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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;377529]Smooty you goof, we just lost ST for two weeks. You think Romo is going to blow it in Dallas? Kool Aid my ass!!!!!!!! You must be smokin some high powered crack from the streets of DC!!!!!!! Crazy man, just crazy!!!!!! If we pull it off somehow it will be the greatest upset in the history of what is left of this rivalry. Dallas is going to score 35 points on us without ST though, so if you think we are going to win JC better throw 6 TDs.[/QUOTE]

Well when I started this thread, I didn't know the status of Taylor's injury. But the point of this thread, as pointed out by Lady Brave and RobH4413, among others, was to get some positive vibes going on this site.

I think there should be more threads like the ones 12thMan and skinsfan242 did today about "Perspective" and "Good and Bad" (though esentially the same thread). We're not 9-0, we're not 0-9. We're 5-4, a decent team with vast room for improvement. I'm not happy that we lost, I'm never happy when the team loses but one of the reasons I joined this site was to be able to come one after a win or loss and discuss intelligently with fellow fans.

Instead it's become so that the worst part about losing isn't the loss, but the reactions of so many members here. When we lose we get "rediculously" stupid threads and every other person here wants to end their own life it seems and insult anyone who dares to have any hope.

It is, as I've mentioned throughout the site, going to be very difficult to beat the Cowboys this weekend. Impossible? No. Difficult. Absolutely. I'd like, and I'm sure others would too, to be able to discuss the upcoming game rationally.

But if there's going to such extreme negativism it seems the only way to respond is with the total opposite. Damn shame that there is so much wasted knowledge on this site lately.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;377562]Well when I started this thread, I didn't know the status of Taylor's injury. But the point of this thread, as pointed out by Lady Brave and RobH4413, among others, was to get some positive vibes going on this site.

I think there should be more threads like the ones 12thMan and skinsfan242 did today about "Perspective" and "Good and Bad" (though esentially the same thread). We're not 9-0, we're not 0-9. We're 5-4, a decent team with vast room for improvement. I'm not happy that we lost, I'm never happy when the team loses but one of the reasons I joined this site was to be able to come one after a win or loss and discuss intelligently with fellow fans.

Instead it's become so that the worst part about losing isn't the loss, but the reactions of so many members here. When we lose we get "rediculously" stupid threads and every other person here wants to end their own life it seems and insult anyone who dares to have any hope.

It is, as I've mentioned throughout the site, going to be very difficult to beat the Cowboys this weekend. Impossible? No. Difficult. Absolutely. I'd like, and I'm sure others would too, to be able to discuss the upcoming game rationally.

But if there's going to such extreme negativism it seems the only way to respond is with the total opposite. Damn shame that there is so much wasted knowledge on this site lately.[/QUOTE]

As always SS, you have a way of putting it that makes perfect sense.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;377562]
It is, as I've mentioned throughout the site, going to be very difficult to beat the Cowboys this weekend. Impossible? No. Difficult. Absolutely. I'd like, and I'm sure others would too, to be able to discuss the upcoming game rationally.

But if there's going to such extreme negativism it seems the only way to respond is with the total opposite. Damn shame that there is so much wasted knowledge on this site lately.[/QUOTE]

Exactly why I wrote what I wrote right above this post!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;377545]Throwing logic out the window for fantasy is exactly the reason our nation is in a sorry ass state. And if everyone on the thread/site/blog was always like Yeah Redskins #1 all the time it would get boring after awhile. I see your point Rob, but a message board blog that says the same stuff all the time gets rather boring. The debate is what makes a blog or message board interesting and fun. I mean half the time I say shoot from the hip stuff just to get folks going. It is rather fun to be honest!!!!! Everyone here, with maybe a few folks, will cheer for the Skins no matter what even if they don't think the Skins realistically have a chance.[/quote]
I'm not saying don't debate. Quite the contrary. I'm saying this thread was intended for some positivity, and people just jumped all over it. That's pretty much what my post was about. I'm just annoyed by so much irrational flagrant negativity (See every FIRE GIBBS/SAUNDERS/WILLIAMS/etc. threads and the arguments contained in those posts).

I love elevated discourse, and I hold the likes of Gtripp, Matty, SS, Jsarno, EQ (yes even quake), Schneed, Sheriff, etc. etc. highly, not because they're right all the time, and not because they're wrong all the time. It's just how they're right and wrong.

