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What are the Pats supposed to do not play anymore. Maybe us fans should be upset that the D couldnt stop anyone all day and the o was inept as usual. This game shows what a well disciplined, well coached team can do. Unfortunately the Skins are neither.

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[QUOTE=offiss;370490]Pretty typical, as usual many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue![/QUOTE]

This is the best post I have see on this site in a long long time. You hitthe nail on the head!

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[quote=canthetuna;370430]yeah,.. where's all the winner talk after that beautiful game??


I actually would've sent the house after brady every play after they went for it on forth down up 38-0 going into the fourth quarter. fuck the score I would've beaten the shit out of ayone in their backfield... fines be damned...[/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly. I would have brought a full-house blitz on every play, Landry and Taylor coming each time, if they hit big plays to Moss who cares. If you want to be mad at the coaching staff for something be mad at GW for not doing that.

Look, the only way you can beat the Pats, it seems, is to have your offense completely dominate time of possession and get some turnovers. Its going to be tough and we all kind of knew the Skins did not have the offense for the job going into this game. I doubt many of us expected 52-7, but the majority realized it was very much a longshot for the Skins to go into Foxboro and get a win. That being said, I still do not understand why people on here are actually defending the Patriots. I do not understand how you would not be seething with some anger after that display and then after Belichick's comments postgame. On the plus side it does seem like it is mostly newbies who apparently felt like antagonizing someone after the game and logged onto the Warpath, I still do not get it though. Look guys, they are a bunch of lowlifes up there and it is not just the Redskins fans on this site who are saying that. I have directed people numerous times to Gregg Easterbrook's TMQ column from last week because I thought he summed up everything very nicely, and did so long before kickoff Sunday. I will copy the pertinent bits below because I know it is a very long column and you probably don't want to sort through the whole thing.

Excerpt from [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071023&sportCat=nfl]ESPN Page 2 - TMQ: Good vs. Evil[/url]


"On Sunday, the Patriots led the winless Dolphins 42-7 late in the third quarter, yet Tom Brady was still behind center. And he wasn't just handing off the ball to grind the clock, either. Rather, he was back in the shotgun, still throwing to run up the score. Here is a summary of the Patriots' possession with a 42-7 lead late in the third and Brady, Randy Moss and the rest of their offensive starters on the field: Pass, run, pass, run, pass, pass. When backup quarterback Matt Cassel entered the game in the fourth quarter, with the Patriots leading 42-14 -- a margin larger than the greatest fourth-quarter comeback in NFL history (see below) -- did he hand off the ball to grind the clock? Here were Patriots' coaches first three calls: Run, pass, pass. Cassel's second pass was intercepted and returned for a touchdown, and Brady re-entered the game. Did he grind down the clock? Pass, pass, run, run, pass. The final score was 49-28.

The week before, New England led Dallas 42-27 and had second-and-goal on the Cowboys' 6-yard line with 1:43 remaining and Dallas out of timeouts. Three kneel-downs would have ended the game. But Belichick kept calling plays, frantic to run up the score -- including calling a play with 23 seconds remaining from the Dallas 1-yard line, resulting in a touchdown that made the final New England 48, Dallas 27. The Patriots then kicked off, and Dallas got the ball with 13 seconds remaining. Cowboys coach Wade Phillips showed the dignity Belichick lacked and ordered a kneel-down. Beyond defeating division-leading Dallas, New England has beaten six teams with a combined record of 11-27. In New England's six games against nonwinning teams, Belichick kept the starters in long after the outcome was decided, trying to run up the score. This doesn't just demonstrate Belichick has no class (although it certainly demonstrates that). It's worse -- this suggests something vindictive.

Yes, you can find games the Colts have won by a big margin in recent years, and yes, Manning was on the field through the fourth quarter at Jacksonville last night. But in that quarter, the Colts mainly ran to grind the clock: If they had wanted to win by more, they likely could have. As for New England's running up the score, supposedly the Patriots are angry about the Beli-Cheat scandal and are scoring points like crazy to express their anger against the world. Wait a moment: [I]What right do the Patriots have to be angry?[/I] They, after all, are the ones who admitted to systematic cheating. Other people didn't impose that situation on them -- they cheated of their own free accord, imposing the tainting of their accomplishments on themselves. The Patriots were not wronged; they wronged others. Yet they're mad about being caught, and they seem to want to take out their bad feelings about themselves by embarrassing second-echelon teams. That bespeaks lack of character. That's Dark Side. That's Evil."

