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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387604]I say someone from this site, since we seem to have so many geniuses who would never make a mistake during the draft or free agency, so many people are expert Madden players, etc.

In all seriousness, I want Gibbs back. If Gibbs decides to retire, don't expect a great 2008 season as new head coaches often struggle in their first season with a new team. [B]And expect to see JC regress, or not progress, if we replace Saunders and force him to learn a new system.
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If we had to get someone else, I'd probably go with Cowher since I like the guy, he likes smash-mouth football and great defenses, and he is a proven winner. That said, several teams will likely be after him and he supposedly wanted to stay out of football until 2009. He could be saying that he doesn't want to return to football in 2008 to gain leverage in contract negotiations, but who knows.[/quote]

I agree about JC, we need to keep Saunders.

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I believe if he still has the fire to coach it has to be Cower, Williams IMO has regressed some in his ability to run a defense, I do not believe he is head coach material. Other than that I would look to an unproven coordinator and hope to get lucky, whom ever it is they need to be able to evaluate talent properly, that is another reason Cower would fit in here nicely. I know it would never happen but Marty Shott. might be a perfect fit with Saunders running the offense? He would at least rebuild this team in hurry.

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[quote=chocho;388144]you have no faith in your coach... dont call yourself a fan[/quote]
Here we go with the (Not a True Fan) crap again.Everyone in here is disappointed with the team. Have you been watching the games?

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[quote=chocho;388144]you have no faith in your coach... dont call yourself a fan[/quote]
Then a good fan as you must think you are can explain what Gibbs has done to give us faith.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;388202]Then a good fan as you must think you are can explain what Gibbs has done to give us faith.[/QUOTE]

4 Superbowls, 3-1 record, second coming one playoff appearance, change in QB's and inheriting a mess takes time, you can't change over night. PATIENCE is what's needed, I say one more year and if he doesn't produce then you can call for his head. We are so close, if critical injuries and bad luck weren't a factor this would be a moot point. I think if anybody deserves one more chance it's Gibbs!!

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[quote=mredskins;387594]I would like to see B. Cowher and his new staff. At this point I feel we have the players( at least most of them), I think we need a new captain of this ship, a proven winner!

Please god not G. Williams[/quote]


sad to say snyder is already set at G. williams. if this is so, please do keep Al sunders to run his offense in this team without Greg meddling it

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I think it will be Williams, and I think he will probably fail. The last time they re-signed Williams, they all but came out and said he would be the coach when Gibbs leaves(They can't actually say that because of hiring regulations).

I do think it would be good to let Saunders run the offense the way he wants, not some butchered half Joe/half Al flavor of it. If it doesn't work, move on, but at least let him run it the way he wants to and find out.

I don't know who I want to be the next head coach, but I feel confident Danny will not pick a good one. He won't hire a GM, so how can we trust him to hire a coach. If he doesn't recognize there name in the paper, he is not interested. He manages this team the way I manage my Madden 2008 game(Except I actually win). Nothing matters if they don't start with a GM and give that GM power and some control.

I love Gibbs, he has been responsible for 95% of the greatest sports fan moments of my life. That is why it hurts to feel that he needs to go. I don't believe this team is any better now than when he got here. I would give no other coach this long, but I just have a hard time staying mad at Gibbs. Danny would never fire him, but I think Joe will realize his time here has been a failure and step down. Oh well, just more sad thoughts for a sad week.

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I think, that it will probably be Gregg Williams who steps up and fills the roll but I would love to see Danny bring in Bill Cowher. That guy can really build a football team and he has an eye for talent. Two things we really need.

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Even though I voted Grimm (out of impulse), I'm going to go with Williams. I also firmly believe we should keep Saunders as our O coordinator.

Have Joe completely step down, keep the infrastructure in place, build through the draft, and give it some time. I think the "The game has passed JG by", argument is starting to gain some momentum, and I can't help but see the argument validate itself more and more.

