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[quote=Beemnseven;372462]But don't you think we should be a little closer than what the score indicated? Or do you think we just had an off day?[/quote]

Not with our bloody offense! They were totally exposed for the frauds they are. The defense was banged up (no Smoot, no Rogers, no McIntosh, and banged up Washington) and even if everyone on defense was healthy that shitty Skins offense couldn't sustain a drive (the Pats had the ball for 37:49).


No my friend, if we played them again I highly doubt the score would be any different.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;372310]"If you can run it, draw people to the line of scrimmage, then you can pass it. They go hand in hand."

No, they don't go hand in hand. Not anymore Joe. This is the 80's early 90 mentality. Gibbs is never ever going to adjust to today's NFL. When is this guy ever going to realize that it is a passing league now? The rules beg you to pass it. DB's can't even breathe on the WR's yet we don't have one single wr with a passing TD. You should be able to pass it with the guys you brought in here w/out having to run it all the time. Same old crap.[/QUOTE]

Just about every team INCLUDING the Colts last year won the championship because of a strong running game. If you're looking for a passing league, watch the AFL.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;372380]In no way do I discount it. Not at all. But I just don't think it's life or death like Gibbs and Bugel do. That is why they are not in touch with today's NFL. If they would just look around they would see what the good teams are doing and adjust. That's why I'm so down on Gibbs. He was simply the master at adjusting his 1st go around. Who was better at adjusting than Gibbs 1? No one.

If he would just look at the line he would know that they can't play smash mouth. Everyone knows we are going to run to the left side, and Fabini and Wade can not run block.

I remember the 89 team. Just barely missed the playoffs cause of massive injuries. The rb's were all beat up and he just said I'm going to put it on Monk, Clark and Sanders. That was the year all 3 went over 1,000 yards. How many times has that ever been done in the NFL? 2-3 times maybe?? So this is the stuff I'm talking about. The guy knows offensive football. He was the first one to come out with the bunch sets and one back stuff. But he is so damn stubborn about opening up the offense and putting it on the WR's who are suppose to be the strength of the team. Plus he's got Sanders here. Yet we still can't score points and we are 27th or 28th in offense? We have all these wr's and a deep ball thrower yet not one single wr has a td pass this year??? If I were Snyder I would be so damn pissed it's not even funny.[/QUOTE]

That's a fair point. Good post.

People often forget that Gibbs was originally known as a pass-first coach. Only with Riggins and the talent he had along the O-line did he finally decide to go smashmouth. Bottom line is that he adapted to the personnel that was given to him. Something he needs to do now.

Back in 1992, in the playoff game against Minnesota, there was a stat totalling all of the plays Gibbs had run since 1981. It was perfectly balanced, but with one more pass attempt than running attempt.

No one is suggesting giving up the run. Of course you have to try to run it. But sometimes the passing game can open up the running game. I don't think it would be out of the question to tilt the play selection to something like 55-60% pass to 40-45% run.

I don't think it would signal the apocalypse if they tried that.

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Sorry, but I've about had it with Joe Bugel and his "tough talk" about "our way or the Trailway".

Excuse me, Assistant Head Coach - Offense Joe, but you've been here for 4 seasons now and have had time to develop all the toughness and dedication you ought to need in your OL. The problem actually is that you managed to acquire/developonly four or five competent offensive linemen and when a couple of them got hurt you had nothing behind them who could get the job done. Oh, that happened in years past too so I guess you didn't learn from those experiences.

You are the legendary "Hog-Master". So, what great offensive lines have you actually developed in the last 15 years? I think the answer to that is zero.

Maybe - just maybe - the Hogs were great because there were at least 3 and maybe 4 outstanding talents on that line at the same time and just about any good line coach could have made them into a dominant unit. In your subsequent stops in the NFL - including your reincarnation here - the offensive lines have been sub-standard most of the time and marginally above average once in a while.

Maybe you should be one of the guys at the Trailways Terminal with bags in hand? Maybe you should be first in line?

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;372477]Sorry, but I've about had it with Joe Bugel and his "tough talk" about "our way or the Trailway".

