this year by "trying to keep it close."

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[quote=Skins fan 44;356051]Why does Sellers not get the ball once? And What is Portis doing on the sidelines at the end?[/quote]

Sells got the first look (on a toss) and he dropped the ball...
I'm not sure portis makes a difference there...giant d-line had great penetration...not surprising given that probably everyone knew we'd run left. poor, poor scene.

Like everyone else, i wish we took more shots against a Giant D that gave up 80 points in the first 2 games...and like everyone else, i believe we were too conservative on O, our D was too generous in yards given up...bottom line we lost and we shouldn't have...

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[quote=Mattyk72;356088]Tough for me to blame the defense when the offense kept going 3 and out and giving them no rest.[/quote]

Bingo. In my mind, the game-changing play was Clinton's fumble on 2nd down after the obviously tired defense had just forced a stop. That broke the defense's back and derailed any chance of the offense putting it together.

Everyone wants to pile on Joe for the playcalling, but let me ask a question: does anyone know where our receivers are? Seriously, other than ARE, I have not seen anybody really making huge catches this season. Santana seems like he's running at half speed with all the groin injuries. Cooley's been the invisible man other than last week's prayer in the corner of the endzone. Hell, I think Yoder has made as many big grabs as Cooley.

So playcalling? I don't know, Jason threw several deep balls on first down, late in the game that I felt were good calls. But our receivers were blanked by a pretty lousy secondary.

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So playcalling? I don't know, Jason threw several deep balls on first down, late in the game that I felt were good calls. But our receivers were blanked by a pretty lousy secondary.[/quote]

agreed with you that cooley seems to be surprisingly quiet...concerning

but as for play calling, i don't think people are taking issue with the calls late in the 4th quarter (When we were behind)- as much as they are annoyed with plays called in the previous drives...all game...

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this is why it's hard to be a skins fan. same shit, different year. the giants are god awful, and we made a pathetic team look better than us. the goal line play-calling was ridiculous and the whole 2nd half for that matter. Now we have 2 weeks for our team to stew over this loss and focus on the negative. This could be a huge blow to our fragile team who was finally starting to gain some confidence. And all new yorkers can hit 95 North and go the fuck home.

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I think Campbell played well enough for us to win. It's simple...someone needed to step up and make a play when the game was slipping away...it didnt happen. The GIANTS wanted the game more

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;356028]First off let's give some credit to the Giants, they pulled it together today and probably saved their season.

We just couldn't get in any sort of rhythm offensively. Not sure if it was due to the play calling or a lack of execution. It was probably a combo of both, along with the Giants just stepping it up.[/QUOTE]

Yea, they stepped up only cuz we stepped back!!

That old mentality from when Gibbs was winning superbowls WILL NOT work in this league now!

You can not lay around and hope the clock runs out while you have the lead, and then expect the other team not to try and take over.

We lack that killer instinct that is necessary to put teams away in the league!

17-3 at the half, then we need to go for blood! Put em away and CRUSH them! FCuk this conservative, prehistoric, & obsolete playcalling mentality!

GIBBS we all know its you!!! Let big Al take over, or we will be back to the reason why you went out and got him in the first place - cuz the game has passed you by!

Just being real, while I am pissed!

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[quote=killromo;356541]this is why it's hard to be a skins fan. same shit, different year. the giants are god awful, and we made a pathetic team look better than us. the goal line play-calling was ridiculous and the whole 2nd half for that matter. Now we have 2 weeks for our team to stew over this loss and focus on the negative. This could be a huge blow to our fragile team who was finally starting to gain some confidence. And all new yorkers can hit 95 North and go the fuck home.[/quote]

Great post. This game leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To allow a team to comeback from a 14 point deficit at half time is horrible. It's even worse when it's your division rival that has done this to you before. That pathetic goal line play sequence is going over and over in my head just like the Groundhog Day movie. I gonna get sick! URHH!!!!

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moss is really starting to piss me off with his drops

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[quote=The Zimmermans;356546]I think Campbell played well enough for us to win. It's simple...someone needed to step up and make a play when the game was slipping away...it didnt happen. The GIANTS wanted the game more[/quote]

TOTALLY agree!
We have NO Killer instinct!!!
To put an opponent down, and keep him down

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Someone give me examples of teams with "killer instincts" with two score leads

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;356559]Someone give me examples of teams with "killer instincts" with two score leads[/QUOTE]

The deep ball to Randy Moss from Tom Brady yesterday

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[quote=SmootSmack;356559]Someone give me examples of teams with "killer instincts" with two score leads[/quote]

Watch the Patriots.

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Trouble is we couldn't sustain anything long enough in order to take some deep shots.

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Gibbs said in his post game conference that he was the one who was calling the plays towards the end, aka when No TD nosed betts was in the game for our last drive instead of portis. What the hell is that, hasn't betts only had like 6 tds wit us for his whole career? I'm sorry but thats just not gonna cut it. We pay 70 mil for a back to get us points and he's not in when we need it the most.... Gibbs really fucked this one up and he knows it

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;356568]Trouble is we couldn't sustain anything long enough in order to take some deep shots.[/QUOTE]

Actually I was bothered by some of the deeper throws Campbell was taking. He did take some shots, but I don't know why everything had to be like 40+ yards. I wanted more shots over the middle for like 15 yards. Those throws were working a whole lot yesterday. The Giants D was stepping up and shutting down the run. The Skins shouldn't have abandoned it, but they needed to get away from it. I just don't like the way that game went down the stretch. Playcalling or anything else.

