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[quote=Skins_FanFL;383025]Hopefully the figures line up correctly below. Guess who each group of stat lines belong to?

[B]G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT[/B]

11 | 155 293 52.9 1749 6.0 9 18
15 | 226 399 56.6 2579 6.5 11 18

7 | 110 207 53.1 1297 6.3 10 6
11 | 219 364 60.2 2384 6.4 22 16


Top - Troy Aikman in his first 26 games.
Bottom - JC in his first 18.

Draw your own conclusions. I was going to say the JC is playing like any 2nd year QB. But he is actually playing a little better. His decision-making needs to improve in the red zone; but this can be the fallout of so much being placed on his shoulders.

Soley resoponsible for the loss to the Bucs? No.

Two veterans combining for three lost fumbles. All leading to points, two inside their own 20-yard line. If you're a finger pointing type...[/quote]
Ok, if it was forth down with no time left and we are on the two yard line and call a running play. Moss is split wide left and is not a factor on the play and we make the TD and Moss gets called for a holding penalty and we then lose the game who's fault would it be for the loss?

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[quote=redsk1;383018]It's pretty damn stupid to say JC was the sole reason for this loss. Did anyone watch the game? A number of mistakes accounted for today's loss. Did JC have a couple? Yes. Did he have all of them? No.

He's very young and inexperienced as NFL Qb's go. Let's wait a little while before we pass judgement either way. I like the 300 yard game again. I like his poise and leadership. And I like the fact that he is much better than last year. I have a feeling he'll work his butt off in the offseason and come out better than this year.

I think some people think he should just step right in and be the second coming of Joe Montana...Be realistic. Have a little more patience. He is showing some signs of good things.[/quote]

I agree.

JC has to take some of the blame of course for yesterday, but he is in no way solely responsible.

All year Moss and Portis have fumbled and/or dropped passes in critical spots and frankly it's getting really old.

JC has an excuse, he's young and inexperienced.

What's the excuse for Moss and Portis?

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Outside of two throws JC played great yesterday. Plus he had probably 4 drops? He was really throwing some great passes. We were leaning on him yesterday and he almost came through just like last week. But when you throw two picks in the redzone it kills the team. Hopefully he will learn from this. JC is starting to become an elite QB. He is almost there, but he's just not there yet.

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[quote=Mattyk72;383034]I agree.

JC has to take some of the blame of course for yesterday, but he is in no way solely responsible.

All year Moss and Portis have fumbled and/or dropped passes in critical spots and frankly it's getting really old.

JC has an excuse, he's young and inexperienced.

What's the excuse for Moss and Portis?[/quote]I cannot believe that Portis was still in the game after a second fumble deep in Skins' territory. The Gibbs of old would have had him on the bench after that sort of carelessness. There's no accountability around here anymore.

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JC shares some of the load, but by no means is it on him.. If Portis & Moss don't cough the ball up 3 times in 5 plays then it's a different game. Campbell needs to improve his decision making/execution in the red zone but some of the craziness I saw on here after the game (comparisons to Ramsey & calling for Brunell to play the final 5 games) is way overboard. He's played like any 2nd year QB, even better IMO, but he still needs help from those around him.

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True, JC is young and inexperienced. BUT, he has to take a signifigant amount of the blame as the team had rallied in the second half to KICK TB's ass with and without Garcia at the helm.
What I want to see him do is learn from his mistakes, as they have hurt especially bad in the last couple of games (and I believe he will) as we were in position to win both. He MUST stop focusing only on his primary reciever so often, and use his check down guys more. He is very fortunate to have no more INT's than he does, as he has thrown a number of balls into coverage, and gotten away with it.
All in all, I believe JC's the man (and I feel bad for him as I know he will take this hard) and will make a francise QB. Maturity WILL happen
It was a rough loss as the TB fans were stroking out as the Skins could not be stopped!!! Much trauma!!!
HTTR

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[quote=SouperMeister;383037]I cannot believe that Portis was still in the game after a second fumble deep in Skins' territory. The Gibbs of old would have had him on the bench after that sort of carelessness. There's no accountability around here anymore.[/quote]

Well we did see more of Betts in the 2nd half, not sure if that was due to Portis fumbling or his overall ineffectiveness.

I don't agree that there is no accountability. Even with 2 fumbles Portis is still our best back and he needs to be out there in crunch time.

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[quote=Daseal;382484]A free pass? No. I just feel like with a young QB you have to expect picks. It's going to happen. I feel Portis and Moss are much more at fault for this game than Campbell. If we'd stop putting him in this position it wouldn't be that bad.[/quote]

you said it very well! Maybe if we would of had more confidence in JC early on then he would made his mistakes then and been ready for this adversity!

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[quote=skinsfan69;383035]Outside of two throws JC played great yesterday. Plus he had probably 4 drops? He was really throwing some great passes. We were leaning on him yesterday and he almost came through just like last week. But when you throw two picks in the redzone it kills the team. Hopefully he will learn from this. JC is starting to become an elite QB. He is almost there, but he's just not there yet.[/quote]
Yes he made some great throws but with the 3 redzone pickes he has thrown over the past two game has erased all the good play. He IS NOT an elite QB in the NFL with the mistake he is making and he keeps repeating the same ones.