Excuse me, Assistant Head Coach - Offense Joe, but you've been here for 4 seasons now and have had time to develop all the toughness and dedication you ought to need in your OL. The problem actually is that you managed to acquire/developonly four or five competent offensive linemen and when a couple of them got hurt you had nothing behind them who could get the job done. Oh, that happened in years past too so I guess you didn't learn from those experiences.

You are the legendary "Hog-Master". So, what great offensive lines have you actually developed in the last 15 years? I think the answer to that is zero.

Maybe - just maybe - the Hogs were great because there were at least 3 and maybe 4 outstanding talents on that line at the same time and just about any good line coach could have made them into a dominant unit. In your subsequent stops in the NFL - including your reincarnation here - the offensive lines have been sub-standard most of the time and marginally above average once in a while.

Maybe you should be one of the guys at the Trailways Terminal with bags in hand? Maybe you should be first in line?[/QUOTE]

How many offensive linemen could they have drafted had they not blown their wad on TJ Duckett and Brandon Lloyd? Two 3rd round choices and two 4th rounders? Kind of hard to develop an O-line when you devote three late round draft selections at the position in four years.

Bugel had nothing to do with those boneheaded decisions.

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[quote=skinsguy;372469]Just about every team INCLUDING the Colts last year won the championship because of a strong running game. If you're looking for a passing league, watch the AFL.[/quote]

Do you know one of the main reasons the Colts run it so well? Why they have such a high average yards per carry? It's because they never ever ever have 8 guys lurking around the line like we do. Defenses that play the Colts know better. They know they will get burned deep and they respect the passing game. Who respects our passing game when we are always throwing wr screens all day long and don't push the ball in the 15-25 yard range?

When have you ever seen CP run the ball when JC is in shotgun on 1st down with the field spread out? It's little things like this that will help a slasher like CP operate in space. I'm not saying play run and shoot but at least try and run more out of passing formations on 1st and 2nd down.

Portis averaged over 5 yards a carry before he got here. His average has dipped down alot since he has come to Wash. Sorry but I put some of that on the coaches for not trying to spead the field more and let the guy try and run in space. Instead we try and play smash mouth with a 205 back. It makes no sense. CP is not a in between the tackles type of runner. He needs to be on the perimeter as Sanders likes to say. Why aren't we running more stretch plays?

Gibbs and Bugel's mentality is they don't care how many guys are in the box. They ignore it. They did it last year and to a point they are doing it this year. Establish the run at all costs and it's just killing us.

If we ever come out and try and pass first to set up the run I might cum in might pants.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;372454]Many of the other responses have all provided great stats to back up the fact that the NFL is not just a "passing league".
Unfortunately we have a young QB and WRs who don't scare anyone, even if you spread the field out and come out in passing formations the defense can still cheat towards the run because our passing game isn't a threat. If you try to "air it out" unsuccessfully you will have a lot of "three and outs", you are not taking any time off the clock, or giving the defense any rest.
The NFL isn't just about being a "passing league", it is about scheming towards a team's strenghs and covering up the personnel weaknesses. The majority of NFL coaches are smart guys and work very hard, but at the NFL level it's mostly about talent and right now on offense our talent level is not very good. Our OL is injured and weak on the right side, our WRs are not very good, Portis is not looking good, Betts has not proven he is a "number one" back, Campbell is still basically a rookie and Cooley, while a top ten TE, isn't physically gifted like a Kellen Winslow, Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzalez, he cannot carry us.
So what should Joe Gibbs do, try to come out and throw the ball 70% of the time...OR...attempt to establish the run, work in some play action, manage the game, and rely on our solid defense and special teams to keep us in the game. I don't think it's a matter of the game passing Gibbs by, we just don't have the talent on offense.
You mentioned the Browns skill players not being better than ours in another post. I would take Braylon Edwards over any of our WRs, Jurevicous is a solid # 2, and Winslow is more of a physical threat than Cooley. How about some of the other skill players from teams you mentioned; Giants - Burress, Shockey, Toomer, Detroit - Calvin Johnson, Roy Williams, Seattle - WRs aren't scary, but Hasselbeck is a very solid veteran QB, GB - Driver & Jennings are getting it done and Favre is having his "last hurrah", Dallas - hurts to say it but their skill guys are better.
We just have to be realistic, we were 5-11 last year for a reason. To go to 8-8 or 9-7, while disappointing if we don't make the playoffs is a good improvement. If we make some solid personnel decisions in the off-season we are defintely going in the right direction.[/quote]

You bring up some very good points here. Sometimes the truth hurts. Perhaps our guys just aren't as good as advertised. But I need to see our skill guys get more chances. Lloyd needs to get more balls thrown to him. I know he is probably a bum. But at least give him 4-5 balls a game downfield, instead of the screens.