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When they did it to other people I let it slide, but now it's personal. I am going to enjoy rooting against these guys for the rest of time.

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[quote=canthetuna;370443]you know, though guys... we did score like 52 points on a pathetic 49er team a couple of years ago. I don't think we went for it on fourth in the redzone ahead by forty, nor would we have, but we buried that team and scored in the fourth quarter there as well...
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I know you weren't making a direct comparison, but I'm glad you brought up that game because I had wanted to previously. It actually is a PERFECT example of sportsmanship and how you can score 52 points and do it with CLASS. Go look at the play-by-play of that game. The Redskins did score 17 points in the second half (you might say they ONLY scored 17 in the second half when they could have scored a lot more). But they attempted only 5 passes in the second half. They got a turnover and started with the ball on the SF 3 yard line in the third quarter and scored, they started at mid-field with 8:55 to go in the 3rd quarter and scored a field goal, BUT they ran the ball SEVEN of nine plays on that drive, they also DID NOT attempt to go for it on fourth and 3 from the SF 9 yard line (sound like a familiar situation?). They then scored again on a drive that started at the WAS 49 with 13:02 to go in the 4th, BUT they did so by running the ball six straight times with LADELL BETTS AND ROCK CARTWRIGHT because Clinton Portis and Brunell were out of the game. When they got the ball with 2:00 minutes to go in the fourth quarter Patrick Ramsey kneeled the ball three times and ended the game.

For all of those who didn't understand what was wrong with the Patriots going for it on 4th or running up the score and were anxious to understand why everyone was mad; for all of those who wanted to know "where is the line" and say we should "stop whining," take a look at the Skins-Niners game from 2005. That is how you win with class, that is sportsmanship, that is how you respect the game of football. Had the Patriots done what the Skins had in 2005 but still scored no one would have a problem here. If you still can't figure it out then I can't help you.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=28620&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2005&week=REG7]NFL Game Center: Play-by-Play - San Francisco 49ers at Washington Redskins - 2005 7[/url]

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Belichick has no class... but then again that's really not anything new.

I'd be willing to bet that those that seem to have no problem with the Pats running up the score would be furious if the Skins were doing the same thing.

I would love to see Brady get his knee blown out while he's tossing his 5th TD during meaningless garbage time in a game.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;370332]I know, I should wait until 24-hrs. before I post. But, my emotions have the best of me at this moment. What a classless act Bill Belichick is. O.k., we're down 38 to zip late in the 2nd half and this fuck is throwing deep routes and anything else that may put more points on the board! What did we do to piss him off already?? Granted, the Pats out played us, out coached us, out scored us. Give them credit for that. They are an awesome force. But, when they had us beat, and beat bad, what did they do? They kept pouring it on. Enough! We're done. We're toast. Raise the freakin' white flag! I have never been a proponent of dirty play, but after it became apparent that Belichick was going to run up the score on the 'Skins, I would have sent the house on Brady on every single play. Yep, damn the torpedos. Even if it had caused a personal foul each and every blitz, if I were Gibbs and/or Greg Williams, I'd have pummeled Brady for Belichick's transgression. Buried his ass in the turf. Brady seemed so smug on the sidelines anyway. I only watched the end of the game to see what Gibbs' reaction would be when he met Belichick to shake hands. I was hoping for something similar to a Chuck Noll / Jerry Glanville interaction. Back in the day, Noll at least had the balls to get in Glanville's grille and let him know how he didn't appreciate how "Glandville" ran up the score on the Steelers that day. I have yet to see, or hear, any response from Gibbs after this embarrassing loss, but after the clock ran out, the camera was following Gibbs and it appeared that he simply avoided Belichick and ran off the field. Someone please tell me that I missed something and that Gibbs addressed this issue and stepped up for the team. Because if he didn't, I've lost a great amount of respect for him, and I love the guy. I had great respect for the Pats, and even Belichick, until today. I now hope they go down in a very very painful way.[/quote]

Coach Gibbs publically announced in the week leading up to the game that the Redskins had virtually no hope of winning this game, and stated that they were the "biggest underdogs in history". He literally displayed a large dose of "no faith in his team", and you are worried whether or not he shook Belicheats hand and got in his face for running up the score?