Gibbs needs to go spend time with his family, be the president of the organization, and keep the same virtues of class and integrity that he's known for. Gibbs gave "Redskins football" and identity, and I kind of like that continuity. Williams embodies it perfectly, and I'd love to see him have his own team. He's more than earned it.

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Im not a GW fan because of the Friend artical, so my comments are bias towards not haveing him as our next head coach.

I think the most important thing for this team is keeping Al Saunders one way or another (Head Coach or Offense Cord.).

The offense finnaly knows his system. This is JC's first year EVER (besides high school) of having the same offense as the prior year. I would hate to have him learn another system.
We have seen what our offense can do in every first half of every game this year (except NE), which makes me believe theres a underlying problem with our adjustments and half time pep talks, both which I think mainly fall on Joe.
Al talks to the media less then Joe and GW. Id rather have a coach that stays quite about team issues then one that allways ready to take on any question (The way NE handles the media)

I dont know if Al would be a good coach or not, but i dont think GW would be, and going after the all the big name coaches (like Cower) hasnt worked yet for us. Grimm didnt become head coach for Pitt for a reason, plus if we get him we likely loose Saunders since there both offensive guys.

Id rather have Al continue to just be O Cord. for now.

For the record I voted for other, maybe someone thats not a big name, a Deffensive guy since they seem to be livelier .

If we have to go with a big name to sell tickets and get me excited, just to later let me down I think Lou Holtz is the man. His "pep talks" always fire me up for some reason. Plus Pitt beat WVU this weekend and that's who he did his pep talk on this week, i bet Pitt was listening

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I said Grimm. Maybe an old hog with a fresh approach is what we desperately need.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;387604]I say someone from this site, since we seem to have so many geniuses who would never make a mistake during the draft or free agency, so many people are expert Madden players, etc.

In all seriousness, I want Gibbs back. If Gibbs decides to retire, don't expect a great 2008 season as new head coaches often struggle in their first season with a new team. And expect to see JC regress, or not progress, if we replace Saunders and force him to learn a new system.

If we had to get someone else, I'd probably go with Cowher since I like the guy, he likes smash-mouth football and great defenses, and he is a proven winner. That said, several teams will likely be after him and he supposedly wanted to stay out of football until 2009. He could be saying that he doesn't want to return to football in 2008 to gain leverage in contract negotiations, but who knows.[/quote]


Good post SGG! All the coachs on this board, I bet Dan could get one cheap.....? lol

I'm 100% behind Joe finishing up his 5 year deal.

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Joe Gibbs ............he won you 3 super bowls and is in the HOF ,what more do you want?


Besides Cowher is going to the Giants

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[QUOTE=Giantone;388413]Joe Gibbs ............he won you 3 super bowls and is in the HOF ,what more do you want?


Besides Cowher is going to the Giants[/QUOTE]

Exactly!! A smart person and he's not even a Redskins fan. Where's the loyalty for the man that made this team champions!! As far as I'm concerned Joe can coach till he decides to quit.

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This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook!

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I hope Gibbs is coach for another 5 years. Injuries have killed us this year. I wish we could see what this team could do if health for a hole season. I Gibbs did leave me thin Williams deserves a shot. I just hope he does better the Rich Pedibon did after Gibbs retired the first time.

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Well, assuming Joe didn't come back for season 5, I have no idea who I would want as Head Coach. Honestly, I'm just tired of the head coaching experiements. Cowher seems to be the sought after guy. Gregg Williams is a popular choice, because he's firey and he's already here in Washington. Russ Grimm is also a popular choice because of the Redskins nostolgic influence. I have to look at this from a logical perspective. Gregg Williams has already been unsuccessful as a head coach. It took Cowher years to finally win a Super Bowl, although he hardly ever coached a losing season. Russ Grimm has yet to be head coach, so he's an unknown. I'd personally go with Russ Grimm.

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[quote=21InOurHearts;388440]This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook![/quote]

I like this line of thinking. Bring in someone with some fairly recent college coaching credentials, but also coming from an NFL coaching pedigree. I haven't researched a list of possible candidates, which I know everyone wants but I'll work on it....later.