You see it over and over again. Arguments, supported by facts, supported by statistics/theories/evidence. It's what makes this site great. It's one of the best part's of being a fan. It's something that's been lacking recently. There are like 5 million other threads to bash the skins via angry nonsensical rants... This particular one just kind of irked me.

Anyways, Happy posting everyone. I'm out to get my drink on... (and not post while drunk... another key virtue rarely seen amongst the WP community)

-Nite

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;377150]Will we? who knows really. Any given Sunday. But yesterday was so frustrating; there were so many positives we can take from the game (running game is back, the passing game can succeed without Moss, Campbell's growth) but in the end we came out with an L. It sucks, of course it sucks, no fan enjoys losing.

But what's even more frustrating is that it seems we can't even come onto this site, a REDSKINS FAN SITE, to boost our spirits and rally around our team. Instead, we have the usual "Joe must go" "This team is heading in the wrong direction" thread. Sad part is we even get those after wins. You'd think we'd never won a game ever the way some people talk.

So, call me crazy, call this thread 'retarded' all you want, but it's high time we got some more positive vibes going here. Of course, I know there will be those "I'm just being a realist" responses. But the reality is that we're 5-4 and plenty of teams around the NFL are in worse shape than us. And there is a lot to feel good about 9 games into the season. That so few people see that on a Redskins fan site is a shame.

Call it bold, call it stupid. But I'm saying right here right now that the Redskins will be 6-4 after next Sunday. Someone has to think positive, it might as well be me. If we lose, I'll use the infamous Parrot avatar for two weeks. If we win, I'm banning 10 of you for two weeks ;)

I'm about to do a Kool-Aid keg stand, who's with me?[/QUOTE]

Hell yeah...pass some this way. If you really do attract what you think about, then we will lose for sure...we need more people thinking we will win.
We're GONNA WIN! You heard it here first! We can beat them!!!!

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YO TMC pass the blunt!

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I like the vibes so I'm gonna keep it positive. I'm really liking some of the things our offense is doing right now. Campbell is obviously more than capable of being a very good signal caller and leader. I'm concerned about the fumbles, but the offense has been playing very well since the NE debacle. We need to let it all hang out against Dallas. I want to see an all out effort. Spread the offense. Jump head first into that 700 page playbook and have some fun. Take some pressure off the banged up defense for once. We gotta come to butt heads and have fun. Let's make the odds makers look like A-Holes for making us 11 point dogs.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;377613]I like the vibes so I'm gonna keep it positive. I'm really liking some of the things our offense is doing right now. [B]Campbell is obviously more than capable of being a very good signal caller and leader.[/B] I'm concerned about the fumbles, but the offense has been playing very well since the NE debacle. We need to let it all hang out against Dallas. I want to see an all out effort. Spread the offense. Jump head first into that 700 page playbook and have some fun. Take some pressure off the banged up defense for once. We gotta come to butt heads and have fun. Let's make the odds makers look like A-Holes for making us 11 point dogs.[/QUOTE]

That was probably the most encouraging aspect of Sunday's game. If this is what he looks like with 16 games under his belt, I can't wait to see what he will do in a year or so. And if JC turns out to be the QB we've longed for, all front office shortcomings or coaching woes go right out the window.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;377534]Lions are about to slide a bit Sheriff. NY and GB are going to beat the shit out of them, then I believe they get Dallas next after that. NEVER use the Lions as a gage of a good team. They have teased us up here in Detroit for years only to blow it somehow along the way. To be honest, the NFL is in a sorry ass state now with only literally a few teams playing anything resembling decent football(GB, Dallas,NE, and INdy) The rest of the squads are a lot like us with injuries or schmucks not performing. IF we do beat Dallas this year, it will be in Fedex with the Boys resting Romo, TO, and the gang getting ready for the playoffs. It sucks rocks, but that is what it looks like. We just are in a sorry ass state as of now as a team. We seem to lose a starter every week now.[/quote]We beat the Eagles in week 2 on the road. That's a quality win as much as one can be.

Their defensive struggles aside, they showed the world what they could do offensively against us. They are a really good 4-5 and to be one of those 5...even if we didn't hold the lead this week, we played them tough twice.

We haven't seen a lot of quality teams this year, but Pats game aside, we brought it every time we did see one.

Of course, that's like 3 games in which we are 1-2, but that aint bad if you are going to eliminate easy competition from the equation. This team is miles above last year's team on the defensive side of the ball.

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Matt, do we have a bet too?

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Not sure anyone actually reads my posts, but I usually throw in jibes at the kool-aid drinkers because, well...it's easy and those avatars are ridiculous (Hey! I can spell!).