I didn't see us try and get Santana the ball at all downfield against NE. When Dallas played NE Witten was killing Harrison. Is Witten that much better than Cooley? Yet I didn't see any effort to get Cooley the ball downfield until it was too late.

I think the #1 priority for this team next off season is a big 6'4 red zone threat that draws coverage to his side of the field like Randy Moss does. We just can't score points. Perhaps someone like that can open up everything for the other players.

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[quote=skinsfan69;372484]
I think the #1 priority for this team next off season is a big 6'4 red zone threat that draws coverage to his side of the field like Randy Moss does. We just can't score points. Perhaps someone like that can open up everything for the other players.[/quote]
Agreed 100%.
We need physical threats at WR, not just a couple of guys who only run fast, because you can always play with help over the top. If the speed-burners don't run particularly good routes, go over the middle well, or have great hands they are fairly easy to defend.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;372477]Sorry, but I've about had it with Joe Bugel and his "tough talk" about "our way or the Trailway".[/QUOTE]

In case you hadn't noticed, our offensive line play these past few years has been one of the bright spots. He loses 1 lineman to free agency, gets a replacement LG 2 weeks before the start of the season, loses the starting RT to IR, loses the best linemen at RG until the end of the season, his center is playing hurt, and so he's left with one uninjured starter from last year along a 5 man unit and you expect things to not skip a beat?

Apparently, our depth along the O-line is not nearly as good as we thought. You can say he is responsible for developing the depth all you want. But, if you give the guy bad eggs, rotten tomatoes, and Kraft cheese and order an omelet, expect it to taste like s--t.

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I don't know what there is to be optimistic about that article? Personally I thought it reeks of the same old none-sense, the only difference is the players are starting to become a little restless because they know what they are doing ain't gonna work, sounds like a respectful plea to gibbs to open up the offense and let them play, and his reply? We are going to shut it down even more with the running game, WONDERFUL!

Correct me him I am wrong, haven't we tried to run the ball all season? And hasn't it failed miserably? This commitment Gibbs is talking about, what would it be called the previous 7 games? Have players been faking it? Have the linemen been holding back on their blocks waiting to see how long it would take Gibbs to yell at them? Is it Halloween, or April fools? Sounds to me like things will only get worse if they truly think they are going to announce to the league we are going to open up the pass with the run, it's not like teams haven't been sitting on that game plan for 4 seasons. The fact is Gibbs ain't gonna like the result and all the 3 and outs that will accompany that strategy with this O-line.

He needs to open up the run with the pass with what he has on offense, now either he's blowing his usual smoke for the Jets, or he's officially lost it. This little meeting the players approached him with is going to be much bigger, and more vocal the next time, IMO the Caine Mutiny is on the horizon.

I just can't believe the players including Campbell, want to run the ball right now given how inept the running game has been?

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[QUOTE=saden1;372466]Not with our bloody offense! They were totally exposed for the frauds they are. The defense was banged up (no Smoot, no Rogers, no McIntosh, and banged up Washington) and even if everyone on defense was healthy that shitty Skins offense couldn't sustain a drive (the Pats had the ball for 37:49).


No my friend, if we played them again I highly doubt the score would be any different.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree there Saden, if we played them again it would be worse, Belichik would be out to teach Gibbs a lesson for not shacking his hand!:smashfrea

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;372445]Dude I'm fine. Mheisig always seems to go out of his way to attack me. Calling me a crack head and a loser and what not.[/QUOTE]

Could you please point out one thread or post on this entire site where I have referred to you (or anyone for that matter) as a "crack head and a loser"?

I thought we were engaging in intelligent debate. Flat out making shit up about what I've said is ridiculous and crossing the line.

