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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;404424]I'm just saying when you see bums like Norv get 2nd and 3rd chances, why shouldn't someone like Williams get a 2nd shot?

He's still one of the top defensive minds in the game, and he's had 4 seasons under Gibbs to learn and see how a Hall of Fame coach goes about their business. He's also had time to reflect upon his stint in Buffalo, and I'm sure he learned some valuable lessons from that.[/QUOTE]

I see your point, however, consider how you would have felt if it were the Skins who had hired a guy like Turner. I mean, I don't know that Gregg Williams will be much more than Ray Rhodes. I could be wrong, and I hope I am if he's hired, but I don't think I am.

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How about another name in the mix.....Brian Billick? He's got the experience and he's got the ring.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;404433]How about another name in the mix.....Brian Billick? He's got the experience and he's got the ring.[/QUOTE]

I personally would not like the move. He was an "offensive guru" who had to rely on the defense to win games. He's also not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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A few random thoughts on the new staff under Williams:
1. I bet Blache retires. Apparently that was something in the offing and may yet occur.
2. Jerry Gray becomes DC and S. Jackson becomes backfield coach.
3. Don Breaux, Joe Bugel, Rennie Simmons & Jack Burns follow Coach Joe into retirement.
4. Saunders is retained as OC and creates a new offensive staff in his image.

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Damn, no one wants Pettibone?

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;404433]How about another name in the mix.....Brian Billick? He's got the experience and he's got the ring.[/QUOTE]

No thanks!! He's an Imbecile, why go backwards. I'm sure you Cowboy fans would love for us to pick the wrong coach.

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GW gets the job, no questions!

The man earned his chance at receiving at least a 2 year deal to show what he can do, further, as everyone seems to agree you keep most of your assistants on. I think you get smart with how you speak to Al letting him know that he is next in line if GW cant get it done, this would be the only way to keep him around + he wont get any Head Coach offers anywhere else right now. Lastly, he won’t make the money as an assistant anywhere else.

Im telling you all that GW wouldn’t have stayed two years ago, with head coach offers, had Dan not promised him the job upon Joe's departure. I would have to say all signs point to GW, and if Snyder has half a brain he has learned a few things about football over the past few years and should know a shake-up will only impede our current progressiveness!

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anybody think snyder wiil piss off jerry jones and the cowbitches,and go after wonderboy jason garrett?if williams IS'NT named HC does'nt he get like a 7 figure buy out???i could live with cowher at lot more than i can williams.he's like norv,a great coordinator an awful head coach!!!

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I think Billick and Cowher are the same coach. Tough guys that build solid teams but they both got lucky with their superbowl wins. The steelers had alot of heartache( Kordell Stewart years) while cowher was there and fans seem to ignore that since he got one ring.

If you want a proven champion, Get Vermeil( I don't want him, But he's proven he can win anywhere).


I would like to see Gwilliams have another shot. I like his personality, I think he will be a good headcoach.

If not him, I want someone young and mean with playing experience. I want Grimm or Mike Singletary.

Mike Shanahan sucked his first coaching job with the raiders. Belichek(SP?) sucked witht he browns. Gwilliams sucked with the bills but it's time he got another shot.

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i could go with grimm,but not singletary!!!

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It should be Willliams. He would be the best fit right now. But I think that Williams and Saunders will have a problem working together. They just don't seem to mesh well and I think Gibbs was the balance between them. I would not be surprised to see Williams get the job but we end up looking for a new OC. Here's an idea--get Mike Martz--who runs the same system Saunders does--and who I believe Williams respects and likes.

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[QUOTE=Contact57;404171]I hope it's GW. Al Saunders has no business being head coach.[/QUOTE]

i'm all for promoting from within but greg williams has no business being head coach.some people are just meant to be coordinators.he did nothing with the Bills whom had a good defense and Bledsoe at the helm,and campbell and collins aren't no Bledsoe. Don't bring any college coaches even if its my beloved Carroll. They're to wishy washy. I think Cowher is what we need. Which is stability

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;404464]i'm all for promoting from within but greg williams has no business being head coach.some people are just meant to be coordinators.he did nothing with the Bills whom had a good defense and Bledsoe at the helm,and campbell and collins aren't no Bledsoe. Don't bring any college coaches even if its my beloved Carroll. They're to wishy washy. I think Cowher is what we need. Which is stability[/QUOTE]

Bledsoe wasn't a great QB and he was playing behind an awful line. I wouldn't write the book on Grilliams just yet.

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Honestly, I just don't know. I really don't want Cowher because while he did win a super bowl, he was conservative in play calling. He had a good Oline to run the ball, and while ours is good, it's old. I like Cowher, don't get me wrong, but Campbell needs to fly, and I don't think he will in a Cowher run team. So my vote was for Saunders from the simple standpoint of thinking about the offense and getting it running to 100%.
I do not want Williams as a HC...he proved to be a poor HC, but a good DC. Although, I could go for Williams as DC IF they brought in a great DC along the lines of Marvin Lewis or something.
In other words, I'd prefer that the Skins kept everything in house in terms of promotions to keep the same offenses and defenses. We were just now "getting it", and to bring in a new coach means he will bring in a new system and other new coaches and now we're back to a 3-5 year plan.

