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Yeah he's a choker; flash in the pan. Hopefully the media will stop blowing him now and jessica will dump his ass. On the other hand how about TO's postgame interview? I think he needs to be put on suicide watch this offseason.

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[QUOTE=killromo;407362]Yeah he's a choker; flash in the pan. Hopefully the media will stop blowing him now and jessica will dump his ass. On the other hand how about TO's postgame interview? [B]I think he needs to be put on suicide watch this offseason[/B].[/QUOTE]

That's hilarious. :doh:

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other than not throwing the ball away instead of taking a sack,i thought romo played well.his wrs played like they could'nt find their asses with both hands and a telescope though.maybe it's just me,but i hate the giants almost as bad as i do dallas,and i hope green bay just beats the shit out of them sunday!

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I think calling the guy a choke artist after 2 playoffs starts is a little harsh. IMO, both of the games he lost were games that are understandable. The fashion in which they lost them is up for debate, but last year, on the road, they lose to a decent Seattle team. The fumbled snap could have happened to anyone, but it was pretty much all his fault. That's a given, and I honestly can't say I remember how he played in the Seattle game, but that is what most people are going to remember. It is something that shouldn't have happened, but it did and it cost them the game.

As for yesterday, I think a lot of that loss does go on Romo for losing his cool, but that's about as far as I take it as for blaming him. If Patrick Crayton had made that catch over the middle, it changes the entire complexion of the game. If the Dallas defense makes a stop at the end of the first half, I don't think the Giants recover. If Romo got much protection at all during the second half of that game, he probably would have been able to go to work. That was very much a team loss and Dallas (the entire team) didn't look like the team they were early in the year.

Also, it's always tough to beat a divisional opponent, particularly in the NFC East. It's also tough to beat the same team 3 times in one season, those two things alone had me picking the Cowboys to lose the game yesterday. It was gonna be a tough game and the Giants outplayed them overall when it came to making critical plays.

As far as playing poorly down the stretch, I'm not sure what to attribute that to. However, it is consistent with last season when Romo started to look pedestrian. I think the guy is a very good QB in this league, it may take him a while to mature in the playoffs, but the kid can play. I just hope he continues this trend because I never want to see them hoist another Lombardi trophy in big D.

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[quote=Schneed10;407353]Yeah they were not keeping guys off Romo, true. But step up and take a 5 yard sack, don't run back and take a 10 yard one. And don't commit intentional grounding. And don't bitch at your offensive line in the middle of the game - exactly what does that accomplish?[/quote]

No one is happier to see Romo fail than me, but I guess you've also got to consider that his scrambling and improvising back there in the pocket has also resulted in some pretty big plays this year as well. Right now that is his game and you've got to live and die with it (for now). As he gets older (and slower) that will have to change. He almost got away a couple of times even towards the end of the Giants game, the problem at the end was that the Giants had 3 and 4 guys coming at him in waves rather than just one guy getting free. Have to give the credit to the Giants defense, they really played well, especially at the end when the stopped the Cowboys even when they had good field positions and multiple opportunities to win the game.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't call Romo a choke artist, anymore than I would call JC a choke artist. When you are playing from behind it becomes more likely that you're going to make a mistake (unless you're one of the all-time greats).

T.O.'s tearful presser notwithstanding, I would be concerned if my QB was hanging out with a pop star in Mexico rather than prepping for the game in his down time before a divisional playoff game. That's not just the media, that's an indication of how seriously you take the game. I also heard some Cowboys were at the National Championship game on Monday night. Not that they lost the game because of those things, but in a close matchup any little edge could help. You've got the offseason for those things.

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[quote=Schneed10;407353]Yeah they were not keeping guys off Romo, true. But step up and take a 5 yard sack, don't run back and take a 10 yard one. And don't commit intentional grounding. And don't bitch at your offensive line in the middle of the game - exactly what does that accomplish?[/quote]

I don't have a problem with him bitching at the line. I've seen alot of QB's do that. Hell, Collins was bitching out Sellers right on the field for messing up. That shit happens all the time. The other stuff is just his style of play. He's not a stand in the pocket and stare down the rush kind of guy. He's more of a street ball type of guy. He tries to run around and make plays. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

I'm not sticking up for the guy. He made his share of mistakes. No doubt about it. I just hate it when people seem to blame one guy when it's the whole team that lost the game.