I am more concerned that Gibbs had written this game off as a loss, several days before the coin toss. What kind of message does he send the team with that attitude?

But you are right, Belichick has to be careful, as long as he appears to keep embarrasing teams and purposely running up the score, he might place his stars in harms way. Someday someone is going to take that late hit on Brady around the knees. Someone is going to lead a helment into Moss's head, someone is going to purposely crack-block Vrabel. Again, they need to be careful, they have already been labeled "cheaters" and now "class-less", I know NFL players are professionals, but sooner or later a player is going to take offense to the way Belichick is doing business and come to the conclusion that the penalty and subsequent fine will be worth the late hit.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370518]Belichick has no class... but then again that's really not anything new.

I'd be willing to bet that those that seem to have no problem with the Pats running up the score would be furious if the Skins were doing the same thing.

I would love to see Brady get his knee blown out while he's tossing his 5th TD during meaningless garbage time in a game.[/QUOTE]

I just cant see how NE could have done it any differently. They went for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG. The FG would have been rubbing the Skins noses in it. At least the Skins had a chance to stop them on 4th and they couldnt.

I have no problem with any team scoring as much as they can. The only way to disrespect the game is to stop playing hard. You cant tell guys that want to get noticed or keep their jobs to stop playing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370518]I would love to see Brady get his knee blown out while he's tossing his 5th TD during meaningless garbage time in a game.[/QUOTE]As much as I hate to admit it, so do I. Actually I know what would be even better: If brady were to get shoved out of bounds and he blows out his knee after running full speed into the goblin known as belichick and splitting his head open.

Okay, so maybe that's pretty classless of me, but I don't think it's really that much different than going for it on 4th and 2 with a 40+ point lead and passing it off by saying "well, they still could come back."

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[quote=sandtrapjack;370521]Coach Gibbs publically announced in the week leading up to the game that the Redskins had virtually no hope of winning this game, and stated that they were the "biggest underdogs in history". He literally displayed a large dose of "no faith in his team", and you are worried whether or not he shook Belicheats hand and got in his face for running up the score?

I am more concerned that Gibbs had written this game off as a loss, several days before the coin toss. What kind of message does he send the team with that attitude?[/quote]

It was a classic coaching cliche, talk up the other team, say it's going to be a tough game. What do you want him to say? We're going to kick their asses all over the field? Come on. Why are so many people acting so freaking clueless? It's driving me insane.

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[quote=irish;370507]This is the best post I have see on this site in a long long time. You hitthe nail on the head![/quote]

When you start enthusiastically agreeing with offhiss then you know you've got some problems. That was one of the most banal posts that I've seen in a while so how about that one. Yeah, coach Gibbs definitely antagonized the Pats by saying the Skins were the biggest underdogs in sports, that definitely is why they went for it on 4th down when they were up 38-0. I'm not surprised at all to hear offhiss agree with Belichick and think he is a really upstanding guy. That seems about right actually. That someone would second him and say that was the "best post he's seen in a long time" is laughable.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;370529]It was a classic coaching cliche, talk up the other team, say it's going to be a tough game. What do you want him to say? We're going to kick their asses all over the field? Come on. Why are so many people acting so freaking clueless? It's driving me insane.[/quote]

It is not what I want him to say, it is what he should say. Or, not say for that matter.

The coach said "I don't know how we can match up to them, do you, because if you so tell me and we will both know." Or workds to that effect.

There is a difference between "talking up the other team" and surrendering the outcome. When is the last time you ever heard ANY head coach in the NFL "talk up a team" like that?