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[QUOTE=21InOurHearts;388440]This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook![/QUOTE]

Welcome. But don't you think Saunders' playbook is pretty modern. We've been running a lot of trick plays and have been pretty pass-happy these past few weeks. Unfortunately, the line isn't blocking, the players at the skill positions aren't executing, and JC is playing well but is making mistakes at critical times.

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[QUOTE=21InOurHearts;388440]This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook![/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board. I just don't think we have the patience for what the Steelers have done. We don't have it for a HOF coach, I doubt we'd have it for an up and comer.

I would like to see someone (Byner maybe?) move up to a more prominent role on the staff though

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Thanks for the welcome. I have had season tickets for 6 years now, I have driven from Radford,Virginia, Harrisonburg, VA, Newport News, Virginia and now live in the area. I just want to see this team get it right. I think they had it right with Gibbs, he has set a good foundation we just need a good project manager to come in and finish the job. Maybe that is a Cowher, I just want my friends to look at me and say damn he is lucky to be a Redskins fan!

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;388462]Welcome. But don't you think Saunders' playbook is pretty modern. We've been running a lot of trick plays and have been pretty pass-happy these past few weeks. Unfortunately, the line isn't blocking, the players at the skill positions aren't executing, and JC is playing well but is making mistakes at critical times.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, Saunder playbook is modern, but we need someone to who is able to fully utilize that playbook and understand it. I think Gibbs and Saunders have problems relating in situations because their philosophies are soooo very different. I would not have even minded and end around to Moss on that third and 8 yesterday. I say Gibbs goes to President, Williams and Saunders stay where they are and bring in Bud Foster haha, he will have to listen to the other 2 on basic seniority principles!

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[quote=21InOurHearts;388440]This is actually my first post, so take it easy on me here. I think we all want to win now but has any thought been put into taking a younger coach and developing him like the Steelers' do? Through thick and thin, winning and loosing the organization stuck behind Cowher, anyone remember Kordell Stewart? Maybe someone like a Pete Carroll or Norm Chow? Someone who will bring some excitement and swagger back to DC and modernize the playbook![/quote]

Welcome. I like your sig.

Fortunately if Cowher did come here, Jason Campbell is no Kordell Stewart. He's actually quite a bit similar to Roethlisberger...

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Cowher just strikes me as the kind of typical Skins move that would be predestined to fail. The media would be all over us before he walked through the door, the expectations would be unrealistic from the outset, we'd lose a couple close ones and then the wheels would come off. Cue the media-mocking and local talk radio venom. Seen this movie before.

The problem I have with Williams is that in Buffalo, not only was he unsuccessful, but his team ended up quitting on him. He lost them. It's one thing to fail but have players sticking up for you, saying don't blame coach blame us for not making the plays (which is not that unusual on losing teams). That wasn't the case in Buffalo. That being said he seems to be pretty respected in the Skins locker room with the players so who knows.

But I voted for Grimm. That's what we haven't tried yet during the Snyder era, hiring an up and coming coordinator who is hungry and innovative and ready to put in the work. Grimm makes the most sense because of his ties to the organization but there's a lot of starving coordinators out there we could take a look at.

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I like Grimm. But I don't think of him as innovative per se.

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I wanted to pick Gregg for obvious reasons, but if it ain't broke....Bill will bring a more hard nosed approach to the team. Gibbs is kinda laid back, and let's the players set the tempo. I will welcome anyone on the current coaching staff, except for Al. Don't like him, never have never will.

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I voted for other but I dont have a name. I want the Skins to find the next Mike Tomlin or some other young coach that can establish his system and stay awhile if it workd.

Cowher would never work with this team as they are now too used to Gibbs easy-going, we are all family ways. He's too loud and too harsh on the players. He would never work with these guys.

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A new coach will bring in his own players over time anyway, so you can't make a coaching decision based on your current roster.

