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[QUOTE=irish;364510]You are correct, Gibbs didnt do any of those things. Maybe they need to coach the players better on technique. The bigger problem is Gibbs and the coaching staff dont seem to put the O in positions where they can succeed. Gibbs cant control if JC throws a short pass to Betts missing a 1st down by a yard but he can call a play for a young Qb where the 2 yard pass is not the first read (and blow a TO to call it).[/QUOTE]

Dude, I have read some of your posts and you have no clue what you're talking about. Coaches have had 1% to do with both losses if that. Its all on the players and execution.......add in injuries if you want but that's just another excuse. Moss does not drop two passes and fumble we win by 14 yesterday. You want Gibbs out so bad and its obvious in your attitude after every loss. You don't seem have anything to say after a 34-3 home win though.

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[quote=Mattyk72;364592]Campbell rushed his read on that 4th down, he had McCardell wide freaking open but he just rushed and dumped it to Betts. I'll chalk that up to his inexperience and not anything to do with bad coaching.[/quote]

would you have disagreed with a sellers rush directly behind kendell?

I would have been very satisfied with that regardless of the outcome

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;364592]Campbell rushed his read on that 4th down, he had McCardell wide freaking open but he just rushed and dumped it to Betts. I'll chalk that up to his inexperience and not anything to do with bad coaching.[/QUOTE]

**EDIT** I Thought you were talking about the games final play, not the 4th and 1.**

As far as the clock managment, I no way did that reflect yesterdays outcome...but thats still something I am getting tired of seeing from the Skins'. I wont even put it on the coaches, I will put this on the COaches, the Players, The Waterboys...anyone on that sideline who watches the game of football. If they want, I'll be their clock managment guy on Sundays for 10 bucks an hour...Its more common sense than anything, especially at the end of the game. I have no complaints with the coaching staff yesterday, but I just have a feeling this could be something that comes back to hurt us in the future, and has in the past....

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[quote=warriorzpath;364415]This thread is pathetic. They made mistakes that they need to work. The offense is pretty good in my opinion. Campbell is the best qb that the redskins have had in a long ass time- since Brad Johnson. He made some mistakes that need to be corrected, but I okay with that because it seemed that he corrected some things from the giants game. The concern for me is the health of the offensive line and gibbs having the team prepared in critical situations. I am pro-gibbs, but at times he just doesn't seem to have thought through game situations. Like under 2:39 left in the game with 1 timeout. Call the timeout before or after the 2 minute warning ? And here's another - 4th and a long 1, should there be a call ready just for this situation ? or if a timeout is needed, should he challenge the spot of the ball - since you are calling a timeout anyways. The worse thing that would happen would be the ball being placed back. Best case: the ball being moved forward, which if i'm not mistaken would save a timeout. Another thing that they could have done was ask to bring out the chains for a measure. That would have given them enough time to think things through (and you can then challenge).[/quote]


Some one please tell me why on 4th and one we have to call a timeout and have a "committee meeting" on the sideline to call a play. If I am Joe Gibbs, I am saying, everyone shutup, I have my Bust in the HOF, we are running Sellers, all 286 pounds of him right up the middle. Why do we call a timeout and why do we run a flare pattern or whatever that call was to Betts? I am so tired of our clock management issues and the wrong play being called late in the game. I am ready for Greg Williams to become our head coach and Al Saunders to remain as our OC. Joe continues to do dumb things late in the game with the clock and timeouts. I don't know if he can't think fast enough anymore or what it is, but coaches like Beliceck and Jeff Fisher and Bill Cohwer are so much better managing the clock and the time. Joe has become clueless as to how to do this? Even Aikman mentioned it yesterday.

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[quote=jsarno;364470]It wouldn't have...9 seconds would have been all we got, and we had a turnover on downs to end the game, so it's not like the 9 seconds would have mattered at all.[/quote]

It's really not about the 9 seconds per se; it's about being prepared for situations like this. Planning ahead - what are going to do if we were put in this situation or that situation. It just doesn't look like gibbs and company have thought about situations beforehand. 4th and 1, it looks like we get a bad spot, late in the 4th qtr, down by 3. What do you do?
Under 2:39 left in the game, 1 timeout left. When do you call the timeout ?