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I definitely want GW. If we bring back an outsider, especially Cowher, we will essentially be starting over. If GW becomes HC we can keep our roster intact, and the chemistry going, plus it sounds like the players are really lobbying for GW.

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[QUOTE=prinzeofmoval;404464] I think Cowher is what we need. Which is stability[/QUOTE]

How is bringing in a coach who's defensive theory is completely different to the one we've had continuity. Remember - Pittsburg, 3-4 defense; Us, 4-3 defense.

Cowher will probably ditch the current defensive staff (Do you think GW is going to coach for Cowher?) If Williams goes, so go Blache, Gray and Jackson (at a minimum).

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If Saunders was to get the job I would imagine he would stick with TC.I may be wrong,but I just don't want to see JC back on the bench.

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[quote]No thanks!! He's an Imbecile, why go backwards. I'm sure you Cowboy fans would love for us to pick the wrong coach.[/quote]

Stop being a douche, sfredskins. Sandtrapjack has been a member of this board longer than you and has been a great poster. Part of what makes this site great is we have regular posters from other persuasions. They add some balance in with the homerism to help give us the full perspective.

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[QUOTE=downtown4life;404159]COWHER. Hands down. Keep GW as defensive leader.[/QUOTE]

You are crazy...
If Cowher is hired....GW will score a head coaching job and split

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Everyone chill. Remember, personal attacks on fellow members violate the forum guidelines.

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[QUOTE=Daseal;404480]Stop being a douche, sfredskins. Sandtrapjack has been a member of this board longer than you and has been a great poster. Part of what makes this site great is we have regular posters from other persuasions. They add some balance in with the homerism to help give us the full perspective.[/QUOTE]

Hey diesel, I won't be childish like you and start with name calling. I'm just expressing my opinion I never insulted Sandtrapjack, if anything I even said his Cowboys would win the SB in another post. What happened to the good old ribbing? I said Billick is an Imbecile, not him. Chill out!!

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I've been sitting here thinking and thinking of who's next, and I just don't know. There is good and bad with every scenario. I just don't want to tear up this team after we started to get it right finally.

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Please not Cowher, or for that matter, any other "big name" coach.

Cowher is retired for a reason, he wants a break. Sure he could be lured by big $, but it that the type of motivation we want? that's been the problem w/players & coaches here, they come for the $. Joe was an exception, he wanted the challenge.

Cowher has already won a super bowl. We need a guy that has something to prove & wants to build a team & reputation. Some of the pieces are in place, so hire GW.

Although it's eerily similar to Pettibon's hiring in 93, GW has been a head coach before and now he's matured under Gibbs. Hire GW w/the condition that Al remain as OC, just as Jones did w/Garrett in dallas.

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I picked Williams...but mainly because I don't want to see everything we have now torn down. I certainly wouldn't hate the hire of Cowher, but Jsarno makes a good point about his offense being conservative...and wasn't that what everyone has been screaming about here for the last 4 years???? I think if Williams is hired and Saunders stays, I think everything stays very positive going into next season...especially from the point of view of the players!!!

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[quote=freddyg12;404492]Please not Cowher, or for that matter, any other "big name" coach.

Cowher is retired for a reason, he wants a break. Sure he could be lured by big $, but it that the type of motivation we want? that's been the problem w/players & coaches here, they come for the $. Joe was an exception, he wanted the challenge.

Cowher has already won a super bowl. We need a guy that has something to prove & wants to build a team & reputation. Some of the pieces are in place, so hire GW.

Although it's eerily similar to Pettibon's hiring in 93, GW has been a head coach before and now he's matured under Gibbs. Hire GW w/the condition that Al remain as OC, just as Jones did w/Garrett in dallas.[/quote]

Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;404492]Although it's eerily similar to Pettibon's hiring in 93, GW has been a head coach before and now he's matured under Gibbs. Hire GW w/the condition that Al remain as OC, just as Jones did w/Garrett in dallas.[/QUOTE]

I thought about the Pettibon/Williams comparison when I first heard about Gibbs' retirement. But, if Williams becomes the head coach, he will be walking into a very different situation. This team has a lot of talent and much of it is young. This team also may have a franchise QB. Pettibon inherited an aging team without a young, franchise QB at the helm.

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[quote=downtown4life;404189]What makes you guys think that GW can lead the complete team? The table is set to get in a proven coach-Cowher. Dont get me wrong, Williams has done wonders on the defense but look at Buffalo-he didnt seem to have it all. GW has had some questionable free agent pick ups too. lets not forget arch deluxe.[/quote]

Snyder went after Arch Deluxe, GW wanted to keep Ryan Clark and he alluded to it last year.

