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[quote=firstdown;368562]First this would be the biggest program that the goverment ever took over and taxes would go up atleast as much is now being spent on health ins now. Then the next year taxes would go up some more because its not enough then more & more & more. 50% tax rates for anyone making over 45,000.[/quote]

Welcome to the United Socialist States of Europe if this happens.

The government would take all of our money and we'd be WORSE off health-wise than before they began emptying our pockets for "healthcare".

Allowing the government to run this would be a disaster.

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[quote=Buster;369138]Welcome to the United Socialist States of Europe if this happens.

The government would take all of our money and we'd be WORSE off health-wise than before they began emptying our pockets for "healthcare".

Allowing the government to run this would be a disaster.[/quote]
100% correct and it seems that the people who complain the most about how goverment runs push this the most. Don't make much sense and when you ask them to point out any federal gov. programe that is working and is efficent they never have an answer.

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I take this like people wanting the government to pay for all higher up education, a little rediculous. Health care is not the save all, there is no way to make the system perfect. The best way to do it is to make enough money to afford a health care or make a government health care for poorer families, not somethin we all have to buy into. More taxes wont make anyone happy.

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you guys make me laugh. i guess if you are poor, you aren't allowed to watch T.V.? what exactly does it mean if someone has a satellite dish? if they had cable, would you feel the same way? in alot of places, direct T.V. is cheaper then comcast, so maybe its a cheaper alternative, so they can still watch. when i lived under the poverty line, the one luxury we afforded ourselves was a nicer T.V. does that make me a bad person. while the haves enjoy nicer clothes, vacations, and generally better educations, according to you guys, the have nots need to give up anything extra. just to pay for something like health-care?

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[quote=dmek25;369244]you guys make me laugh. i guess if you are poor, you aren't allowed to watch T.V.? what exactly does it mean if someone has a satellite dish? if they had cable, would you feel the same way? in alot of places, direct T.V. is cheaper then comcast, so maybe its a cheaper alternative, so they can still watch. when i lived under the poverty line, the one luxury we afforded ourselves was a nicer T.V. does that make me a bad person. while the haves enjoy nicer clothes, vacations, and generally better educations, according to you guys, the have nots need to give up anything extra. just to pay for something like health-care?[/quote]

Yes, that's generally how it should work. You should pay for your needs first: shelter, food, water, heat, clothes, and healthcare. If you have any money leftover, then you can spend it on luxury items like sattellite or cable TV. If you don't have any money leftover, then you don't subscribe to cable or sattellite TV. That simple.

That's called living within your means and keeping your priorities straight.

If you get cable or sattellite, and then turn around and go without health insurance, then you're an idiot, and are only contributing to our nation's healthcare problems.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;369086]The number of employees has no bearing on the level of health insurance companies offer their employees. Just look at Wal-Mart who are notorious for shafting their employees when it comes to health plan benefits.[/quote]

I will never argue about Wal Mart...they are the worst at making everything as low cost to themselves as possible to have their products at the lowest prices possible for consumers. They do not take care of their employees.

[quote]Believe me, places that mainly employee low wage workers like McDonald's and Wal-Mart offer quite limited healthcare plans to their employees, and often they have to pay quite a bit for the coverage.[/quote]

Here is a site that talks about the coverage McDonalds employees get. It's very good coverage.
[url=http://www.mcdonalds.com/corp/career/employee_benefits/health_protecton.html]Health and Protection[/url]

Fact still remains, people have the ability to get the insurance, if they choose not to, that's their own fault and should not be my responsibility to take of it for them.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;369265]Yes, that's generally how it should work. You should pay for your needs first: shelter, food, water, heat, clothes, and healthcare. If you have any money leftover, then you can spend it on luxury items like sattellite or cable TV. If you don't have any money leftover, then you don't subscribe to cable or sattellite TV. That simple.

That's called living within your means and keeping your priorities straight.