These things need to be hashed through now, before, after the game - instead of during the game when you have 5 seconds to make a decision.

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Would everyone please stop whining. Man, your team lost 2 games, only one behind Dallas in the loss column. Your team lost to 2 winning teams with the combined record of 7-3 (maybe 8-3 after tonight) and all I see is a bunch of posts about how pathetic the offense is. You guys are too spoiled, imagine being a Saints, Dolphins, or Rams fans.

One thing I have noticed, the ones who whine alot are the ones with posts less than 200 or so. It is mostly guys who just joined and know little about football and think the season is over.

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[quote=TheBigD;364660]Would everyone please stop whining. Man, your team lost 2 games, only one behind Dallas in the loss column. Your team lost to 2 winning teams with the combined record of 7-3 (maybe 8-3 after tonight) and all I see is a bunch of posts about how pathetic the offense is. You guys are too spoiled, imagine being a Saints, Dolphins, or Rams fans.[/quote]

The knee jerk whining and "end of the world" talk is a bit out of line, but a lot of us have a legitimate beef. It's not so much that Washington has lost two games; it's the manner of the losses. The two losses were both games that should have been wins, and were basically given away. A few more first downs in the second half of the Giants game, and that a W. A few more catches yesterday, or one less fumble and that's a W.

And talk about spoiled... your quarterback did everything humanly possible to lose last Monday night, and since Buffalo can't be like the other 83% of the league and recover an onsides kick, the Cowboys eeked out an undeserved victory.

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[quote=TheBigD;364660]Would everyone please stop whining. Man, your team lost 2 games, only one behind Dallas in the loss column. Your team lost to 2 winning teams with the combined record of 7-3 (maybe 8-3 after tonight) and all I see is a bunch of posts about how pathetic the offense is. You guys are too spoiled, imagine being a Saints, Dolphins, or Rams fans.

One thing I have noticed, the ones who whine alot are the ones with posts less than 200 or so. It is mostly guys who just joined and know little about football and think the season is over.[/quote]

I personally can appreciate what the redskins have accomplished this season after going through last season. 2006 was a shitty year all the way around for the redskins - offense, defense, st, coaching, personnel decisions(that impacted the 2006 season).

What I want is to have the redskins get to the next level and stay there. And the only way to do this is - keep doing the things that work really well and keep correcting mistakes. The redskins are very close.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;363998]I don't know anything else to say. Speechless. Our defense is too good for this.[/quote]

And this from the same guy that stated:

[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;356786] We are a unique team with soooo much offensive firepower. I mean we have a strong-armed quarterback, fast running back, fast and quick receivers, and a sure-handed tightend. The offensive line is not as strong as years past. The line is turning into a more versatile and agile line with the additions of Kendall and DeMulling. They are better at getting to the perimeter than smash mouth. The identity of this offense has changed. We are now the identity of the Kansas City Chiefs offense but with better athletes even though they had a better o-line. Did I analyzed this correctly?[/quote]

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[quote=sandtrapjack;364675]And this from the same guy that stated:[/quote]
We got ourselves a John Kerry right here.

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This hating is crazy. It was a hard fought game.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;364592]Campbell rushed his read on that 4th down, he had McCardell wide freaking open but he just rushed and dumped it to Betts. I'll chalk that up to his inexperience and not anything to do with bad coaching.[/QUOTE]

He did rush his read because he is inexperienced and the coaches know he is inexperienced. Why not (after burning a timeout to think about what to do) call a play with a primary read that is past the 1st down marker? The coaches should have expected him to rush the read andif he did the team would have a 1st down and if he didnt they might have more than that.

I still think there are too many offensive cooks in the kitchen. The team either need to let Gibbs call the plays or Saunders call the plays but both is not working well.

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[quote=irish;364685]He did rush his read because he is inexperienced and the coaches know he is inexperienced. Why not (after burning a timeout to think about what to do) call a play with a primary read that is past the 1st down marker? The coaches should have expected him to rush the read andif he did the team would have a 1st down and if he didnt they might have more than that.

I still think there are too many offensive cooks in the kitchen. The team either need to let Gibbs call the plays or Saunders call the plays but both is not working well.[/quote]

How do you know Betts was the first read?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;364686]How do you know Betts was the first read?[/QUOTE]

Aikman said he was.