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Wow....This is the reason there should be the 24hr post rule. What they did was not cool, and I tried to turn the game off...but couldn't. We ALL knew what we needed to do to slow these guys down, but we flat out didn't do it. Them running up the score isn't hurting anyone, it's just showing what kind of team they are. This is the pros, and there is a mercy rule here. Didn't we beat someone last year, or the year before 40'something to zero????

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[quote=offiss;370490]Pretty typical, as usual many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue![/quote]

I just think that is how they are going to play this year. They are trying to beat everyone down. I think inside that Pats locker room that whole cheating thing has pissed them off. You know why? Cause the taping of hand signals was totally overblown by the media. The fact is that crap didn't affect the outcome of any games or Super Bowls and the Pats know that. That is why they have just made of their minds that they are just going to take it out on the rest of the NFL.

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I'm sorry, but I just read the first hand full of posts and it's completely laughable that Belichick is being accused of being classless for "running up the score". What?! And Godfrey had comments afterward? Listen, these are grown ass men playing football for crying out loud! Since when are you supposed to dial down on the competitive juices. I loved Belichick's presser. "We're just out there playing football."

If he's accused of having his team ready to kick ass, guilty as charged. The Skins had absolutely no fire, and the Pats did. That's the bottom line.

If anything I hope it serves as a wake up call to Gibbs and co.,but somehow I doubt it will. But to answer the question, I have no problem with the way the Pats scored on us yesterday - none.

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[QUOTE=offiss;370490][B]Pretty typical, as usual[/B] many are looking to deflect the real problem on to some one else, Belichik, Gibbs has had 4 years to build a team and has failed miserably, and yet that is some how Belichiks fault, don't make me laugh! This is a man's game we are not talking about a bunch of 10 year old kids here who are in the learning process, these guy's are paid a lot of money to win, what happens if the Pats let up and some one gets hurt because they didn't play to their full capabilities? What about losing some continuity and rhythm because you start to play different than your used to, especially on the heels of the biggest game of the regular season for them? Gibbs as usual was as unprepared as you could be for this game, it's as if he has one set of plays for every one.

So while Gibbs is blowing smoke up every one's A** as usual on how good of a football team we either beat or lost to, remember this, he can barely survive in a conference that is mediocre at best, yes we slug it out every week against teams that should be screaming for us to stop running up the score, unfortunately when he meets a real team it's not even a contest.

Every one immediately blames the coach on this one, yet you don't think Gibbs little banter back and forth this week with Brady had nothing to do with this out come? You could see in Brady's eyes when it was 35 nothing he wanted to go out and score 35 more, my thoughts and I said it at half time was he was out to shut Gibbs up, he didn't appreciate Gibbs and his usual child psychology talking about how we are the biggest underdogs in the history of sports, as if Brady and the Pat's were that stupid, so if Gibbs was correct then why is any one crying over the out come it should have been expected, in fact if that was the case I think we did quite well, I guess Brady wanted to make Gibbs look like he knew what he was talking about, and he did!

Sorry but the real story here is Gibbs and the fact as good as he was in his first tenure, he is as bad in his second! The scary part is he doesn't have a clue![/QUOTE]

First, it's pretty typical that you are gloating over this loss. I am not sure whether you are a Redskins fan who is hurt so much by each loss, or you are a Cowboys fan who loves to watch the Redskins lose so you can post things on this site.

Second, those of us who don't like what Belichick did (i.e., running up the score) don't absolve Gibbs, the other coaches, or the players from blame. You are confusing the issue. We think that Belichick has no class, we don't think it is Belichick's responsibility to win for us. You know that, so don't try to get cute with your arguments.

I still find your fascination with and defense of Spurrier laughable in light of your attacks on Gibbs.

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[quote=Daseal;370422]I don't like Belichick by any stretch of the imagination. From all accounts he is a real douchebag. The only thing that bothers me is skins fans whining that they scored too many points on us. Wonder how many people would be complaining if we did this to the Cowboys.

Here's a great quote by Belichick that Gibbs should start to follow:[/quote]

That is a great quote. Post of the year.

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[QUOTE=irish;370523]I just cant see how NE could have done it any differently. They went for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG. The FG would have been rubbing the Skins noses in it. At least the Skins had a chance to stop them on 4th and they couldnt.