If you get cable or sattellite, and then turn around and go without health insurance, then you're an idiot, and are only contributing to our nation's healthcare problems.[/QUOTE]

Alright I'm getting scared now. We have been on the same page for a while now.

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people that cannot afford health care live a life of hope. the hope that nothing happens to them or a family member. to a hard working family that just cant make it, to begrudge them something that might be able to give them a little pleasure in an otherwise sucky life is ridiculous

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[quote=dmek25;369296]people that cannot afford health care live a life of hope. the hope that nothing happens to them or a family member. to a hard working family that just cant make it, to begrudge them something that might be able to give them a little pleasure in an otherwise sucky life is ridiculous[/quote]


To say you cant live without TV is rediculous

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[QUOTE=dmek25;369296]people that cannot afford health care live a life of hope. the hope that nothing happens to them or a family member. to a hard working family that just cant make it, to begrudge them something that might be able to give them a little pleasure in an otherwise sucky life is ridiculous[/QUOTE]

You're kidding me right? TV is so important that it trumps healthcare? How about that family that can't afford healthcare SAVING the money so they can get healthcare sooner rather than relying on others to pay up for them for longer.

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I'm just using TV as an example. what if the poor have a nice car? or nice clothes? do you guys think they should suffer without just for health care? whatever happened to scratching each others backs?

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What are the statistics anyway regarding how much of a burden the poor are on our health care? It seems to me the people getting screwed are the ones that have family members who are suffering from terminal diseases or at least conditions that take a long time to treat. What's the % of people living in the ghetto that are suffering from various forms of cancer? Probably the same as middle class America. What's the cost of buying the drugs?

Forget the "Great American TV" debate. That's not the issue. If the cable company charges $65/month for it's services, what healthcare plan can a family buy that costs that little? I mean, you're probably looking at what $250-$400 a month for a family health care plan.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;369296]people that cannot afford health care live a life of hope. the hope that nothing happens to them or a family member. to a hard working family that just cant make it, to begrudge them something that might be able to give them a little pleasure in an otherwise sucky life is ridiculous[/QUOTE]

I think you are confusing "can not" and "will not". If a guy can afford the luxury of $40-$100 for TV per month, he can certainly afford healthcare, and more importantly, SHOULD afford healthcare.

These are basic simple decisions in life:
Do I buy beer, or do I buy my baby formula...FORMULA.
Do I go buy a movie or two, or do I buy diapers...DIAPERS.
Do I buy drugs, or do I buy food for my family...FOOD.
Do I buy DirecTV (or cable), or do I buy healthcare...HEALTHCARE.

If these people need someone like me to spell it out for them, then they really should be put on an island somewhere and disposed of.

These people are taking a gamble and using "I can't afford it" as an excuse. Sure, a lot of people have low incomes, but that means you should live a modest life. This isn't rocket science. Problem is, there are so many people that will tell them everyone else is doing better, therefore those people should help. When in actuality, people should be telling this guy to get an education or work hard to advance or something like that.
You need to ask yourself, how many truely hard workers are making only $5.75 an hour (that's fed. min. wage)? I don't know a single honest hard working person that makes that. The hard workers will move up somewhere and make more money. Even nurses aids (who wipe butt for living) START at around $8-$8.50 or more per hour. The lazy people of the world, and the complainers with their hands out make that, and have no chance of moving up the chain. It's time for everyone to stop blaming others for their mistakes, and stop expecting others to help them out. Take responsibility for their actions.
I knew a guy (I played softball with him) he went from job to job and was into drugs. He felt that he was given the shaft in his life and that people like myself were born with a silver spoon in my mouth (not knowing, or care to know the truth). He was so caught up in his own wrong ideas that he was very lazy and didn't want to work hard to get ahead. One day he took a general labor job at $10/hr that he had to get clean for...If I recall it was helping with paving roads, literally digging ditches. Everyone told him, just try working hard for them and see what happens. The job sucked, but he busted his ass every day, and he's now the supervisor making around 50k a year. This is not uncommon to get this kind of opportunity...it all comes down to the willingness to work hard. I didn't get where I am by being lazy, and neither did the majority of the people on this website. People tell me, "well you have a master's degree to fall back on"...they are right, I do, but I sucked it up and busted my ass to get that degree. I had no money, and hated school, but I gave an all out effort so I could have that degree to fall back on today.
Sure we all fall on bad times, some will see it as a challenge and give a solid effort and others will fold up shop.