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[quote=Mattyk72;356568]Trouble is we couldn't sustain anything long enough in order to take some deep shots.[/quote]

Let me ask you this. How come we are only in shotgun on 3rd and long? Why not try running a 3rd and long offense on 1st down to try and get bigger pass plays? It's not as tough to get big pass plays on 1st down then on 3rd down. Why don't we ever line up in shotgun in 1st down???? I'm not say we have to throw it. Hell we can run it. But it just gives the defense something else to think about. These are things that I can see from my TV. It just makes us easier to defend being so damn predictable.

Personally that jumbo crap on the goaline with no timeouts was just terrible. I knew we were going to run the left side. Everyone knew we were going to that side and that's why we got stuffed. That was also on the coaches.

Spiking the ball with 51 seconds on 1st down on the 2 yard line is simply unacceptable and it was piss poor coaching and that's on Joe Gibbs. This clock management bullshit has been going on for three years. Fix it or retire. You don't see teams with good offensive coaching going through stupid things like this. With as much $ as these guys make this should never ever happen and if I were Snyder I would be livid!

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[quote=dall-assblows;356552]moss is really starting to piss me off with his drops[/quote]

Single biggest concern on the offense right now is Santana Moss. He is not the same guy he was in '05 and to a lesser degree, parts of last year. If defenses are not scared of him, which they are not right now, we're a running team.

Cooley being invisible is the next biggest problem, IMO. We've upgraded at QB in many ways, but comically now our receivers (other than ARE) are regressing.

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[quote=jdlea;356579]Actually I was bothered by some of the deeper throws Campbell was taking. He did take some shots, but I don't know why everything had to be like 40+ yards. I wanted more shots over the middle for like 15 yards. Those throws were working a whole lot yesterday. The Giants D was stepping up and shutting down the run. The Skins shouldn't have abandoned it, but they needed to get away from it. I just don't like the way that game went down the stretch. Playcalling or anything else.[/quote]

I gotta disagree with you here -- Jason's arm is one of his many gifts, and I think we both know that if he'd been out there throwing dink-and-dunk (like we've seen for the past how many years??), we'd all be bitching about how we don't ever throw down the field.

We are supposed to have receivers who can stretch the field and catch those kinds of passes. Now, Jason's accuracy hasn't been pinpoint, but I do think that he's thrown some catchable deep balls, that Santana Moss '05 would definitely have caught, for one, and maybe even Brandon Lloyd '05 would have gone up and grabbed.

Think about how many drops we've seen on those deep balls in the past 3 weeks that would have been absolute back-breakers and momentum changers... those things force defensive coordinators to change their schemes. Those things convince Joe it's safe to mix it up instead of relying on the Super Bowl Security Blanket (conservative playcalling).

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And, more to the point, Eli was throwing a lot of junk Burress' way when he was covered reasonably well, and he was going up and getting those balls. Jason was not getting the same help from his receivers (again, ARE excepted).

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[quote=skinsfan69;356565]Watch the Patriots.[/quote]The Patriots are better than we are offensively. By a lot.

If the concept of killer instinct is actually just referring to a team being really good week in and week out for 60 mins on every play...then this team definately lacks that.

Because for that, we would need to upgrade about 6 offensive positions to reach the Pats level of offensive efficiency (which means 6 more high priced free agents). Has nothing to do with the playcalling.

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Or it is just that coaches are more comfortable with Brady going deep and making throws with a lead than we are with Campbell.

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[quote=GTripp0012;356644]The Patriots are better than we are offensively. By a lot.

If the concept of killer instinct is actually just referring to a team being really good week in and week out for 60 mins on every play...then this team definately lacks that.

Because for that, we would need to upgrade about 6 offensive positions to reach the Pats level of offensive efficiency (which means 6 more high priced free agents). Has nothing to do with the playcalling.[/quote]

No queston they are better. But they are better coached too. Sorry but it's just something I see in the game planning and play calling.

Forget about them this year. Look at their wr's last year?? Caldwell, Gaffney and Chad (total bust) Jackson. They were still a top offense that almost got to the SB with those WR's.

I brought this up in another thread. How come we never are in the shotgun on 1st down? How come we don't run 3rd down offense on 1st down? That is the best time to make big plays. On first down, not 3rd and long. I could go on and on......

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;356648]Or it is just that coaches are more comfortable with Brady going deep and making throws with a lead than we are with Campbell.[/quote]

C'mon Quake. If Derek Anderson can throw for 5 td's one week than so can JC. What can JC do well right now? Throw it deep.

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A tough game to watch at the end...Raubach had some penalties that could have cost them the game..watching the team rally together and get it down to the one and end up losing is a tough pill to swallow..I like our match-up against detroit though.. they have no running game and our secondary should hold them in check soon this loss will be behind us...