I have no problem with any team scoring as much as they can. The only way to disrespect the game is to stop playing hard. You cant tell guys that want to get noticed or keep their jobs to stop playing.[/QUOTE]

How do you manage to twist things around so much that kicking a field goal in lieu of trying to convert on 4th down is running up the score. Talk about mental gymnastics.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370536]I'm sorry, but I just read the first hand full of posts and it's completely laughable that Belichick is being accused of being classless for "running up the score". What?! And Godfrey had comments afterward? Listen, these are grown ass men playing football for crying out loud! Since when are you supposed to dial down on the competitive juices. I loved Belichick's presser. "We're just out there playing football."

If he's accused of having his team ready to kick ass, guilty as charged. The Skins had absolutely no fire, and the Pats did. That's the bottom line.

If anything I hope it serves as a wake up call to Gibbs and Co. But some how I doubt it will. But to answer the question, I have no problem with the way the Pats scored on us yesterday - none.[/QUOTE]

Another Post I totally agree with. BB had his team ready to roll, Gibbs didnt, and it showed.

I also agree that this likely wont be a wake up call for this team. While I believe that this team has a ton of talent (as much or more than many teams in the league) I know that talent is not enough. These guys dont have the discipline, fire, and attention to detail to be a championship team. For some reason the sum of this team is less than its parts.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;370539]How do you manage to twist things around so much that kicking a field goal in lieu of trying to convert on 4th down is running up the score. Talk about mental gymnastics.[/QUOTE]

I didnt say kicking the FG was running up the score, I said kicking a FG would be rubbing the Skins noses in it more than giving them a chance to make a stop on 4th down.

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[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;370354]Belichick did exactly what he should have done. When a team self-destucts on the field of battle the opposition has absolutely no obligation to slow down. If the Skins had an opportunity to do this it would have been the right thing to do as well, but I think we all know that's not how it would play out. Hence the difference between teams with a killer instinct and teams without one. Belichick is a guy I respected but never liked. After today I respect him a little more.[/QUOTE]

This isn't a "field of battle." It's a professional sporting event and has very little in common with an actual battlefield. Even if it were a field of battle it doesn't justify abusing the opposition once they've been soundly beaten. This isn't the Roman Empire, circa 70 A.D.

I agree with the "It's the Skins responsibility to stop the scoring" to a certain extent. Into the late third or even early fourth quarter and with a point differential of 30-40 points, yeah, the Skins take the blame.

But at a certain point it's a lot more akin to kicking a wounded dog than it is playing an opponent. Do you blame the dog for not "getting out of the way of the kicks to stop the pain?" Nobody is arguing that we were outplayed and outcoached in every facet of the game, but that doesn't excuse Belichick running up the score when there is obviously zero chance of a comeback.

Gregg Easterbrook sums it up perfectly in his [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071023&sportCat=nfl"]Good vs. Evil[/URL] article. Well worth the read, and I'm with Gregg when I say it's obvious who I'll be pulling for on Nov. 4th.

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I can't believe there are (currently) 16 people who think the Patriots did not run up the score? What game were you clowns watching? And don't give me that whole "if you don't want us to score, then stop us" bullshit, either. There's class and then there's classless, this is most definitely the latter. I wore my Landry jersey to work today, just because I think true fans show their colors after a loss, especially a big loss like that. I have never gotten more support from fans of other teams who said things such as the Patriots were lucky we didn't go after Brady's legs. Obviously, that would be the antithesis of everything JG stands for, but there are teams that would have. 6 years ago, I felt bad for Boston and was happy when their teams started winning. Now, I'm getting the same feeling for them that I've had for Philadelphia and NY.

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Belichick is a fucking asshole with no respect.Yea I know we lost!,okay but he still pours it on! And im sick of hearing "aw quit crying this is the nfl" Well this isnt Madden, what does running up the score prove? Why the hell was Brady in in the 4th quarter? To get stats? I dont care what anybody else says, I hope it comes back and bites them in the ass.

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[QUOTE=Blue Star;370458]God Bless you.