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;369325]What are the statistics anyway regarding how much of a burden the poor are on our health care? It seems to me the people getting screwed are the ones that have family members who are suffering from terminal diseases or at least conditions that take a long time to treat. What's the % of people living in the ghetto that are suffering from various forms of cancer? Probably the same as middle class America. What's the cost of buying the drugs?

Forget the "Great American TV" debate. That's not the issue. If the cable company charges $65/month for it's services, what healthcare plan can a family buy that costs that little? I mean, you're probably looking at what $250-$400 a month for a family health care plan.[/QUOTE]

My job has family healthcare at $139 per month for families. Sure it's not $65 for cable, but if you take $65 and subtract it from $139, that's $74. Now where else can a person cut costs? Stop drinking beer, stop smoking or doing dip, some that are into drugs should stop that etc. How about use less electricity? Shut off the TV and go to library and read some books?
How many people can you honestly think of do all those things and work hard for living???
There are always ways to cut costs.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;369320]I'm just using TV as an example. what if the poor have a nice car? or nice clothes? do you guys think they should suffer without just for health care? whatever happened to scratching each others backs?[/QUOTE]

How are they scratching ours? By sucking off us? By not being responsible for their actions? How are they paying society back, or how will they pay society back?
This is simple, if they have a nice car...SELL IT. Get an average car that works and will take you from point A to point B.
A long time ago, I worked for Schwan's (hated that job)...for those that don't know, Schwan's is food company that sells their product door to door. The truck is a giant freezer. I would go to homes that had better cars than me, better homes than me, they dressed VERY well, and they would pay me with food stamps. That irritated the hell out of me.
We as a society do not preach self responsibility. It's a shame.

You question of "should they suffer without just for healthcare?" Well, if they want to gamble and not have healthcare, then that is THEIR GAMBLE. Not mine. No one has the responsibility to help someone else just because they worked harder to get where they are.

Everyone that thinks that you should, good for you. Take everyone that thinks your way, pool all your money together and help them. No one is stopping you. Why insist that others need to take their hard earned money to help those that don't want to help themselves? I don't actually see you developing an organization to help these people...stop pushing your beliefs on us that feel it's their responsibility, not ours. Assuming every democrat thought the way you did, then all of you should get together and pool your extra money. Hell, you should cut back all your expenses too just to pay for those that don't have healthcare. Good luck with that.

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Finally, the intelligent debate on health care you can't get in the liberal media. Indeed, the problem with America's system isn't spiraling costs, it isn't lack of available coverage for the already ill, it isn't limited or no coverage for the poor, IT'S CABLE TV. Why aren't the politicians talking about this? If Joe 6 pack would just sell his truck and cancel cable our health problems would be solved!

And Jsarno, seriously, how are you going to say you have a site arguing how good McD's health coverage is and then post McDonald's own site? Seriously, I swear you are a troll sometimes laughing at my expense.

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let me see. i know a guy that made all the wrong decisions in life, so the people that are really trying to better themselves, but just cant turn the corner, guess what? people like jsarno says screw you. he has everything he needs. so you guys are on your own. i cant believe how selfish some people are. its probably because i started out without, that i know there are people out there that want to succeed, but just cant. it seems like people that start out pampered, are definitely less compassionate for our fellow man

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[quote=jsarno;369285]I will never argue about Wal Mart...they are the worst at making everything as low cost to themselves as possible to have their products at the lowest prices possible for consumers. They do not take care of their employees.