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cowher is not the answer. He won his superbowl, now he wants to be with his family. We need a young innovative hungry coach....who really has the time to invest into this team, and the drive to take us to the superbowl. Paying a coach who doesnt wanna come back billions of dollars is not gonna "make him wanna come back" it's just gonna make him want the money.

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We should stick with Grilliams if gibb's leaves, but keep him on a short leash, kindof an interim coach....he he has immediate success stick with him.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;388608]cowher is not the answer. He won his superbowl, now he wants to be with his family. We need a young innovative hungry coach....who really has the time to invest into this team, and the drive to take us to the superbowl. Paying a coach who doesnt wanna come back billions of dollars is not gonna "make him wanna come back" it's just gonna make him want the money.[/quote]

Who says that Cowher doesn't want to come back though?

I think he's just enjoying his time off right now and he can afford to sit back and wait for the perfect opportunity to come along. I'm sure he probably has a few jobs in mind. He still has plenty of quality coaching years left in him. I don't see him taking a long break.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;388501]I like Grimm. But I don't think of him as innovative per se.[/QUOTE]

I think the whole "innovative" thing is somewhat overrated. I'd be happy with running the counter tre every other play if we were getting first downs and finishing drives with touchdowns. Whoever can motivate these players to execute up to their ability is who I want to coach. I think that's still Joe Gibbs. I think this 2nd time around has been tough but I truly believe that we are going to be a very strong team next year. I want one more year of Gibbs 2.0 before I'm ready to throw in the towel on a HOF coach who has the players' respect.

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I voted for Grimm, and I disagree with comments about innovation, he is only a coordinator in Arizona, not the head coach. I don't recall Arizona being overly conservative with WRs such as Anquan Boldin (spelling) and Larry Fitzgerald. I think Grimm would bring the toughness you would expect of a Redskins team, and new ideas due to his time spent in Pittsburgh and Arizona. I don't like the idea of a retread coach. I think Wade Phillips is an exception just because of the vast amount of talent stashed on that team by the Tuna, just wait until Jerry Jones gets back into the thick of things in terms of draft picks and FAs. I suspect Romo was a Parcells pick, not a J. Jones pick.

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The current staff has not done much at all. GW did nothing in his first tenure as a Head Coach. My first choice would be Grimm... he is a Redskin who has a great coaching line. If we don't go with Grimm, then you have to go with a proven winner year in and year out... that means Cowher.

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I've never understood why some people are so on Grimm's nuts. Is it just because he's a beloved former player??

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[quote=Redskin Rich;388655]The current staff has not done much at all. [B]GW did nothing in his first tenure as a Head Coach[/B]. My first choice would be Grimm... he is a Redskin who has a great coaching line. If we don't go with Grimm, then you have to go with a proven winner year in and year out... that means Cowher.[/quote]

You can say that about plenty of guys, most notably Bill Belichick.

Hell, if Norv gets chance after chance I don't see why GW shouldn't get a 2nd shot.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388656]I've never understood why some people are so on Grimm's nuts. Is it just because he's a beloved former player??[/QUOTE]

That and his apprenticeship as a player under a HOF in Gibbs and as a coach under a potential HOF in Cowher

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[quote=Mattyk72;388658]You can say that about plenty of guys, most notably Bill Belichick.

Hell, if Norv gets chance after chance I don't see why GW shouldn't get a 2nd shot.[/quote]
Actually, I will disagree with you on Belichick.... He actually had the Browns in the play offs the year before.... but after I believe like 5 games, Modell announced the move... and everything fell apart.

Belichick also had alot of success before and AFTER as a coordinator... GW is hot and cold with us.

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[quote=Mattyk72;388656]I've never understood why some people are so on Grimm's nuts. Is it just because he's a beloved former player??[/quote]
Partly - YES... but he also has had the right experience as a coach... he is due to be a head coach... why not with us.

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I think Gregg Williams could really pull this team together. He's got the defense ready to go all year and now he knows a little bit about how to motivate guys and get their heads in the game.