However, for one week, and one week only, I'll belly up to the bar and help kick the kool-aid keg(s). Support the team I've loved since I was old enough to pick up a football and do the Heisman pose. It's so easy to be negative about this team, their lack of ability to finish off teams, the injuries. However, this team has equaled their win total from all of last year already...the potential is there, they just have to execute.

And what better way than to do it on the career-killing turf of Texas Stadium.

Oh, and I've elected RobH to be my official spokesman this week...so direct any and all questions to him, as I'll be too busy trying to get the kool-aid mustache off my face.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;377714]Not sure anyone actually reads my posts, but I usually throw in jibes at the kool-aid drinkers because, well...it's easy and those avatars are ridiculous (Hey! I can spell!).

However, for one week, and one week only, I'll belly up to the bar and help kick the kool-aid keg(s). Support the team I've loved since I was old enough to pick up a football and do the Heisman pose. It's so easy to be negative about this team, their lack of ability to finish off teams, the injuries. However, this team has equaled their win total from all of last year already...the potential is there, they just have to execute.

And what better way than to do it on the career-killing turf of Texas Stadium.

Oh, and I've elected RobH to be my official spokesman this week...so direct any and all questions to him, as I'll be too busy trying to get the kool-aid mustache off my face.[/quote]
I did read your post :D.

I don't know if it was mentioned or not, but I think fans should realize that JC is partly to blame for all this. I listen to the John Thompson show and he was saying that people are sort of affraid of pointing fingers at JC.

JC is young, sure, but he has been playing for a while now. When is he going to develope to a good QB? He hasn't been making good decision by holding the ball or over-throwing (sometimes wide open) receivers.

If the Skins will have any chance, it will be with JC stepping up and making good decisions and good throws. To borrow from your post:

And what better way than to do it on the career-[B]building[/B] turf of Texas Stadium.

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[quote=TheBigD;377723]I don't know if it was mentioned or not, but I think fans should realize that JC is partly to blame for all this. I listen to the John Thompson show and he was saying that people are sort of affraid of pointing fingers at JC.

JC is young, sure, but he has been playing for a while now. When is he going to develope to a good QB? He hasn't been making good decision by holding the ball or over-throwing (sometimes wide open) receivers.
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I don't think anyone is afraid to point fingers at Campbell's performance. Most of us are just willing to let him take his lumps since he's been showing promise.

And considering he's just recently started his 16th game, I think he's ahead of schedule when compared to a lot of other young starters like Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, etc.

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[quote=TheBigD;377723]I did read your post :D.

I don't know if it was mentioned or not, but I think fans should realize that JC is partly to blame for all this. I listen to the John Thompson show and he was saying that people are sort of affraid of pointing fingers at JC.

JC is young, sure, but he has been playing for a while now. When is he going to develope to a good QB? He hasn't been making good decision by holding the ball or over-throwing (sometimes wide open) receivers.

If the Skins will have any chance, it will be with JC stepping up and making good decisions and good throws. To borrow from your post:

And what better way than to do it on the career-[B]building[/B] turf of Texas Stadium.[/quote]

JC has 16 starts under his belt now... when is he going to develop into a good QB?? I guess you missed last week? He's well on his way.

I honestly don't understand anyone who can look at what he's done so far and not come away pleased with his progress.

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[quote=Southpaw;377730]I don't think anyone is afraid to point fingers at Campbell's performance. Most of us are just willing to let him take his lumps since he's been showing promise.

And considering he's just recently started his 16th game, I think he's ahead of schedule when compared to a lot of other young starters like Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, etc.[/quote]

Don't forget Peyton...he had a horrible first 16 games in his first starts. Something like 23 ints(?)

Campbell looks pretty damn good for a QB his age, experience and caliber. Not ready to annoint him "the next coming" but admittedly he shows a lot of promise.

I think he has been held back a bit especially in the red zone, he has shown good poise and deicision making when they allow him to throw in the red zone. But as evident this past Sunday, there seems to be a strong aversion to passing the ball inside the 20 and Gibbs wants to just pound it in. I seem to remember that costing the Redskins a couple of games in the second half this year. Division games too.

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You think we can beat Dallas , or TB for that matter, without Sean Taylor?

I dont think we have a better than 10% chance of winning against D, or more than 25% against TB on the road .. yes he means that much to us, he doesnt go down, we dont lose the game against PHI

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[quote=heybigstar;377747]You think we can beat Dallas , or TB for that matter, without Sean Taylor?