Here is a site that talks about the coverage McDonalds employees get. It's very good coverage.
[URL="http://www.mcdonalds.com/corp/career/employee_benefits/health_protecton.html"]Health and Protection[/URL]

Fact still remains, people have the ability to get the insurance, if they choose not to, that's their own fault and should not be my responsibility to take of it for them.[/quote]

Great source there

:doh:

C'mon dude that's mad weak, you've gotta be joking

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[QUOTE=jsarno;369330]My job has family healthcare at $139 per month for families. Sure it's not $65 for cable, but if you take $65 and subtract it from $139, that's $74. Now where else can a person cut costs? Stop drinking beer, stop smoking or doing dip, some that are into drugs should stop that etc. How about use less electricity? Shut off the TV and go to library and read some books?
How many people can you honestly think of do all those things and work hard for living???
There are always ways to cut costs.[/QUOTE]

The thing is, the issue of affordable health care isn't limited to those who put entertainment before health. Try being diabetic and trying to find affordable health care. Not every business provides a company health care plan, and those who do provide it charge double the amount that yours charges you for family coverage. For instance, family coverage for my place of business is over $300 a pay period.

While I disagree with a government based health care plan, I do believe families should be able to have their choice of affordable private insurance.

And to add, I also believe individuals who are born with diseases such as diabetes or other diseases shouldn't be penalized because of their reliance medication to stay alive.

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[quote=dmek25;369320]I'm just using TV as an example. what if the poor have a nice car? or nice clothes? do you guys think they should suffer without just for health care? whatever happened to scratching each others backs?[/quote]

Whether or not cable TV is to blame for our healthcare situation, and it's obviously not because this discussion was just meant to illustrate a point, your line of thinking is incredibly irresponsible.

I absolutely refuse to give one red cent to anyone who tells me they can't afford health insurance, but can afford cable TV, or a half decent car, or half decent clothes. Why should I scratch that person's back? They're not doing everything they can to help themselves, so why should I help them?

It's not much different from the bum on the street who begs you for a dollar so he can eat lunch, and then turns around and buys booze with it.

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[quote=skinsguy;369376]The thing is, the issue of affordable health care isn't limited to those who put entertainment before health. Try being diabetic and trying to find affordable health care. Not every business provides a company health care plan, and those who do provide it charge double the amount that yours charges you for family coverage. For instance, family coverage for my place of business is over $300 a pay period.

While I disagree with a government based health care plan, I do believe families should be able to have their choice of affordable private insurance.

And to add, I also believe individuals who are born with diseases such as diabetes or other diseases shouldn't be penalized because of their reliance medication to stay alive.[/quote]

This I agree with to a point.

Because my employer is large, has a high number of employees, and is in the healthcare provider business, top-notch coverage is only $90 a paycheck. I'm in a very fortunate situation. I do agree that it's bullshit that somebody who works for a small company has to shell out $300, $500, or $700 a paycheck for the same coverage.

We're buying the same product, why should the price be so different.

So if there's one thing the government can do without harming the quality of care delivered, it's mandate that pricing be consistent for all walks of life. A PPO (great coverage) should cost X for everyone. A HMO (alright coverage) should cost Y for everyone. If you can't afford it, tough. But at least it's priced fairly that way.

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[quote=dmek25;369346]let me see. i know a guy that made all the wrong decisions in life, so the people that are really trying to better themselves, but just cant turn the corner, guess what? people like jsarno says screw you. he has everything he needs. so you guys are on your own. i cant believe how selfish some people are. its probably because i started out without, that i know there are people out there that want to succeed, but just cant. it seems like people that start out pampered, are definitely less compassionate for our fellow man[/quote]

If a person hasn't turned the corner, but has a nice car, or nice clothes, or cable TV, they don't deserve any help.