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[quote=irish;364688]Aikman said he was.[/quote]

I don't like Aikman as one of the broadcasters/commentators in the booth for the redskins games. He just pretends to be unbaised, but if you notice - he will discretely say negative comments and critize the redskins (especially critical with Campbell's decisions), but say only good things about the opposition.

Campbell made the wrong read, he should have waited a split second longer, Smoot is lucky that he wasn't called for the force out - I never heard that before in my life: being lucky for not being called for a force out. Pay attention, it's like he subliminally injects these thoughts into your head. I wanted to put it on mute, but I like to hear the game.

Oh yeah, I like the criticism of Campbell's long passes being too flat. I don't know if I agree with him or not, but I don't want him making me think like a damn cowboy like that. Because that's also the first time I heard something like that too - a pass being too flat.

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i thought our coaching on both sides of the ball was on point. i would have liked to have seen more running plays in the second half but with all the injuries on the O line the coaches had to adjust accordingly i suppose. Gibbs has said "we had a good game plan we just didnt execute it" in past games were the general fan consensus was that the play calling hurt us, not the players.

Well this game to me looked like we had a great gameplan but our players didnt execute. I am not worried, we have a good team and our coaches are starting to click. I just hope the injuries to our O-line do not prove to be too great a handicap the rest of the season.

We cant be the smash-mouth, protect the ball, run the possession clock and get big play action pass play team we are built for if we dont have our hogs (samuels, thomas, rabach, jansen, and kendall) out there. idk, im still tryin to digest this all but i see true progress from the coaches compared to years past.

go skins!!!!

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath;364690]I don't like Aikman as one of the broadcasters/commentators in the booth for the redskins games. He just pretends to be unbaised, but if you notice - he will discretely say negative comments and critize the redskins (especially critical with Campbell's decisions), but say only good things about the opposition.

Campbell made the wrong read, he should have waited a split second longer, Smoot is lucky that he wasn't called for the force out - I never heard that before in my life: being lucky for not being called for a force out. Pay attention, it's like he subliminally injects these thoughts into your head. I wanted to put it on mute, but I like to hear the game.

Oh yeah, I like the criticism of Campbell's long passes being too flat. I don't know if it's true yet or not, but I don't want him making me think like a damn cowboy like that. Because that's also the first time I heard something like that too - a pass being too flat.[/QUOTE]

Smoot never looked at the ball he just stuck his hands up in the receivers face. Thats illegal and thats what he was talking about.

JC does not get to pick his reads, he starts at 1 if he's open he gets the ball, if not he goes to 2 and so on. The primary read was open and he gave him the ball. He made the correct read according to the play.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;363998]I don't know anything else to say. Speechless. Our defense is too good for this.[/QUOTE]

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You and the rest of the defense played great. The wideouts need to remember the fundamentals. Any one of those drops could have changed the outcome of the game. I think things will get better ..one bad game doesn't turn a good player into a bad one. JC put up a great effort with little help. I just wonder where the intensity is in the receivers. Looking at them during the game, they didn't seem very amped up.
Keep doing what you're doing. We love you guys. You are the best.
Sean M. Naples, FL

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[quote=irish;364695]Smoot never looked at the ball he just stuck his hands up in the receivers face. Thats illegal and thats what he was talking about.

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Smoot didn't and shouldn't have been penalized on that play. That play was legal - I never saw his hands in his facemask or anything like that. If you are saying that he was blocking his vision of the pass/ball without touching the receiver - that is perfectly legal.

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[quote=irish;364688]Aikman said he was.[/quote]

Well if he was perhaps it was Betts fault for not getting deep enough on his route.

Either way I don't think we have conclusive enough evidence to say it was a coaching blunder. Not when there was a wide open guy that JC flat out didn't see. The play was there, the execution was not.

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[quote=warriorzpath;364690]I don't like Aikman as one of the broadcasters/commentators in the booth for the redskins games. He just pretends to be unbaised, but if you notice - he will discretely say negative comments and critize the redskins (especially critical with Campbell's decisions), but say only good things about the opposition.

Campbell made the wrong read, he should have waited a split second longer, Smoot is lucky that he wasn't called for the force out - I never heard that before in my life: being lucky for not being called for a force out. Pay attention, it's like he subliminally injects these thoughts into your head. I wanted to put it on mute, but I like to hear the game.