I dont think we have a better than 10% chance of winning against D, or more than 25% against TB on the road[/quote]

You may be right about Dallas, but my Kool-Aid induced optimism tells me that Tampa Bay is benefiting tremendously from playing in a crappy division, and are not as good as their record.

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[quote=Southpaw;377730]I don't think anyone is afraid to point fingers at Campbell's performance. Most of us are just willing to let him take his lumps since he's been showing promise.

And considering he's just recently started his 16th game, I think he's ahead of schedule when compared to a lot of other young starters like Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, etc.[/quote]
Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc. [quote=Mattyk72;377743]JC has 16 starts under his belt now... when is he going to develop into a good QB?? I guess you missed last week? He's well on his way.

I honestly don't understand anyone who can look at what he's done so far and not come away pleased with his progress.[/quote]
Good QBs, IMO at least, will take advantage of mistakes and mis-reads of the other team's D. JC seems to miss some wide open receivers or throw it where the receiver has a slim chance of catching it. Yes, he doesn't throw it into tight coverage, and that is very much evident in his INT numbers. Sometimes in every game, though, you have to take chances. You can't just play it safe all the time and throw passes where either your guy will get it or no one will.

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[quote=TheBigD;377770]Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc. [/quote]

Because that's unrealistic. Every year, there are about 10 new starters for teams around the league. Out of those 10, maybe one emerges as an instant success. Last year it was Romo, this year it appears to be Anderson. I have don't care that Campbell didn't immediately light the world on fire. He's showing tremendous potiential and I think he'll be able to put up Roethlisberger or Palmer type numbers very soon.

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[quote=TheBigD;377770]Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc.[/quote]

What sense does it make to compare someone with 16 career starts to someone like Brady who's an 8 year veteran??

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[quote=TheBigD;377770]Why not compare him to good QBs like Brady, Ben Roethlisberger..etc.
Good QBs, IMO at least, will take advantage of mistakes and mis-reads of the other team's D. JC seems to miss some wide open receivers or throw it where the receiver has a slim chance of catching it. Yes, he doesn't throw it into tight coverage, and that is very much evident in his INT numbers. Sometimes in every game, though, you have to take chances. You can't just play it safe all the time and throw passes where either your guy will get it or no one will.[/quote]


it seems to be forgotten, Campbell has only played 1 full season. The reads he seems miss right now come with time. No one in their 1st full season is like a seasoned vet reading all the coverages and mistakes. Campbell to me is a very good young QB. He is doing what is being asked of him. He plays in a very conservative offense and has limited shots at making things happen down the field. He has shown when given the opportunities to throw more than usual he is more than capable of making plays. Problem is Joe doesn't want him throwing the ball 30 to 35 times a game. he looked to be in good rhythm against Philly for the most part of the game, especially when they spread it out.
Another thing to concider is we dont have that 6'2'' + receiver to go up and get the ball for Jason to throw one or two of those types of passes per game. Teams like NE, Dallas have those big receivers that can out jump the DB's. Nothing against Moss, but he's as tall as most of the DB's and I personally wouldn't be comfortable with those toss up passes. Joe showed more confidence in him this week as far as throwing the ball more, and calling his own plays in hurry up, that hopefully we can build on that week to week. We have the potential of putting some points up on the board, if Jason is allowed to play the QB position.

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Just like the Eagles was fired up after losing against the Cowboys last week. They came in Redskins stadium and won.

The Redskins lost against the Eagles at home and they are fired up. The Redskins will win at Texas Stadium!

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[quote=Mattyk72;377786]What sense does it make to compare someone with 16 career starts to someone like Brady who's an 8 year veteran??[/quote]I think you didn't get what I was trying to say. I meant compare him to Brady or Roethlisberger(sp) after 16 games into their careers.

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[quote=TheBigD;377808]I think you didn't get what I was trying to say. I meant compare him to Brady or Roethlisberger(sp) after 16 games into their careers.[/quote]

See my response.

[quote=Southpaw;377782]Because that's unrealistic. Every year, there are about 10 new starters for teams around the league. Out of those 10, maybe one emerges as an instant success. Last year it was Romo, this year it appears to be Anderson. I have don't care that Campbell didn't immediately light the world on fire. He's showing tremendous potiential and I think he'll be able to put up Roethlisberger or Palmer type numbers very soon. [/quote]

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[quote=NinjaLink;377798]Just like the Eagles was fired up after losing against the Cowboys last week. They came in Redskins stadium and won.