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[quote=mheisig;372520][B]Could you please point out one thread or post on this entire site where I have referred to you (or anyone for that matter) as a "crack head and a loser"? [/B]

I thought we were engaging in intelligent debate. Flat out making shit up about what I've said is ridiculous and crossing the line.[/quote]

I don't know what the hell he's talking about either.

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[quote=offiss;372508]I have to disagree there Saden, if we played them again it would be worse, Belichik would be out to teach Gibbs a lesson for not shacking his hand!:smashfrea[/quote]

Huh? Looks like a hand shake to me.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;372522]Huh? Looks like a hand shake to me.

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He didn't say shake his hand. He said shack his hand...whatever that means. Learn to read Matty ;)

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I've got an idea! Let the offensive coordinator who has called plays in the past 15 years make the calls and call the game! Gibbs, should stay on as the spiritual advisor and let the expensive coordinators call the games! Enough is enough! Snyder has to wonder why his payroll is so high on the coaching end if these guys aren't even calling the game.

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The article makes me feel a little bit better. At least we know we're pathetic at the moment. There's still time to improve and who knows.

How much better would our D be if we actually had an above average offense? Alot better.

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[quote=Beemnseven;372462]But don't you think we should be a little closer than what the score indicated? Or do you think we just had an off day?[/quote]

What difference would a little closer have made? Would you have felt better if it was 52-28?

Honestly I was surprised that our D wasn't able to do anything. I think that speaks volumes as to how far ahead of the pack the Patriots are right now when they can destroy a top 5 defense.

I knew the Skins would lose, I just didn't think the defense was going to be worthless.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;372477]Sorry, but I've about had it with Joe Bugel and his "tough talk" about "our way or the Trailway".

Excuse me, Assistant Head Coach - Offense Joe, but you've been here for 4 seasons now and have had time to develop all the toughness and dedication you ought to need in your OL. The problem actually is that you managed to acquire/developonly four or five competent offensive linemen and when a couple of them got hurt you had nothing behind them who could get the job done. Oh, that happened in years past too so I guess you didn't learn from those experiences.

You are the legendary "Hog-Master". So, what great offensive lines have you actually developed in the last 15 years? I think the answer to that is zero.

Maybe - just maybe - the Hogs were great because there were at least 3 and maybe 4 outstanding talents on that line at the same time and just about any good line coach could have made them into a dominant unit. In your subsequent stops in the NFL - including your reincarnation here - the offensive lines have been sub-standard most of the time and marginally above average once in a while.

Maybe you should be one of the guys at the Trailways Terminal with bags in hand? Maybe you should be first in line?[/quote]

Jeez now we're tossing Bugel under the bus?

Nobody is safe when you're 4-3 I guess.

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[quote=mheisig;372520]Could you please point out one thread or post on this entire site where I have referred to you (or anyone for that matter) as a "crack head and a loser"?

I thought we were engaging in intelligent debate. Flat out making shit up about what I've said is ridiculous and crossing the line.[/quote]

I am very sorry. I got you mixed up with another person in the BB thread. Everybody was pileling on me cause I defended what he did and I got you mixed up with the person who started the thread. Again I'm very sorry.

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Gibbs has to admit he made a mistake by bringing in AL. Gibbs is a great coach and offensive mind. Let AL go prove himself somewhere else. If you have the 11th ranked offense in the league why would you change. Mistake. 2004 was only the second year of Gibbs return which means the team was just getting comfortable with the offense. Colts have had the same offense for years that why it is so good. Ok Manning has something to do with that but Gibbs offense is QB friendly. 3 different QBs 3 rings. SAME OFFENSE.

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[quote=Beemnseven;372476]That's a fair point. Good post.

People often forget that Gibbs was originally known as a pass-first coach. Only with Riggins and the talent he had along the O-line did he finally decide to go smashmouth. Bottom line is that he adapted to the personnel that was given to him. Something he needs to do now.

Back in 1992, in the playoff game against Minnesota, there was a stat totalling all of the plays Gibbs had run since 1981. It was perfectly balanced, but with one more pass attempt than running attempt.

No one is suggesting giving up the run. Of course you have to try to run it. But sometimes the passing game can open up the running game. I don't think it would be out of the question to tilt the play selection to something like 55-60% pass to 40-45% run.