[B]Bill did not run up the score.[/B] Its up to those guys on defense that get paid millions of dollars to not allow that to happen. I don't care if its 50-0 going into the 4th quarter. Tom Brady and the rest get paid millions of dollars to play. Their fans want to see them and deserve to see them play the whole game. When the QB change happened what did the skins do? Let the qb run in for a freaking score. What did the skins overpaid offense do jack shi*.[/QUOTE]

So, it was Tom Brady then that made the call to go for it on 4th down with the game already well in hand for the Pats?

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Belichick is a fucking asshole with no respect.Yea I know we lost!,okay but he still pours it on! And im sick of hearing "aw quit crying this is the nfl" Well this isnt Madden, what does running up the score prove? Why the hell was Brady in in the 4th quarter? To get stats? I dont care what anybody else says, I hope it comes back and bites them in the ass.

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This thread really has me fuming because this is part of the damn problem at Redskins Park and to a large degree, our fan base. Everyone wants to win a certain way or look a certain way while doing it. Give me break, will ya? When that helmet cracks into someone's chest on the other side of the ball, no one's going, "oh don't hit him so hard." I can barely articulate my frustration with this mindset. I guess I really don't see the classless nature in what went down yesterday.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;370543]I can't believe there are (currently) 16 people who think the Patriots did not run up the score? What game were you clowns watching? And don't give me that whole "if you don't want us to score, then stop us" bullshit, either. There's class and then there's classless, this is most definitely the latter. I wore my Landry jersey to work today, just because I think true fans show their colors after a loss, especially a big loss like that. I have never gotten more support from fans of other teams who said things such as the Patriots were lucky we didn't go after Brady's legs. Obviously, that would be the antithesis of everything JG stands for, but there are teams that would have. 6 years ago, I felt bad for Boston and was happy when their teams started winning. Now, I'm getting the same feeling for them that I've had for Philadelphia and NY.[/QUOTE]

The Skins would have actually had to get close to Brady to get his legs.

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I picked the Skins and never imagine this would have happen .With that said These guys are all professionals and the fact is the back ups took advantage of their oppertunities,the back up QB scored ,there Defensive players were playing on O and they were scoring.How do you tell a back up not to play hard when he's playing for his job in the future,hell some of these guys might never see a pro game ever again..................you can't get mad at the other team just becuase your team let you down.Lets not forget that last time Bellicheck put in the back up QB and he threw a INT he was benched.......................so what would you have done?

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Alright, here's how I see it:

Late in the game brady dropped back to pass into the endzone with Daniels running towards him very fast. Brady was throwing again even though they had a really comfortable lead (around 40 points), but what if Daniels had been able to make the hit and he blew out brady's knee?
What would belichick's excuse have been if he lost his golden boy because he had him passing late in a blow out?
Would he have been able to justify it by saying that he needed to secure a win even though they were already ahead by something like 7 TDs and our offense was constantly moving backwards?
So, isn't it pretty classless to put your team in that sort of situation? Like others have said, NE is lucky our team isn't really dirty because if we were I'm sure we could have made them regret that brady was still in late in the game.

I remember last year or the year before I was watching a U of Alabama game (for some reason) on TV and even though they were ahead by a lot late in the game they were still throwing deep and their best WR ended up suffering a broken leg. I understand that in college you need the whole margin of victory thing, but still a kid broke his leg when he should have been on the bench. In the NFL you don't even have to worry about margin of victory so there is no excuse for having your star player in late in a blow out.

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[quote=irish;370523]I just cant see how NE could have done it any differently. They went for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG. The FG would have been rubbing the Skins noses in it. At least the Skins had a chance to stop them on 4th and they couldnt.

I have no problem with any team scoring as much as they can. The only way to disrespect the game is to stop playing hard. You cant tell guys that want to get noticed or keep their jobs to stop playing.[/quote]

A FG would have been worse than trying to score a TD??

Wow, what sort of insane, reverse logic is that?

The majority of the time in the NFL any team in that situation would kick the FG vs. going for it. It's 38-0, the game is comfortably in hand, you kick the FG.