Oh yeah, I like the criticism of Campbell's long passes being too flat. I don't know if I agree with him or not, but I don't want him making me think like a damn cowboy like that. Because that's also the first time I heard something like that too - a pass being too flat.[/quote]

I guess if you want to spin it that way, but I don't buy it personally.

Aikman is pretty fair and balanced with all the games he does. I've heard him say plenty of positive things in regard to the Redskins. It all depends on what you choose to hear.

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[quote=Mattyk72;364701]I guess if you want to spin it that way, but I don't buy it personally.

Aikman is pretty fair and balanced with all the games he does. I've heard him say plenty of positive things in regard to the Redskins. It all depends on what you choose to hear.[/quote]

I agree. For my money, Aikman and Buck are as good as it gets, and that includes Madden and Michaels. The only reason they had Albert and not Buck yesterday is b/c Buck did the ALCS on Fox Saturday night.

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath;364698]Smoot didn't and shouldn't have been penalized on that play. That play was legal - I never say his hands in his facemask or anything like that. If you are saying that he was blocking his vision of the pass/ball without touching the receiver - that is perfectly legal.[/QUOTE]

No its not. Its called face guarding and its illegal.

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[quote=Mattyk72;364701]I guess if you want to spin it that way, but I don't buy it personally.

Aikman is pretty fair and balanced with all the games he does. I've heard him say plenty of positive things in regard to the Redskins. It all depends on what you choose to hear.[/quote]

That's what I thought until I listened closely. I just don't remember him saying something positive about the redskins without also saying something negative.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;363998]I don't know anything else to say. Speechless. Our defense is too good for this.[/QUOTE]

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You and the rest of the defense played great. The wideouts need to remember the fundamentals. Any one of those drops could have changed the outcome of the game. I think things will get better ..one bad game doesn't turn a good player into a bad one. JC put up a great effort with little help. I just wonder where the intensity is in the receivers. Looking at them during the game, they didn't seem very amped up.
Keep doing what you're doing. We love you guys. You are the best.
Sean M. Naples, FL

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;364699]Well if he was perhaps it was Betts fault for not getting deep enough on his route.

Either way I don't think we have conclusive enough evidence to say it was a coaching blunder. Not when there was a wide open guy that JC flat out didn't see. The play was there, the execution was not.[/QUOTE]

Maybe Betts didnt get deep enough, good point. My point is Betts was the 1st look, if he's open he gets the ball. He was so he did. JC executed the play correctly.

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[quote=irish;364703]No its not. Its called face guarding and its illegal.[/quote]

If I'm not mistaken, face guarding is no longer a penalty under nfl rules.

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[url=http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/askthereferee/cs-061212askjerrymarkbreit,1,2292725.story?coll=cs-bears-asktheref-headlines]Ask Jerry Markbreit on ChicagoSports.com[/url]

[Quote]Can you call pass interference on a defender if he is turned toward the wide receiver, not looking at the ball, waves his arms, but doesn't touch the wide receiver at all? Say the ball is in the air and hits the defender in the arm because he deflects the pass. Again, he doesn't touch the WR, but isn't looking at the ball either. --Dawn Polomsky, Phoenix, Ariz.

Many years ago, there was a penalty on pass plays for "face guarding." What you describe is face guarding. There is no penalty under current NFL rules for this act, unless there is physical contact. If the ball hits the defender, as you describe, the play would be legal. It is dangerous for a defender to turn his back on the direction that the ball is coming from. If he contacts the intended receiver, it would be pass interference because the defender is not playing the ball. You seldom see what you describe, but it would not be a foul.[/QUOTE]

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yeah, it's only a rule in college now I believe. Stupid cause it's a 100% judgement penalty. Plus...who cares about that play, it didn't affect the game in the end.

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[QUOTE=irish;364287]The coaching staff is killing this team. They mismanage the clock, take a timeout and then call a 2 yd pass play when they need 3 for the 1st down.

There is a lot of talent on this team but the coaches stink.[/QUOTE]


UR CLUELESS!

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath;364711]If I'm not mistaken, face guarding is no longer a penalty under nfl rules.[/QUOTE]

I had no idea the rule had been changed. Thanks to you & Smoot for setting me straight.