I don't think it would signal the apocalypse if they tried that.[/quote]Indeed, Gibbs 1.0 adjusted to personnel on hand (recall that he was a pass happy O-coordinator in SD) when he hitched the wagon to the Hoggs and Riggo. I believe that he has become too stubborn/blind to reality to adjust today. The smashmouth approach looks good on paper today when the O-line is intact. While I don't want an all-pass, all the time approach, becoming more unpredictable, using the passing game to set up the running game, using multiple spread formations, or going no huddle might not be a bad thing given the shorthanded O-line. I fear that if our running game becomes even more predictable, the results will decline even further in the 2nd half of the season with this personnel.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;372477]Sorry, but I've about had it with Joe Bugel and his "tough talk" about "our way or the Trailway".

Excuse me, Assistant Head Coach - Offense Joe, but you've been here for 4 seasons now and have had time to develop all the toughness and dedication you ought to need in your OL. The problem actually is that you managed to acquire/developonly four or five competent offensive linemen and when a couple of them got hurt you had nothing behind them who could get the job done. Oh, that happened in years past too so I guess you didn't learn from those experiences.

You are the legendary "Hog-Master". So, what great offensive lines have you actually developed in the last 15 years? I think the answer to that is zero.

Maybe - just maybe - the Hogs were great because there were at least 3 and maybe 4 outstanding talents on that line at the same time and just about any good line coach could have made them into a dominant unit. In your subsequent stops in the NFL - including your reincarnation here - the offensive lines have been sub-standard most of the time and marginally above average once in a while.

Maybe you should be one of the guys at the Trailways Terminal with bags in hand? Maybe you should be first in line?[/quote]

Buges said something last year about this time like; "It's Joe's team and he's gonna run it how he wants" in reference to the running game. Seemed like a shot at Saunders. This year it's definitely a shot at the players. Maybe the overall problem is simply dissent and lack of discipline & respect for the coaches.

If there is a problem w/players, why does it take till the middle of the year for the coaches to react to it? Maybe Gibbs & Buges are just using the media to try & fire the team up.

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[quote=mheisig;372387]Actually, Matty, that was just a "silly stat line."

I docked myself a few reputation points for using that "silly stat line."[/quote]

Shame on you.

Get outta here with those silly stats will ya?

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Well I just want everyone to know that we are all together on this. If there's one thing I can say, it's that we are all together... all these guys are in this together. Together-ness is how we'll turn this thing around.

Together...

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Well I have to be honest here. I just said in another Post that bringing in Al Saunders was a mistake. I love the tone of this article.

Let me give you my reasons why Al was a mistake. Remember after the 2005 run and playoff loss. I remember after that loss that myself and many others were thinking that if we just had a few more weapons would could really make a run at the SB in 06. Well that didn't happen obviously. One because our d was terrible, but two because our offense had taken a huge step back. We were implimenting a whole new offense.

When you have a team that was built by Gibbs ( a smashmouth running team ) you have players that are made for that. Remember Gibbs put this roster together. These guys do not have that finnesse style offense built into their game. The guys here if you look at them aren't the guys to do that. They won't be. They want to hit you in the mouth.

So do Ilike the tone and sound of the article? Yes. It's what we need. A team that is in it together playing the type of football they like to play.

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I'll like the tone of the article when this works. I liked Saunders coming in but I thought it was too much to bring him in. THe offense Gibbs had in was working he just didn't have more receivers to take the pressure off Moss. Instead of just getting that we got a whole new offense. Which wasn't supposed to be that much of a difference from Gibbs' book. If this "rededication" works then fine if not, then it was all for nothing. Punish the Jets, don't just win but PUNISH the Jets. Impose your will and control the game. Don't just participate, but CONTROL the game.

Hail to The Fuckin Redskins !!!!

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Straight from the Post: "Gibbs has altered the intensity of practice since Sunday's loss. He has spent more time engaged in physical "live" run-blocking and blitz protection drills, and the message delivered again to the players this week resonates like so many since 2004, although the results have been mixed at best. The Redskins remain one of the NFL's predominant teams in rushing attempts, while the league becomes increasingly dominated by spread offenses and dynamic passing attacks."

