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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;386412]Each state has the right to define "capital murder," within the limits of the 8th Amendment. Florida does not mess around with criminals. Like many states, Florida has pretty strict murder statutes when it comes to murders committed during the course of the commission of a felony.[/QUOTE]

First off you are right about Florida and that is most likely why three of the four can forward about the killing. They don't wanted to be the gun man in this killing. ESPN also said that there could be others that could be arrested as well.

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[quote=dgack;386435]No arguments with any of this. I could be entirely wrong about those 4 kids, but my guess is that based on the fact that they turned themselves in, rather than, say, leading police on a wild chase while shooting at anybody who crossed them, these kids were less hardened criminals and more stupid knuckleheads who thought they could "get paid".

They must still deal with the consequences, though. Some mistakes simply can't be smoothed over.[/quote]

Dgack - are you sure these guys turned themselves in? From what I hear they fled to Ft. Myers which is something like 150 miles away and that only through questioning and civilian tips that the police were able to catch these guys and that it was only after they caught them that the confessions came out.

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Bill, I thought I had read that 3 of them had turned themselves in, but you may be right that that they did not. The coverage of this entire thing has been pretty spotty.

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I expect nothing less than a written apology from Wilbon, Shapiro, Cowherd, etc. that automatically linked the murder to Sean's past discretions. His generosity and giving spirit is what got him ultimately killed, not anything from his past. Of course I'm better off waiting for Santa Clause to show up than expecting an apology from a mediot.

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THE WSHINGTON POST REPORTED THIS ABOUT THE FOUR MAN....Looks like they didn't turn themselfs in!

"Four men have criminal histories, according to public records. Rivera was charged in August with felony possession of a firearm and removing a serial number from a firearm and in October with felony cocaine and amphetamines trafficking. Wardlow was arrested three times in 2005-06, twice on drug charges and once for felony grand theft. Mitchell was charged with disturbing the peace in 2004. Hunte was arrested on drug possession and trespassing charges in August.

The Miami-Dade police announced the arrests after picking up three of the men in Lee County early Friday and questioning them throughout the day at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in Fort Myers. A person carrying a court reporter's typewriter could be seen coming and going. Police later picked up a fourth, and Parker said other arrests could be made".

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[QUOTE=Paintrain;386445]I expect nothing less than a written apology from Wilbon, Shapiro, Cowherd, etc. that automatically linked the murder to Sean's past discretions. His generosity and giving spirit is what got him ultimately killed, not anything from his past. Of course I'm better off waiting for Santa Clause to show up than expecting an apology from a mediot.[/QUOTE]

Sean's attorney put it best..."Sharpstein said the arrests proved that Taylor had no involvement in incidents that led to his death. Arizona Cardinals cornerback Antrel Rolle, a childhood friend of Taylor's, and others had speculated that Taylor had been hunted down by enemies.

"People always said Sean's life led him to this, saying he was violent," Sharpstein said. "But if anything here his openness and generosity led to this crime, which is shocking and horrific. I said all along it was a burglary and it was planned. There are 17-, 19-, 21-year-old pathetic criminal wannabes and they carry a gun like every other dime-a-dozen jerk in the streets, and they happen to come upon someone they don't expect to be there and they fire the gun and run like cowards.

"This is a shame, but it's not over and this will be of no solace to the family. If anything it will only make it harder to swallow"

We will never get to see what this young man could have done for his fellow man off the field. Yes he had a good begaining but what I have read about Sean he was just getting started! As a Redskin fan and a football fan we also lost what could have been a great player. This is real hard to swallow!!!!

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Its great that the Taylor family can put Sean's body to rest knowing that some boys have confessed to the crime, however, this is a lose- lose situation. Firstly we have lost a man who was sincerely turning his life around and who died honorably: protecting his family. We also have a situation where four young boys, and I do mean boys, have committed their first felony over some money. I realize that people are angry, and hope to see these young men thoroughly punished for their actions, but at the same time we must look at the devastating fact that we will also possibly be losing 4 more lives. 4 lives that were full of potential. 4 boys who were idolizing the wrong things, but had they been steered in the right direction, could have changed, much like Sean, and made a difference in their own community.