The Redskins lost against the Eagles at home and they are fired up. The Redskins will win at Texas Stadium![/quote]Except Dallas seems to own the second half and the Redskins are trying to stay awake the second half from all the somewhat boring and very conservative paly-calling.

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[quote=Southpaw;377812]See my response.[/quote]I know you got it, I wast trying to tell him that.

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[quote=TheBigD;377813]Except Dallas seems to own the second half and the Redskins are trying to stay awake the second half from all the somewhat boring and very conservative paly-calling.[/quote]

Honestly, unless the Cowboys put up Patriot-like numbers on offense (which somehow I think they will :doh:) playing from behind seems to be the best thing for the Redskins.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;377817]Honestly, unless the Cowboys put up Patriot-like numbers on offense (which somehow I think they will :doh:) playing from behind seems to be the best thing for the Redskins.[/quote]How is that the BEST thing for the Redskins?

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Because if we're leading we basically start running the ball every down and attempt to run out with clock with 30 minutes left in the second half.

It's very exciting to watch, you'll see...

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[quote=TheBigD;377808]I think you didn't get what I was trying to say. I meant compare him to Brady or Roethlisberger(sp) after 16 games into their careers.[/quote]That's an unfair comparison. Brady and Roethlisberger both played for great teams. Campbell compares quite favorably to young QBs of teams stuck in the mediocre middle of the NFL. I've seen enough to feel that Campbell will be a star in this league.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;377835]Because if we're leading we basically start running the ball every down and attempt to run out with clock with 30 minutes left in the second half.

It's very exciting to watch, you'll see...[/quote]You make a good point. I don't think that will help the Redskins in the Cowboys game though. If they get too far behind, aint no catching em. But if they do try to pass alot and get something going, maybe that will help in the upcoming games.

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[quote=SouperMeister;377838]That's an unfair comparison. Brady and Roethlisberger both played for great teams. Campbell compares quite favorably to young QBs of teams stuck in the mediocre middle of the NFL. I've seen enough to feel that Campbell will be a star in this league.[/quote]Pittsburgh was not a great team when Roethlisberger was inserted into the starting line-up. Maddox made the team look average at best. Ben helped them win games and led them to a championship.

Besides, the Skins are not a "medicre" team. The D is a really good one. Tell me which game did the D get blown out other than the NE game (which we all know can't be stopped). The offense is not helping out. Whether it is the play-calling, WRs or lack their of, or simply the coaching staff not seeing enough in JC in practice to take a chance during the game is a whole another issue.

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[quote=TheBigD;377842]Pittsburgh was not a great team when Roethlisberger was inserted into the starting line-up. Maddox made the team look average at best. Ben helped them win games and led them to a championship.

Besides, the Skins are not a "medicre" team. The D is a really good one. Tell me which game did the D get blown out other than the NE game (which we all know can't be stopped). The offense is not helping out. Whether it is the play-calling, WRs or lack their of, or simply the coaching staff not seeing enough in JC in practice to take a chance during the game is a whole another issue.[/quote]Pittsburgh had an outstanding O-line, a still-productive Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, Randle El and a pretty damn strong D when Roethlisberger was a rookie. Of course Ben was a huge upgrade from Tommy Maddox, as Jason Campbell would be over Maddox as well.

As for mediocrity, I'd say that the Skins have pretty well defined the term for the last 15 years with the exception of '99 and '05. I don't think it's fair to pin all offensive shortcomings this season on Campbell given the O-line injuries plus Moss's week to week status being up in the air.

A final point, you lumped Campbell's overthrows in your earlier criticism of his decision making. Making a good read but a poor throw does not constitute a poor decision - that is a breakdown in execution. He executed deep throws beautifully to Thrash twice and Randle El (a drop) this past game.

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[quote=SouperMeister;377848]Pittsburgh had an outstanding O-line, a still-productive Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, Randle El and a pretty damn strong D when Roethlisberger was a rookie. Of course Ben was a huge upgrade from Tommy Maddox, as Jason Campbell would be over Maddox as well.

As for mediocrity, I'd say that the Skins have pretty well defined the term for the last 15 years with the exception of '99 and '05. I don't think it's fair to pin all offensive shortcomings this season on Campbell given the O-line injuries plus Moss's week to week status being up in the air.

A final point, you lumped Campbell's overthrows in your earlier criticism of his decision making. Making a good read but a poor throw does not constitute a poor decision - that is a breakdown in execution. He executed deep throws beautifully to Thrash twice and Randle El (a drop) this past game.[/quote]While it is true that the O line has been decimated with injuries, that shouldn't be used as an excuse. The guys that replaced them didn't fall of the turnip truck, I am sure they played football before.

