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[quote=skinsguy;374868]Through half his first full season, Campbell has lead our team to a winning record....something Ramsey couldn't do for us AND is the bottom line for us. I just hope we're still saying this at the end of the season.[/quote]Ramsey led us within a game of .500 during an 8 game stretch in 2004.

Based on how many other factors go into offense (which only as a total makes up about 3/7ish of the total team) than just the QB, I'd say it's a bit nitpicky to talk about a 1.5 game difference in W/L record.

Hate to bring back Vince Young, but his team is 6-2 and he's been one of the worst QBs in the league thus far this year, and I think it's a great example for a team winning in spite of one player, or a team losing despite the efforts of one player.

I'm not trying to be a Ramsey supporter here, just realistic. What you see is what you get in Pat Ramsey, and it just seems that no one is really sure what exactly they saw in him. Some people are sworn to swear he was the worst QB this team ever saw and others think that with development he would have been the greatest. Reality says that neither of these positions has much basis, and that Ramsey fell about directly in the middle.

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Detroit was ahead 6-0 in a close game when Ramsey came in to replace Cutler in the second quarter.
Final score 44-7, 3 sacks, 1 int for TD, 2 fumbles. Same old Ramsey- holds on to the ball too long, gets sacked to much and gives up a lot of turnovers. while throwing for a lot of yards.
The worst regular season loss in 20 years for Denver.
Enough said.
Ramsey fans should not be proud.

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[quote=Defensewins;374877]Detroit was ahead 6-0 in a close game when Ramsey came in to replace Cutler in the second quarter.
Final score 44-7, 3 sacks, 1 int for TD, 2 fumbles. Same old Ramsey- holds on to the ball too long, gets sacked to much and gives up a lot of turnovers. while throwing for a lot of yards.
The worst regular season loss in 20 years for Denver.
Enough said.
Ramsey fans should not be proud.[/quote]Good: An outstanding 7-13 on third down, a majority of them third and longs.

Bad: Turned the ball over 3 times.

Denver lost worse 3 weeks ago, btw.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;374872]Ramsey led us within a game of .500 during an 8 game stretch in 2004.

Based on how many other factors go into offense (which only as a total makes up about 3/7ish of the total team) than just the QB, I'd say it's a bit nitpicky to talk about a 1.5 game difference in W/L record.

Hate to bring back Vince Young, but his team is 6-2 and he's been one of the worst QBs in the league thus far this year, and I think it's a great example for a team winning in spite of one player, or a team losing despite the efforts of one player.

I'm not trying to be a Ramsey supporter here, just realistic. What you see is what you get in Pat Ramsey, and it just seems that no one is really sure what exactly they saw in him. Some people are sworn to swear he was the worst QB this team ever saw and others think that with development he would have been the greatest. Reality says that neither of these positions has much basis, and that Ramsey fell about directly in the middle.[/QUOTE]

Ramsey might be a Rich Gannon. A QB that spends much of his career trying to find himself until he finds the right team and the right situation. But the Redskins just was not the team for him. I feel much better with Jason Campbell than what I did with Patrick Ramsey. Don't get me wrong, I think Pat is probably a great guy and he deserves to find his place in the NFL, but I think it's a moot point in discussing Patrick Ramsey as it is now.

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One thing that you can't critique Gibbs for if you know your stuff is how he handled his QB situation since hes been back. He has dealt with 3 QBs since his return, and in pretty much every situation, has always played the guy who was best suited for the job.

He went against the grain twice, but it really paid off for him.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;374884]One thing that you can't critique Gibbs for if you know your stuff is how he handled his QB situation since hes been back. He has dealt with 3 QBs since his return, and in pretty much every situation, has always played the guy who was best suited for the job.

He went against the grain twice, but it really paid off for him.[/QUOTE]

:confused: :stop:

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[quote=SmootSmack;374824]What do you mean "the equivalent of" Do you just mean 22 games?[/quote]

He played in 31 games, but often for only brief appearances. Brunell also had a few quarters off, which I have factored in. I haven't had to make adjustments for Campbell.

The interesting things to me are:

Ramsey's record with the Skins for the first 22 games is similiar to Elway's first 22.

Some people on this site insist that Ramsey was never a first-string calibre quarterback inspite of the fact that his record with the Skins was better than Green's, Gus', Jason's, Tony's, Shane's, Sage's, Mark's, etc.

Ramsey is the top Redskin ground gainer of the 21st century and actually played less than a season and a half.

Skins fan were generally in agreement that Ramsey was the Skins' offense and one of the best risings stars in the league until Gibbs brought in Brunell and Gibbs needed defending.

What followed was the greatest fan distortion of reality I have ever seen in sports. Ramsey had to be trashed so Gibbs could be an infallible God.

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:Smoker:

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[quote=SmootSmack;374478]Garbage time in that game? What, the Lions game? Ramsey came in at the start of the 2nd half and the score was just 6-0 Lions.

By the way, how do you feel about your best (only?) friend here being a hippie liberal?[/quote]

Get your generations straight. Hippies came after my generation. I was of the Beat Generation and my lifestyle was Bohemian.

You kids, these days. First, you can't find Canada on a map, and now this!

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;374921]He played in 31 games, but often for only brief appearances. Brunell also had a few quarters off, which I have factored in. I haven't had to make adjustments for Campbell.

The interesting things to me are:

Ramsey's record with the Skins for the first 22 games is similiar to Elway's first 22.

Some people on this site insist that Ramsey was never a first-string calibre quarterback inspite of the fact that his record with the Skins was better than Green's, Gus', Jason's, Tony's, Shane's, Sage's, Mark's, etc.

Ramsey is the top Redskin ground gainer of the 21st century and actually played less than a season and a half.