I'm happy that justice should prevail, I'm just deeply saddened that at the end of the day, 5 people's lives would be lost over some green pieces of paper.

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[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin;386452]I'm happy that justice should prevail, I'm just deeply saddened that at the end of the day, 5 people's lives would be lost over some green pieces of paper.[/QUOTE]

These kids wasted their lives. Is that tragic in some sense? Yes, they might have been something different. They might have walked down a different path. But the simple fact is that they did not walk down a different path. They didn't make the right decisions and made some horrible ones. They embraced the wrong values and hung out with the wrong friends. And now, because they wanted to steal from a man who they indirectly received money from, one of my personal heroes is dead and a little girl will never know her father.

I know the rest of us are going to think about Sean and wonder what might have been. So, sorry but these kids deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison and contemplate what they might have been had they not committed murder. And I don't think sending them away to prison for the rest of their lives is a tragedy. The word tragedy should be reserved for things like a baby losing her father.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;386455]And I don't think sending them away to prison for the rest of their lives is a tragedy. The word tragedy should be reserved for things like a baby losing her father.[/quote]

At least one of those guys WAS a father. A father that made some really horrible decisions and ended the life of another human being. That, too, is a tragedy.

I don't think anyone here thinks these guys shouldn't be punished.

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All of these guys are screwed. They are going to live horrible lives and learn the true meaning of pain. Being convicted of murdering a local legend in a high profile case will doom them. They thought they were street hardened gangsters, but they will receive an education quickly.

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[quote=dgack;386463]At least one of those guys WAS a father. A father that made some really horrible decisions and ended the life of another human being. That, too, is a tragedy.

I don't think anyone here thinks these guys shouldn't be punished.[/quote]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Big difference in a father and a sperm donor. This fool probably couldn't spell father.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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This whole thing just continues to make me sick.

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fuck this pisses me off, those low lifes took sean taylor from the world.

"we get the money" ahut the fuck up. sean taylor could eat these kids for breakfast

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this is terrible wow still sooo hard to get over this, fuckin homeboy homeslice gotta think he is the shit and kill somebody.

burn in hell you asshole

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These guys are complete pieces of crap. All four of them aren't worth Taylor's jock, let alone his life.

Re: Police Detain 3, Look for 2 More (Video of Assailants, Motive)
 

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;386294]That's crazy. Died because he was generous? [B]Wilbon better start writing that retraction[/B]...[/QUOTE]

...and Cowturd had better shut his trap! Of course. he'll spin it to his advantage somehow, someway. What a dick.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;386492]...and Cowturd had better shut his trap! Of course. he'll spin it to his advantage somehow, someway. What a dick.[/quote]I actually wrote Cowherd a civil e-mail saying that moving forward, he should wait until all facts are in before calling out a dead man's past as the reason for his murder. I seriously doubt that I will see a response, or any change in the mean-spirited, self-righteous rhetoric that Cowherd dishes out daily.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;386466][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Big difference in a father and a sperm donor. This fool probably couldn't spell father.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]These FOOLS are no more than low life TRASH, and I sure do hope they get the full extent of the law as deserved.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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I agree, I hope they rot.

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[quote=SouperMeister;386509]I actually wrote Cowherd a civil e-mail saying that moving forward, he should wait until all facts are in before calling out a dead man's past as the reason for his murder. I seriously doubt that I will see a response, or any change in the mean-spirited, self-righteous rhetoric that Cowherd dishes out daily.[/quote]

You're right, you probably won't get a response. The best tactic is probably to just change the channel any time Cowherd is on. Ratings talk, maybe if enough people in D.C. decide to shut off ESPN Radio during his show that will send a clear message.

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Gotta agree with the angry people on this one, I want to see those little bastards put in prison for life with no possibility of parole. These punk ass gangster kids need to learn that there's more to life than money.