You are right the JC shouldn't be blamed for all the offensive shortcomings, but at least for some. Everyone tends to omit him from the blame game that goes around after a loss. He seems to be protected from any criticism.

About his execution, I just can't forget the wide open Moss who beat the Jets DB and JC simply overthrew him. Lloyd was open last game and could have had a touchdown if the ball was thrown better. Like I said before, JC throws those deep passes with one thing in mind "no INTs".

Anyways, this whole thing started because posters compared him to Alex Smith, Rex, and Leinart. I just asked why compare him to those guys, do you want him to end up like any of those mentioned?

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[quote=TheBigD;377861]...
Anyways, this whole thing started because posters compared him to Alex Smith, Rex, and Leinart. I just asked why compare him to those guys, do you want him to end up like any of those mentioned?[/quote]Of that group, I only see Leinart possibly ending up on par with Campbell, since he has 2 great WRs plus a 6'8" TE that the Arizona offense is just beginning to discover. Give Campbell another year in this offense, and I believe you'll see him make that quantum leap. He threw the ball with accuracy and confidence against Philly, so I'm hoping Saunders/Gibbs start to give him more freedom to make plays.

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[quote=TheBigD;377861]While it is true that the O line has been decimated with injuries, that shouldn't be used as an excuse. The guys that replaced them didn't fall of the turnip truck, I am sure they played football before.

You are right the JC shouldn't be blamed for all the offensive shortcomings, but at least for some. Everyone tends to omit him from the blame game that goes around after a loss. He seems to be protected from any criticism.

About his execution, I just can't forget the wide open Moss who beat the Jets DB and JC simply overthrew him. Lloyd was open last game and could have had a touchdown if the ball was thrown better. Like I said before, JC throws those deep passes with one thing in mind "no INTs".

Anyways, this whole thing started because posters compared him to Alex Smith, Rex, and Leinart. I just asked why compare him to those guys, do you want him to end up like any of those mentioned?[/quote]

I think JC has showed more a lot more promise than Leinart, Alex Smith, and Jay Cutler. He's certainly playing much better right now than Madden coverboy Vince Young. He has a rifle arm and is steadily improving. Plus, inside the redzone his numbers are spectacular. Brady-esque. Redzone: He has 9TDs passing, 1 rushing TD, 64% completions, 0 INTs, and a rating of 115.7. That's poise.

Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs in his first 16 games. Campbell has 19 TDs and only 13 INTs in his first 16. "When is he going to develop into a good QB" you ask? Umm, turn on the TV each Sunday. It's happening.

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[quote=TheBigD;377842]
Besides, the Skins are not a "medicre" team. The D is a really good one. Tell me which game did the D get blown out other than the NE game (which we all know can't be stopped). The offense is not helping out. Whether it is the play-calling, WRs or lack their of, or simply the coaching staff not seeing enough in JC in practice to take a chance during the game is a whole another issue.[/quote]


Without Taylor the defense is very average. The schemes we were using were designed around his abilities. It will be tough to deal with the Cowboys passing game with that limitation. I can't imagine a worse injury to have going in to this game.

If we are to have a chance we need Dallas to mail this one in like they did against Buffalo AND get some extra luck to go with it.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;377888][B]Without Taylor the defense is very average. [/B] The schemes we were using were designed around his abilities. It will be tough to deal with the Cowboys passing game with that limitation. I can't imagine a worse injury to have going in to this game.

If we are to have a chance we need Dallas to mail this one in like they did against Buffalo AND get some extra luck to go with it.[/QUOTE]


Is it just me, or does it seem that whenever we lose just one guy on defense everything falls apart? Last year it was Springs, and the D completely collapsed. Against Philly, Sean Taylor goes out, and the Eagles are running up and down the field practially at will.

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Well, I never got a reply from Mattyk, so I guess the only bet that's on is with Smootsmack.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;377958]Is it just me, or does it seem that whenever we lose just one guy on defense everything falls apart? Last year it was Springs, and the D completely collapsed. Against Philly, Sean Taylor goes out, and the Eagles are running up and down the field practially at will.[/QUOTE]

Last year our D was awful, regardless of Springs. This year the D is really inconsistent and looks like it will have serious problems. Then again, they've got injuries to Rogers, Smoot, Taylor, Washington, and Griffin.