The Patriots are on a mission to embarrass everyone they play, I guess because Belichick is himself embarrassed over the whole cheating scandal so this is his way of sticking it to the rest of the league. Hey, more power to them, but to me and many others it's a pretty shitty way to go about things. If the Redskins were doing that, I wouldn't be pleased at all.

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[quote=MTRedskinsFan;370354]Belichick did exactly what he should have done. When a team self-destucts on the field of battle the opposition has absolutely no obligation to slow down. If the Skins had an opportunity to do this it would have been the right thing to do as well, but I think we all know that's not how it would play out. Hence the difference between teams with a killer instinct and teams without one. Belichick is a guy I respected but never liked. After today I respect him a little more.[/quote]

I agree with what you say about having a killer instinct' but this one was over at halftime... why throw deep in the 4th.quarter and go for it on 4th.down...that I would call a "bitch slap" and way out of line.

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[quote=Giantone;370551]I picked the Skins and never imagine this would have happen .With that said These guys are all professionals and the fact is the back ups took advantage of their oppertunities,the back up QB scored ,there Defensive players were playing on O and they were scoring.How do you tell a back up not to play hard when he's playing for his job in the future,hell some of these guys might never see a pro game ever again..................you can't get mad at the other team just becuase your team let you down.Lets not forget that last time Bellicheck put in the back up QB and he threw a INT he was benched.......................so what would you have done?[/quote]

It's a ridiculous argument, dude. The damn back up QB runs for a 15 yard touchdown and we call Belichick classless. And Randall Godfrey, of all people, had the audacity to say something in the locker room of all places. Don't we get it? The Pats are saying we're not going to talk trash, but we'll give you every opportunity to kick our ass fair and square? And if you for some reason decide to run up the score in the process, we have no problem with it all.

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Now that I think about it I bet that belichick only kept his starters in late in the game was because all week he heard that the Skins had the best defense that we was going to face so far this season. Once again, this was his attempt to prove his manhood and his superiority to the entire NFL.
I really think he's a pathetic, sad little man who has some real self esteem issues. (geez, I sound like hessel)

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[quote=Dlyne8r;370332]I know, I should wait until 24-hrs. before I post. But, my emotions have the best of me at this moment. What a classless act Bill Belichick is. O.k., we're down 38 to zip late in the 2nd half and this fuck is throwing deep routes and anything else that may put more points on the board! What did we do to piss him off already?? Granted, the Pats out played us, out coached us, out scored us. Give them credit for that. They are an awesome force. But, when they had us beat, and beat bad, what did they do? They kept pouring it on. Enough! We're done. We're toast. Raise the freakin' white flag! I have never been a proponent of dirty play, but after it became apparent that Belichick was going to run up the score on the 'Skins, I would have sent the house on Brady on every single play. Yep, damn the torpedos. Even if it had caused a personal foul each and every blitz, if I were Gibbs and/or Greg Williams, I'd have pummeled Brady for Belichick's transgression. Buried his ass in the turf. Brady seemed so smug on the sidelines anyway. I only watched the end of the game to see what Gibbs' reaction would be when he met Belichick to shake hands. I was hoping for something similar to a Chuck Noll / Jerry Glanville interaction. Back in the day, Noll at least had the balls to get in Glanville's grille and let him know how he didn't appreciate how "Glandville" ran up the score on the Steelers that day. I have yet to see, or hear, any response from Gibbs after this embarrassing loss, but after the clock ran out, the camera was following Gibbs and it appeared that he simply avoided Belichick and ran off the field. Someone please tell me that I missed something and that Gibbs addressed this issue and stepped up for the team. Because if he didn't, I've lost a great amount of respect for him, and I love the guy. I had great respect for the Pats, and even Belichick, until today. I now hope they go down in a very very painful way.[/quote]


I have been saying the exact same thing. Once they kept Brady in throwing the ball all over the field in the 4th up 40 points, then going for it on 4th down twice or three times, I would have told #21 (the reaper!) to go after him. Hit him hard, hit him often. I dont care about the 15 yarders, I dont care if he has thrown the ball, just break is freaking neck. If they wanted to be classless and do that crap, then we are going to make you wish you had pulled him. But, I guess what we did was show some class by not acting like idiots.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;370521]Coach Gibbs publically announced in the week leading up to the game that the Redskins had virtually no hope of winning this game, and stated that they were the "biggest underdogs in history". He literally displayed a large dose of "no faith in his team", and [B]you are worried whether or not he shook Belicheats hand and got in his face for running up the score...[/B]?
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It didn't [I]"worry"[/I] me. I was simply expressing my personal frustration over the fact that Gibbs had not shown more emotion over Belichick's classless display. I understand, and appreciate, Gibbs typical reaction to "rise above" someone like Belichick. But, I truly think the team would have found a new spark if Gibbs had reacted at least a little more aggresively.