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[QUOTE=mooby;386533]Gotta agree with the angry people on this one, I want to see those little bastards put in prison for life with no possibility of parole. These punk ass gangster kids need to learn that there's more to life than money.[/QUOTE]

Yup...LWOP for the accomplices, and DEATH for the shooter.

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Sean Taylor is loved in Miami. If these guy get locked up in Miami then the real gangsters in Miami will show them what its like to be a gangster. I'm not going to say that they are going to get killed in jail, but they definetly will get beat down daily. Trust me they'll get what they deserve in there life or not.

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Their new career has just begun, shouldn't make it with the general population vets very long.

Darn shame ST will never get the chance to carry on with his!

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071201/us_nm/nfl_redskins_taylor_dc]No bond for Sean Taylor murder suspects - Yahoo! News[/url]

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ya sean taylor was reallyyyyyyy evolving into THE standard for safties in the league i think reed would be the only one to compare to Taylor IF he compared and thats probably cause Sean learned UNDER him at THE U

Re: Police Detain 4, Look for 1 More (Shooter Confesses, Video of Assailants, Motive)
 

[quote=nickh29;386438]Jeb Bush isn't running Florida anymore. Charlie Crist is.[/quote]


Formerly ran by a Bush. I stand corrected sir. Thank you.

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[QUOTE=dall-assblows;386477]this is terrible wow still sooo hard to get over this, fuckin homeboy homeslice gotta think he is the shit and kill somebody.

burn in hell you asshole[/QUOTE]

Well Said

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I'm still very upset about this if everyone looked at ST like I did it's = 2 Michael Jordan dying and everyone loves MJ.

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[QUOTE=Redskin Warrior;389012]I'm still very upset about this if everyone looked at ST like I did it's = 2 Michael Jordan dying and everyone loves MJ.[/QUOTE]

He was the Michael Jordan in a sense for you guys.

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The four idiots actually plead not guilty.

Google news search for ST and you will see the article at wwsb{dot}com.

I can't post links yet.

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-12-19-1400209901_x.htm]4 men plead not guilty in killing of Redskins' Taylor - USATODAY.com[/url]

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[quote=SteelandSkin;391714]He was the Michael Jordan in a sense for you guys.[/quote]Taylor was our Superman, no doubt about that. You know a player is special when his teammates and coaches are in a constant state of awe over his physical gifts. Gregg Williams said very early in Taylor's rookie year that Sean was the best athlete he ever coached and that it wasn't even close.

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I thought they had a confession...

If they don't accept a plea bargain they stand a chance of much more severe punishment.

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[quote=canthetuna;395239]I thought they had a confession...

If they don't accept a plea bargain they stand a chance of much more severe punishment.[/quote]

Thats what I'm rooting for.

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[quote=canthetuna;395239]I thought they had a confession...

If they don't accept a plea bargain they stand a chance of much more severe punishment.[/quote]


The not guilty pleas were formalities. I think the lawyers are still going to pursue plea agreements.

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That is correct. You can always change a not guilty plea to guilty but you can not change a guilty plea, it is all over if you plead guilty.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;395239]I thought they had a confession...

If they don't accept a plea bargain they stand a chance of much more severe punishment.[/QUOTE]

I'm hoping for life without parole

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[QUOTE=Redskin Warrior;395467]I'm hoping for life without parole[/QUOTE]

I think a nice 300 yr sentence would work here.

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sorry i dont want life in prison for this. im all for the death penalty... yeah ill get crap for this but thats my opinion. atleast the actual shooter should get the death penalty at the least..

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I would love for them to get the death penalty. But he was 17 so I don't think it's possible. But if I could lay down the sentence you better believe it would be death for all of them.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;395497]sorry i dont want life in prison for this. im all for the death penalty... yeah ill get crap for this but thats my opinion. atleast the actual shooter should get the death penalty at the least..[/quote]


Sorry, but that can't happen if he was under 18 at the time.

PS No crap from me.