Skins fan were generally in agreement that Ramsey was the Skins' offense and one of the best risings stars in the league until Gibbs brought in Brunell and Gibbs needed defending.

What followed was the greatest fan distortion of reality I have ever seen in sports. Ramsey had to be trashed so Gibbs could be an infallible God.[/QUOTE]

So did you not count the games where he played only briefly?

The top ground gainer of the 21st century? What???

As for the whole "Ramsey had to be trashed" bull, that's not even worth discussing. It's beyond stupid.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;374821]Ramsey threw for 5669 yards in the equivalent of 22 games. He did it for a team that didn't assign enough pass blockers as policy and had bad receivers, the best being Rod Gardner, who couldn't catch the ball and was nicknamed 50-50.

Brunell had 5021 yards in the equivalent of 33 games and was throwing to Cooley and Moss (when Moss was a top threat) and the OL was tough.

Campbell has thrown for 2817 in 15 games, far off Ramsey's pace, inspite of being blessed with better receivers (at least last year.)[/quote]

LOL are you for real?

I gave you their W-L records and QB ratings and you come back with a meaningless yardage argument?

Wow. :doh:

Well, I will give you credit for adding some stats to your argument (worthless as they may be) rather than just throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;374935]So did you not count the games where he played only briefly?

[B]The top ground gainer of the 21st century? What???[/B]

As for the whole "Ramsey had to be trashed" bull, that's not even worth discussing. It's beyond stupid.[/quote]

C'mon wake up, didn't you know that Ramsey is also a nasty RB who lead the league in yardage a few years ago?!

LOL this thread is really getting hilarious.

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Has anyone's opinion been swayed with these Ramsey discussion's? It's like watching someone argue with a painting. Of course, that doesn't say a lot about the fool (me) who can't stop watching the other fool arguing with the artpiece.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;374948]Has anyone's opinion been swayed with these Ramsey discussion's? It's like watching someone argue with a painting. Of course, that doesn't say a lot about the fool (me) who can't stop watching the other fool arguing with the artpiece.[/quote]

Sage observations!

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;374948]Has anyone's opinion been swayed with these Ramsey discussion's? It's like watching someone argue with a painting. Of course, that doesn't say a lot about the fool (me) who can't stop watching the other fool arguing with the artpiece.[/QUOTE]

I was going to say it was more like arguing with a rock, but I see your point.

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Okay, let's talk about how nasty David Patten is in NO now!

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I'm not going to read all these Ramsey post because I have read them all before. If Ramsey was that good why is he not starting after 2 years away from DC? I guess all the other coaches (thats head and QB coaches) that have not given him a chance or the ones that have he cannot get the starting job? I guess there are allot of coaches who are as dumb as our coaching staff. If you want to throw up his yards also include pass attempts, TD's, Ints to go allong with those yards.

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[quote=70Chip;374778]Too often, people pretend that Beathard never made a bad decision. He made a lot of them. Nobody bats 1.000 when it comes to personell.

As for Ramsey - never was, never will be, was never going to be a good QB in this league. The only people that will argue otherwise at this point are him, his wife, his agent, his banker, his mom, his dad, his pastor, his high school coach, and Offiss. I've never seen such devotion in a droid before.[/quote]

I'll never ever forget Tory Nixon.

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The thread that will not die!

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;375005]I'll never ever forget Tory Nixon.[/QUOTE]

How about Walter Murray, Wally Kleine, and Rafel Cherry

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[quote=SmootSmack;375020]How about Walter Murray, Wally Kleine, and Rafel Cherry[/quote]

BB was a great GM for us. But like every GM in the NFL he sure had his share of busts. I'm not sure if you can confirm this or not but I remember hearing a story that BB wanted to prove to everyone that a white corner could play in the NFL. And that is why he drafted Nixon and Brian Davis. I think I heard this from one of the former Redskins on Sports Net or on the raido one day but I can't confirm it with an article.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;374994].....If you want to throw up his yards also include pass attempts, TD's, Ints to go along with those yards.[/QUOTE]

But that would make him look bad. Oh wait, he is bad.
Ramsey could not beat out a Qb with a torn rotator cuff and a rookie in NY.
He could not beat out basically another rookie on Denver.
How can they not see Ramsey's incredible talent?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;375022]BB was a great GM for us. But like every GM in the NFL he sure had his share of busts. I'm not sure if you can confirm this or not but I remember hearing a story that BB wanted to prove to everyone that a white corner could play in the NFL. And that is why he drafted Nixon and Brian Davis. I think I heard this from one of the former Redskins on Sports Net or on the raido one day but I can't confirm it with an article.[/QUOTE]

Never heard that

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So who's picking up Ramsey for their fantasy team this week?

He is, after all, the greatest Redskins ground gainer of the 21st century so for all of us who have lost Larry Johnson...

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[quote=Defensewins;374877]Detroit was ahead 6-0 in a close game when Ramsey came in to replace Cutler in the second quarter.
Final score 44-7, 3 sacks, 1 int for TD, 2 fumbles. Same old Ramsey- holds on to the ball too long, gets sacked to much and gives up a lot of turnovers. while throwing for a lot of yards.
The worst regular season loss in 20 years for Denver.
Enough said.
Ramsey fans should not be proud.[/quote]

What? You mean that Ramsey gave up 44 points. I didn't even know he played defense.

What? You mean the offensive line's failure to block had nothing to do with the sacks?

What? You mean that Campbell and Brunell and other qb's don't fumble when they're creamed.

Same old dung colored glasses. One standard for Ramsey, another for Brunell and Campbell. Fact, Ramsey throws better than Brunell and as well as Campbell.

Campbell's a great prospect trying to break through. I love the guy. There was zero excuse for playing Brunell.

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LOL pure insanity