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They are saying on Sports Talk 980 that sources close to Vinny C say that it will be Cowher and he will be head coach and GM.

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[QUOTE=irish;404500]They are saying on Sports Talk 980 that sources close to Vinny C say that it will be Cowher and he will be head coach and GM.[/QUOTE]

Weren't they just citing Maske's blog?

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I've come around on Williams. I wanted him out at the end of the season after seeing almost 2 seasons of that Cover 2 getting picked apart, particularly in the 2nd half of games this year. However, from the Bears game on Williams is back to his old aggressive style and thrown out the Cover 2. Reading some of the info that the players on O & D want him to get the HC job shows that he has learned from Gibbs and is toning down the ego. I think with keeping our roster, coaching staff and O & D systems consistent, if we stay healthy next year we are in a good position.

If we keep GW as HC, our first immediate priority MUST be to get a GM. Cerrato will not get it done.

No way to Cowher. Let him do his return tour somewhere else.

If we don't hire GW as HC, we need to get the GM first and then go after Ron Rivera as HC.

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Keep it the way it is...GW and Saunders runing the O and D with one the head coach. We don't need a big overhaul and a year of starting over cutting and adding players to fit a new way of doing thing for a new head coach. Both Al and GW are great coaches and know what do to and the players they have and need to win so let them do it!

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[QUOTE=irish;404500]They are saying on Sports Talk 980 that sources close to Vinny C say that it will be Cowher and he will be head coach and GM.[/QUOTE]

Damn.
Is there any kind of link to this yet?

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List of prospects from John Clayton (sorry if it's already been posted--don't think I already saw it on this thread):

Jason Garrett Dallas Cowboys Offensive coordinator
Garrett is a hot name because of his impact on the development of Tony Romo. He's a candidate in Baltimore and Atlanta, but the team that gets him might have to wait until after the Super Bowl if the Cowboys win two playoff games.
Brian Billick Ex-Ravens coach
Billick is a big name and he's a winner. He's still stunned by his firing from the Ravens, but his résumé is hard to ignore. Having worked in Baltimore, he knows the media market, which is an asset for the owner.
Jim Caldwell Indianapolis Colts Assistant head coach/QB coach
Caldwell brings the Tony Dungy effect to a franchise. He is calm and stoic. Peyton Manning speaks about his understated value to the offense. Caldwell is a lead candidate in Atlanta and is drawing strong consideration from the Ravens.
Russ Grimm Arizona Cardinals Assistant head coach/offensive line coach
Snyder scored points with Redskins fans by hiring the Redskins' Hall of Fame coach, so why not hire one of their greatest offensive linemen? Grimm was a candidate for jobs in Chicago and Pittsburgh and is clearly ready to take the step into head coaching.
Mike Singletary San Francisco 49ers Assistant head coach/linebackers coach
A Hall of Famer, Singletary is probably going to get an interview for the Falcons' job soon. He has been groomed the past couple seasons to be a head coach.
Rex Ryan Baltimore Ravens Defensive coordinator
Ravens players are campaigning for him to be head coach, and he reportedly had a great interview with Baltimore over the weekend.

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[quote=irish;404500]They are saying on Sports Talk 980 that sources close to Vinny C say that it will be Cowher and he will be head coach and GM.[/quote]

No F'ing way. I will be so pissed if this happens.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;404504]Damn.
Is there any kind of link to this yet?[/QUOTE]
Is this going to be Marty S all over again? Say it isn't so!

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If we are going to started all over lets go with Russ Grimm but not Cowher!

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This is like when ST was shot. Post after post of pure speculation.We don't have a clue whats going to happen next although each of us has our on preferences.

My mind is running 100 mph on different scenarios ,but I'm gonna wait till the presser is over.Surely we will have some answers then.

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i wouldn't compare this to ST getting shot but yeah lets just see what happens.

If it is cowher i'll be happy. If GW moves up I'll be happy. We will get a good coach. But if we don't know by the press conference i'll definitely be going crazy. I'm going to try and chill till then. UGHGHGH.

I guess if it is GW we will definitely know at 3.

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[quote=irish;404500]They are saying on Sports Talk 980 that sources close to Vinny C say that it will be Cowher and he will be head coach and GM.[/quote]

The ink is not even dry on Gibbs resignation letter and no interviews have been done. Has anyone told Cowher about this?

And lets not forget the "Rooney Rule".

There is a lot that has to happen before someone can say this.

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I do think that people confuse Bill Cowher with Dick Lebeau. Lebeau has been there a long time and I honestly don't know that it is Cowher's preferred system compared with Lebeau. Remember when Tomlin went to coach the steelers, there was debate about which d they would run, since Tomlin was a 4-3 guy and Lebeau was 3-4. I think the point may be moot anyway as the best defenses incorporate elements of both in their schemes.