Two points: 1) If we've been a rushing team, why have we not been pounding in practices (injuries are noted: there is still a way to be physical and safe at practice. 2) EVERYBODY including high schools are running the spread offense and it's a great way to help out the running game. For example, on the 1-3 yard line, spread out the troops (as compared to the same tired jumbo package) and then run it up the gut for a TD...

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[quote=TheCounselor;372687]Straight from the Post: "Gibbs has altered the intensity of practice since Sunday's loss. He has spent more time engaged in physical "live" run-blocking and blitz protection drills, and the message delivered again to the players this week resonates like so many since 2004, although the results have been mixed at best. The Redskins remain one of the NFL's predominant teams in rushing attempts, while the league becomes increasingly dominated by spread offenses and dynamic passing attacks."

Two points: 1) If we've been a rushing team, why have we not been pounding in practices (injuries are noted: there is still a way to be physical and safe at practice. 2) EVERYBODY including high schools are running the spread offense and it's a great way to help out the running game. For example, on the 1-3 yard line, spread out the troops (as compared to the same tired jumbo package) and then run it up the gut for a TD...[/quote]Running out of the spread does not work consistently in the NFL. It's too easy for the defense to attack downhill and clog up the gaps when only 5 people are blocking.

You can throw out of the spread in the NFL with a lot of effectiveness. That said, you can throw out of pretty much any formation with a lot of effectiveness, so I'm not a big fan of the spread in the NFL.

College, yes, you can at least run the QB out of the spread. Not in the NFL.

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[quote=GTripp0012;372688]Running out of the spread does not work consistently in the NFL. It's too easy for the defense to attack downhill and clog up the gaps when only 5 people are blocking.

You can throw out of the spread in the NFL with a lot of effectiveness. That said, you can throw out of pretty much any formation with a lot of effectiveness, so I'm not a big fan of the spread in the NFL.

College, yes, you can at least run the QB out of the spread. Not in the NFL.[/quote]

You can not argue that it does help create space. I'm not saying do it on 80-100% of our run plays. But it sure will not hurt to do it more than we currently do. I watch NE run out of spread formations all the time. Of course it doesn't hurt when you have R. Moss on the outside keeping the safties honest.

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Spread formations can work in the running game, but only on a limited basis (as skinsfan69 noted). I recall seeing Betts (version 06') rip off a few nice runs on draw plays in which the offense was in a spread formation.

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Getting Al Saunders on board wasn't mistake IMO...I mean, he was well qualified, had something in common with Gibbs, plus Gibbs was getting burned out.

What has been a mistake I suppose is the lack of adjustment by Saunders and his inability to recognize what this team can and can't do. To be honest I don't think he has any authority (not his fault) and he doesn't seem to have the respect of the players. I never bought into the whole too many cooks in the kitchen thing but I'm starting to.

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[quote=saden1;372694]Getting Al Saunders on board wasn't mistake IMO...I mean, he was well qualified, had something in common with Gibbs, plus Gibbs was getting burned out.

What has been a mistake I suppose is the lack of adjustment by Saunders and his inability to recognize what this team can and can't do. To be honest I don't think he has any authority (not his fault) and he doesn't seem to have the respect of the players. I never bought into the whole too many cooks in the kitchen thing but I'm starting to.[/quote]

well put, it's hard to put a value on Gibbs' health & endurance in relation to the rigors of the job. We wouldn't want him wearing out from calling plays & that may have been more serious than we know in 04 & 05.

I'm torn on the whole Al experiment, but I agree w/you about the authority & respect from players. Sad thing to me is, w/our o-line banged up, we seem to protect better than run block, and a free Saunders would seem to be the kind of play caller that could mix it up enough to compensate.

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I really really Wish we would spread the field on Offense. we are hurting JC's growth by not letting him go down the damn field more often

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If we are at square one sitting at 5-3 OK.

If the running game keeps rollling as it did yesterday, are passing game WILL follow.

We have to take more shots down field and get JC into a groove, I would like to see him make some big steps in the second half of the season. Hard to believe Al is not calling more deep shots...?

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Running is what we do best, and unless we start passing and getting where we need to go with it, we should stick to running.