If they're doing everything they can, then I'm all about helping. Problem is, for every one person you find who is genuinely trying, you find 9 others who have the cable TV, or the nice car, or the nice clothes, and yet still have their hands out.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;369382]This I agree with to a point.

Because my employer is large, has a high number of employees, and is in the healthcare provider business, top-notch coverage is only $90 a paycheck. I'm in a very fortunate situation. I do agree that it's bullshit that somebody who works for a small company has to shell out $300, $500, or $700 a paycheck for the same coverage.

We're buying the same product, why should the price be so different.

So if there's one thing the government can do without harming the quality of care delivered, it's mandate that pricing be consistent for all walks of life. A PPO (great coverage) should cost X for everyone. A HMO (alright coverage) should cost Y for everyone. If you can't afford it, tough. But at least it's priced fairly that way.[/QUOTE]

I think you're seeing it basically the way I do. I realize it takes a lot of money for research in health care in order to find new treatments and cures for diseases that we face today. I realize that money has to come from somewhere. At the same time, all the research and discovers in modern medicine isn't going to do any good if nobody can afford to use it.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;369336]

And Jsarno, seriously, how are you going to say you have a site arguing how good McD's health coverage is and then post McDonald's own site? Seriously, I swear you are a troll sometimes laughing at my expense.[/QUOTE]

The point was to show what McDonalds offers. I was told by Matty that McD. has poor coverage, that link shows they have good coverage. Failing to see your point here.
I never said I had a site that shows how great McD's coverage is, just that because they are a big company they can offer good coverage. I proved my point with the link.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;369395]The point was to show what McDonalds offers. I was told by Matty that McD. has poor coverage, that link shows they have good coverage. Failing to see your point here.
I never said I had a site that shows how great McD's coverage is, just that because they are a big company they can offer good coverage. I proved my point with the link.[/QUOTE]

I think people would have found your link less peculiar if you had just come right out and said "Here is a link to the official McDonald's site, showing the coverage they offer"

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[quote=jsarno;369395]The point was to show what McDonalds offers. I was told by Matty that McD. has poor coverage, that link shows they have good coverage. Failing to see your point here.
I never said I had a site that shows how great McD's coverage is, just that because they are a big company they can offer good coverage. I proved my point with the link.[/quote]

You didn't prove anything. What are the limits on those coverages? What are the co-pays? What does the employee pay out of pocket per pay period for these benefits? Are they available to all employees?

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;369376]The thing is, the issue of affordable health care isn't limited to those who put entertainment before health. Try being diabetic and trying to find affordable health care. Not every business provides a company health care plan, and those who do provide it charge double the amount that yours charges you for family coverage. For instance, family coverage for my place of business is over $300 a pay period.

While I disagree with a government based health care plan, I do believe families should be able to have their choice of affordable private insurance.

And to add, I also believe individuals who are born with diseases such as diabetes or other diseases shouldn't be penalized because of their reliance medication to stay alive.[/QUOTE]

I am assuming a 2 pay period month, meaning you pay over $600 a month???? If that's the case, you need to seek private healthcare for a better quote. You might be able to get it cheaper than your company is providing.

I think the only way to actually fix these issues is to do away with insurances altogether. Have the gov. step in and drop the prices for surgeries etc. If there were companies fighting for our business the prices would be a lot less. There is no one out there to say "$300k for a 5 hour operation...are you kidding?" For some reason it's acceptable. Why should a routine doctor visit cost $150??? All for them to barely touch you, maybe give you a prescription (which costs even more money) and take your money.

Sorry to say, but the way the system is, it is fair for you to pay that much because you use it a whole lot more.
I NEVER go to the doctor, so why should I have to pay extra? I know it sucks for you, it REALLY sucks, but why should someone that is healthy pay the same amount than someone that is not?