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[quote=#56fanatic;370560]I have been saying the exact same thing. Once they kept Brady in throwing the ball all over the field in the 4th up 40 points, then going for it on 4th down twice or three times, I would have told #21 (the reaper!) to go after him. Hit him hard, hit him often. I dont care about the 15 yarders, I dont care if he has thrown the ball, just break is freaking neck. If they wanted to be classless and do that crap, then we are going to make you wish you had pulled him. But, I guess what we did was show some class by not acting like idiots.[/quote]

Why do we have to wait when were 40 points down to get Sean Taylor after Brady in the first place?

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[quote=Dlyne8r;370562]It didn't [I]"worry"[/I] me. I was simply expressing my personal frustration over the fact that Gibbs had not shown more emotion over Belichick's classless display. I understand, and appreciate, Gibbs typical reaction to "rise above" someone like Belichick. But, I truly think the team would have found a new spark if Gibbs had reacted at least a little more aggresively.[/quote]

Please tell what is so classless about Belichick's team kicking our ass yesterday?

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;370543]I can't believe there are (currently) 16 people who think the Patriots did not run up the score? What game were you clowns watching? And don't give me that whole "if you don't want us to score, then stop us" bullshit, either. There's class and then there's classless, this is most definitely the latter. I wore my Landry jersey to work today, just because I think true fans show their colors after a loss, especially a big loss like that. I have never gotten more support from fans of other teams who said things such as the Patriots were lucky we didn't go after Brady's legs. Obviously, that would be the antithesis of everything JG stands for, but there are teams that would have. 6 years ago, I felt bad for Boston and was happy when their teams started winning. Now, I'm getting the same feeling for them that I've had for Philadelphia and NY.[/quote]

In case you haven't noticed there are a handful of people that take some sort of twisted joy in shitting on their own team. Just ignore them, otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy trying to figure out why they call themselves fans of the team. I've always related it to someone who says they like a certain band, but then complain about every song and every album.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;370559]Now that I think about it I bet that belichick only kept his starters in late in the game was because all week he heard that the Skins had the best defense that we was going to face so far this season. Once again, this was his attempt to prove his manhood and his superiority to the entire NFL.
I really think he's a pathetic, sad little man who has some real self esteem issues. (geez, I sound like hessel)[/QUOTE]

The guy is an asswipe on and off the field. Cheats on his wife with a secretary, cheats in football by sending his minions to videotape defensive signals, shoves reporters and cameramen and treats anyone who asks him a question like a second class citizen who doesn't deserve his time , and when he's finally caught cheating by the NFL his response is to basically lash out at everyone else like it's THEIR fault he got caught. What a dick.

In my opinion, anyone defending this guy is just demonstrating their own lack of character.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370553]A FG would have been worse than trying to score a TD??

Wow, what sort of insane, reverse logic is that?

The majority of the time in the NFL any team in that situation would kick the FG vs. going for it. It's 38-0, the game is comfortably in hand, you kick the FG.

The Patriots are on a mission to embarrass everyone they play, I guess because Belichick is himself embarrassed over the whole cheating scandal so this is his way of sticking it to the rest of the league. Hey, more power to them, but to me and many others it's a pretty shitty way to go about things. If the Redskins were doing that, I wouldn't be pleased at all.[/QUOTE]

I think the Pats gave the Skins a chance to keep points off the board and the Skins couldnt do it.

I am 100% certain that if the Skins were 8-0 and crushing opponents like NE is, nobody would have a problem with how they were winning. I know I wouldnt.