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[quote=firstdown;383052]Yes he made some great throws but with the 3 redzone pickes he has thrown over the past two game has erased all the good play. He IS NOT an elite QB in the NFL with the mistake he is making and he keeps repeating the same ones.[/quote]I have faith that Campbell will learn from these mistakes and eventually become an elite QB. He was the offensive key to bringing the team back yesterday.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;382484]A free pass? No. I just feel like with a young QB you have to expect picks. It's going to happen. I feel Portis and Moss are much more at fault for this game than Campbell. If we'd stop putting him in this position it wouldn't be that bad.[/QUOTE] with that said i'll add that I firmly believe that Jason Will be a great QB in the NFL...He is still growin up as it were....he needs time to mature a bit more ,like wine, he'll get better with age. All young quarterbacks have a certain amount of these type of mistakes..the future isn't right now, although i'd like it to be.

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I don't think anyone is saying he is an elite QB at this stage. He's right where he should be as a kid-QB with 18 games under his belt. He's going to make bad decisions. It's all part of the maturation process.

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I think the question is "Is he accountable?" The answer to that is yes, to a certain degree, but who is more accountable?

Portis and Moss. Maybe even the offensive line. Even two INTs aren't going to fix the fumbles in your own red zone. Campbell shares a bit of the responsibility because of the pick in the end zone, but he was making plays all day. Can Portis and Moss say that? (Moss...MAYBE).

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[QUOTE=redsk1;383018]It's pretty damn stupid to say JC was the sole reason for this loss. Did anyone watch the game? A number of mistakes accounted for today's loss. Did JC have a couple? Yes. Did he have all of them? No.

He's very young and inexperienced as NFL Qb's go. Let's wait a little while before we pass judgement either way. I like the 300 yard game again. I like his poise and leadership. And I like the fact that he is much better than last year. I have a feeling he'll work his butt off in the offseason and come out better than this year.

I think some people think he should just step right in and be the second coming of Joe Montana...Be realistic. Have a little more patience. He is showing some signs of good things.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you totally, JC is being a young QB he has to throw INT's to learn from his mistakes you are talking about a passionate kid that cried after the Dallas loss. Let him learn or throw MB in the game and we really lose.

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Yeah I agree with the sentiments of everyone here... He is young and thus will be prone to mistakes.

I just worry...Do we have a choke artist on our hand? It is too early to tell, but I hope this trend doesn't continue.

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Yeah I agree with the sentiments of everyone here... He is young and thus will be prone to mistakes.

I just worry...Do we have a choke artist on our hands? It is too early to tell, but I hope this trend doesn't continue.

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A true choke artist has no chance of making it to the NFL level. Campbell has gone a long way towards proving that he is a good quarterback and that these late game struggles will not be a trend.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;383280]I agree with you totally, JC is being a young QB he has to throw INT's to learn from his mistakes you are talking about a passionate kid that cried after the Dallas loss. Let him learn or throw MB in the game and we really lose.[/quote]
Well he has thrown three picks now in the last minutes of the game how many times does he have to throw these picks before he learns is the question? Has he lead us to a game winning drive as our starter? I cannot think of one.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;383383]Well he has thrown three picks now in the last minutes of the game how many times does he have to throw these picks before he learns is the question? Has he lead us to a game winning drive as our starter? I cannot think of one.[/QUOTE]

Didn't he last year against Carolina?

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[quote=SmootSmack;383426]Didn't he last year against Carolina?[/quote]
Yeah, it was the play where his headset went out and he hit Cooley for that huge touchdown pass.

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Ok, 66yard hook up to Cooley but our O had the ball 2 more time after that TD. I'll give him credit for that but I want to see him drive us down the field (which he has done) but finish it off with a game winning TD. In the past two games he has had the chance and fail. If we look back he has had other chances to do so and did not get the job done. I very high on JC but its time he starts to turn the corner.

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Maybe this has been brought up before in this thread but you have to start to wonder, is this how JC's career is going to play out? He makes it all the way down the field just to throw the interception. If this continues you have to start thinking its nerves and that he has a serious issue playing under pressure like that. Who knows though maybe it's a little early to call.

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I haven´t been able to see much here in Mexico the last few weeks, but I was able to catch the end of the game while waiting for some fillings at the dentist´s office.

The only thing I ask from JC is LEARN TO PUT SOME AIR UNDER SOME OF YOUR PASSES. I´ve been asking for this for quite a while now. His last pass would not have been dangerous if he had put air under it in the corner of the endzone. Moss had position on the defender. The announcers here were saying they were able to intercept the pass only because he put it on a rope. When the receivers have position I´d love to see him put some air under it so they can adapt to the throw. I think if he learns this he can become a very good QB. I´m just mystified why he hasn´t learned this since this has been his major fault for many games now.