I'd like to see a system kind of like property taxes. You have to pay once or twice a year, and you pay according to how much you use. So if you have a lot of prescriptions and you visit the doctor constantly, then you pay more. If not, then you pay nothing or very little.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;369399]You didn't prove anything. What are the limits on those coverages? What are the co-pays? What does the employee pay out of pocket per pay period for these benefits? Are they available to all employees?[/QUOTE]

Well, I doubt we will know the cost unless someone here actually works for them to enlighten us.
However you said:
[i][b]I'd be willing to be the coverage is pretty shitty[/b] and not cheap.[/i]

It's not shitty. Point proven with link. Do I need to spell EVERYTHING out for you? They offer good benefits.

About the cost, I have no way of knowing that, and to me, it doesn't matter. You either get it, or you don't. It's offered, and it's up to them if they want to get it. If they choose not to, that doesn't mean I should pay it for them which is what this thread has turned into.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;369399]Are they available to all employees?[/QUOTE]

What kind of question is that? How many employers do you know that don't offer their benefits to their employees? If they are full timers, they are offered it.
:doh:

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[quote=jsarno;369430]Well, I doubt we will know the cost unless someone here actually works for them to enlighten us.
However you said:
[I][B]I'd be willing to be the coverage is pretty shitty[/B] and not cheap.[/I]

It's not shitty. Point proven with link. Do I need to spell EVERYTHING out for you? They offer good benefits.

About the cost, I have no way of knowing that, and to me, it doesn't matter. You either get it, or you don't. It's offered, and it's up to them if they want to get it. If they choose not to, that doesn't mean I should pay it for them which is what this thread has turned into.[/quote]

How can you tell they are good benefits without knowing what the limits are, how much the co-pays are, and how much the out of pocket cost is?

Cost might not matter to you, but I guarantee cost really matters if you're making $8 an hour.

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[quote=jsarno;369435]What kind of question is that? How many employers do you know that don't offer their benefits to their employees? If they are full timers, they are offered it.
:doh:[/quote]

Not necessarily.

I worked at McDonalds when I was a teenager and back then they only offered health coverage to managers.

I can't believe we're talking about whether McDonald's offers quality health care. Here's another link to check out:

[URL="http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/01/25/friendlys_slashes_health_benefits_for_454_workers/"]Friendly's slashes health benefits for 454 workers - The Boston Globe[/URL]

[quote]Limited plans have become controversial in recent years as the debate over providing adequate health coverage has intensified and companies search for ways to control costs. They are favored by large chains that offer low-wage jobs, including [URL="http://boston.stockgroup.com/sn_overview.asp?symbol=WMT"]Wal-Mart Stores[/URL], [URL="http://boston.stockgroup.com/sn_overview.asp?symbol=MCD"]McDonald's Corp.[/URL], and [URL="http://boston.stockgroup.com/sn_overview.asp?symbol=LOW"]Lowe's Cos.[/URL] About 1 million Americans are covered by such policies, according to a recent Kaiser study.[/quote]

Explain away this one. It's funny, I keep seeing Wal-Mart and McDonald's being lumped together, yet you think there are no problems with McDonald's, but you agree there are problems with Wal-Mart.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;369444]How can you tell they are good benefits without knowing what the limits are, how much the co-pays are, and how much the out of pocket cost is?

Cost might not matter to you, but I guarantee cost really matters if you're making $8 an hour.[/QUOTE]

I think you're missing my point on the cost issue.
Sure it matters to everyone, but you need to make a choice, either to accept or not. If you CHOOSE not accept it, then that's your choice. You need to find a way to afford it or you go without...plain and simple. This whole argument started with my saying, even a burger flipper at McDonalds is offered insurance. People that don't have it choose not to have it. I'd be willing to bet those that don't have the insurance at work have cable and other luxuries though. So we are supposed to pay for their insurance cause they choose to spend their money elsewhere...I don't think so.