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[quote=warriorzpath;364704]That's what I thought until I listened closely. I just don't remember him saying something positive about the redskins without also saying something negative.[/quote]

Dude, he is like that even with the Cowboys. You should have seen the number of threads they have on Cowboys forums about how scared Aikman is of saying something nice about the Cowboys and how he praised McNabb in one of his games.

As fans, not excluding myself, we tend to hear what we want to hear. The first half, there were many compliments about JC and how good he is with his decision making after he scored that run TD. He defended him when Woodson some how came up with that "interception" and said it was Moss's fault.

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[quote=TheBigD;364726]Dude, he is like that even with the Cowboys. You should have seen the number of threads they have on Cowboys forums about how scared Aikman is of saying something nice about the Cowboys and how he praised McNabb in one of his games.

As fans, not excluding myself, we tend to hear what we want to hear. The first half, there were many compliments about JC and how good he is with his decision making after he scored that run TD. He defended him when Woodson some how came up with that "interception" and said it was Moss's fault.[/quote]

I only remember Woodson intercepting 1 ball and sharing the catch with Randle-El. If anyone made a mistake on that play, and it could have gone either way - it was the refs for not calling it a catch for Randle-El.

Plus like I said, even if what you are saying is true - he doesn't say too many good things about the redskins without saying something bad (to sort of negate it).

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aikman is a good commentator...better than theisman....too bad I have to credit a cowboy

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[quote=TheBigD;364726]
As fans, not excluding myself, we tend to hear what we want to hear. [/quote]

If that's the case, I would only hear good things about the redskins. Instead of debating on putting it on mute.

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[quote=warriorzpath;364732]I only remember Woodson intercepting 1 ball and sharing the catch with Randle-El. If anyone made a mistake on that play, and it could have gone either way - it was the refs for not calling it a catch for Randle-El.

Plus like I said, even if what you are saying is true - he doesn't say too many good things about the redskins without saying something bad (to sort of negate it).[/quote]

Maybe because since Aikman starting workin the booth the Redskins have pretty much sucked every year??? We've stunk out loud for the most part since 1991. Should he just make up nice things to say? You think Aikman would have been "negating" his positive comments if he was calling the Detroit game last week? I doubt it. He repeatedly complimented our defense yesterday. I offense didn't deserve any credit, and he didn't give us any. Fine by me.

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[quote=GMScud;364746]Maybe because since Aikman starting workin the booth the Redskins have pretty much sucked every year??? We've stunk out loud for the most part since 1991. Should he just make up nice things to say? You think Aikman would have been "negating" his positive comments if he was calling the Detroit game last week? I doubt it. He repeatedly complimented our defense yesterday. I offense didn't deserve any credit, and he didn't give us any. Fine by me.[/quote]

I see your point, I just do not like the idea of listening to a ex-great Cowboys qb commenting on an entire redskins game. There has to be some bais in there, it's only instinctive.

And I do not want his cowboys bais affecting what I think of the redskins - no matter how controlled they seem to be.

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Can we get some receivers that can catch? What will we do next year if Santana doesn't get his hands back, McCardell retires, and B Lloyd is on the short bus out of here?

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[quote=warriorzpath;364732]I only remember Woodson intercepting 1 ball and sharing the catch with Randle-El. If anyone made a mistake on that play, and it could have gone either way - it was the refs for not calling it a catch for Randle-El. [/quote]No, it was Moss's fault. If you touch it you must catch it. Moss deflected up in the air, woodson and ARE came down with it, and for some weird reason the refs gave GB the ball.

[QUOTE]
Plus like I said, even if what you are saying is true - he doesn't say too many good things about the redskins without saying something bad (to sort of negate it).
[/QUOTE]Like I said, he said many negative things about the Cowboys as well, he trys not show any lean toward any team. They try not say too many good or bad things about either team. Remeber, Packers as well as Redskins fans watch the game. Fox doesn't want to lose either fan-base and I am sure they strict commentators on how much they can praise or critisize a team. I am talking in general here, not just Aikman.

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This is the REAL Redskins team we all missed seeing! What a bunch of CLOWNS! I dont know about anyone else, but Im sick of having FALSE HOPE!!! I think it's time to start watching golf on Sundays. P.S. I hate watching golf!!!