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I'd be willing to bet that the bleeding hearts on here, if given the opportunity to put money where their mouth is, would not pay for someone else.
If Warpath decided to sponsor a family that can't afford the $600+ for insurance on a monthly basis, how many would actually pay? Or does it just sound better to argue for it and not come through? Every one of you complaining about it here maybe you should cancel some of your luxuries (like internet) and give it to those "less fortunate".

LOL...hell will freeze over before that happens.

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[quote=jsarno;369465]I think you're missing my point on the cost issue.
Sure it matters to everyone, but you need to make a choice, either to accept or not. If you CHOOSE not accept it, then that's your choice. You need to find a way to afford it or you go without...plain and simple. This whole argument started with my saying, even a burger flipper at McDonalds is offered insurance. People that don't have it choose not to have it. I'd be willing to bet those that don't have the insurance at work have cable and other luxuries though. So we are supposed to pay for their insurance cause they choose to spend their money elsewhere...I don't think so.[/quote]

I think there's a fundamental problem with having to decide whether health coverage is worth it or not. For lower paying jobs, people have to make that choice and that's what I have a problem with. And the coverage they get isn't even that great. Shouldn't they be entitled to [I]quality[/I] coverage that is affordable in comparison to how much they make?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;369478]I think there's a fundamental problem with having to decide whether health coverage is worth it or not. For lower paying jobs, people have to make that choice and that's what I have a problem with. And the coverage they get isn't even that great. Shouldn't they be entitled to [I]quality[/I] coverage that is affordable in comparison to how much they make?[/QUOTE]

I won't argue whether that is a fundamental flaw or not. It is. But we all do it. You can't band-aid one area and hope it all fixes itself. Why is it OK to have a $300k 5 hour surgery? Why is it OK to pay $150 for a simple doctor visit? The entire system is flawed to it's core, so unless we are talking about how to fix this core, it's a moot point.

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[quote=jsarno;369475]I'd be willing to bet that the bleeding hearts on here, if given the opportunity to put money where their mouth is, would not pay for someone else.
If Warpath decided to sponsor a family that can't afford the $600+ for insurance on a monthly basis, how many would actually pay? Or does it just sound better to argue for it and not come through? Every one of you complaining about it here maybe you should cancel some of your luxuries (like internet) and give it to those "less fortunate".

LOL...hell will freeze over before that happens.[/quote]

Let's talk about something a little more realistic. Obviously I couldn't afford to pay someone else's insurance at $600/month. But I do give generously when I can and I'm always be willing to give more for worthy causes.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;369296]people that cannot afford health care live a life of hope. the hope that nothing happens to them or a family member. to a hard working family that just cant make it, to begrudge them something that might be able to give them a little pleasure in an otherwise sucky life is ridiculous[/QUOTE]

Officially the most asinine thing I've read this week.

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[quote=mheisig;369528]Officially the most asinine thing I've read this week.[/quote]

I think what he said makes sense. If you think that's the most asinine thing on the board this week you haven't been reading very much.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;369582]I think what he said makes sense. If you think that's the most asinine thing on the board this week you haven't been reading very much.[/QUOTE]

No, I stand by my statement. And that includes a lot of reading in general this week, not just The Warpath.

Hell, I've heard arguments that the 'Skins will beat the Pats 50-3 that are more cogent.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;369510]Let's talk about something a little more realistic. Obviously I couldn't afford to pay someone else's insurance at $600/month. But I do give generously when I can and I'm always be willing to give more for worthy causes.[/QUOTE]

I said warpath, not you. There are a good at least 10 people that agree with you...that would be about $60 per month for each.

Now let's talk about medicare...there are a TON of people on medicare that can physically work, but aren't, and they are taking away from those that physically can't. Why do we not have a police system for this...these people are sucking off our system.
I'd be much more inclined to jump on board with all these ideas if it wasn't abused the way it is.
I'd be willing to help a WWII vet that can't work in heartbeat, but not so much the woman that has 5 kids from 5 fathers. It's too easy to cheat the system, and there is no one validating it.