All QB's do some stupid shit when they've been knocked around by 280lb strong as hell NFL DE's. Look at Collins last week? He didn't look like the same guy we'd seen the previous weeks when the line was protecting him did he?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;407348]I agree. He was rattled. But I don't see many QB's in the NFL that don't get rattled when they are under pressure. No question he screwed up. But what about Dallas getting beat on special teams? Allowing two big returns that set up NYG scores? All the blame gets thrown to Romo. He should get some blame but to call him a choker is just going too far.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Crayton dropped 2 passes, one which probably would have been a TD in the 2nd half. Owens dropped 2 passes. Then the special teams. After the cowb!tches went up 17-14, the Giants returned the kick to mid-field. Giants got a first down and Ware had the huge sack. B!tches got the ball back and the punt coverage let them down.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;407352]Just like Schneed said, have you watched him this whole December? It wasn't just the Giants game. It was every game this December. He just hasn't played well.

When TO is out you see exactly how vital he is to making Tony look a LOT better than he is.[/quote]

TO is one of the best WR's of all time. If he misses any amount of time of course it's going to hurt the offense and the QB. If Randy Moss misses time in NE no way do they score as many points w/out him.

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Yeah he's the worst. After that loss he said he felt comfortable in his own skin and confident in his decisions.

Then you have poor (Forest Gump) Wade Phillips with 30 seconds left and Vulture Owner Jones breathing down his neck. It reminded me off that funny schene in Goodfellas where Joe Pesci hits the guy in the head with a bottle in the restaurant after he emabarrassed Joe about owing money for the check.

Dallas has no playoff win for 12 straight years!!

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[quote=coggs;407384]Agreed. Crayton dropped 2 passes, one which probably would have been a TD in the 2nd half. Owens dropped 2 passes. Then the special teams. After the cowb!tches went up 17-14, the Giants returned the kick to mid-field. Giants got a first down and Ware had the huge sack. B!tches got the ball back and the punt coverage let them down.[/quote]

Fasano let one hit him the chest in the endzone, too. At first it looked like the Gints secondary got a hand on it to break it up, but the replay clearly showed he just missed it.

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[quote=coggs;407384]Agreed. Crayton dropped 2 passes, one which probably would have been a TD in the 2nd half. Owens dropped 2 passes. Then the special teams. After the cowb!tches went up 17-14, the Giants returned the kick to mid-field. Giants got a first down and Ware had the huge sack. B!tches got the ball back and the punt coverage let them down.[/quote]

Congrats bro. The G-men are just balling right now. To win that many in a row on the road is just impressive.

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[quote=skinsfan69;407392]TO is one of the best WR's of all time. If he misses any amount of time of course it's going to hurt the offense and the QB. If Randy Moss misses time in NE no way do they score as many points w/out him.[/quote]

Right. But Brady can work with even crappy receivers...

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Not sure if I'd call him a choke artise but maybe he should not plan a vacation with the biggest game of his career coming up. I give the win to a hard playing Giants D and an O that did just enough to pull out the win. If you look at Eli's stats in the last couple of games he is peaking at the right time.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;407404]Right. But Brady can work with even crappy receivers...[/quote]

Yes he can work with crappy WR's cause he's Tom Brady. Dude is just a great QB with the sickest pocket pressence I've ever seen. They almost got to the SB last year with those crappy WR's. HOWEVER, I didn't see Brady throwing 50TD passes to those crappy wr's either.

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I'm not taking anything away from Brady.

I'm just taking things away from Romo. :biggthump

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[QUOTE=firstdown;407407]Not sure if I'd call him a choke artise but maybe he should not plan a vacation with the biggest game of his career coming up. I give the win to a hard playing Giants D and an O that did just enough to pull out the win. If you look at Eli's stats in the last couple of games he is peaking at the right time.[/QUOTE]

Agreed....it's pretty bad when the headlines of the Dallas Morning News names his article after the game "Let the Vacations Begin...oh wait...They Already Have!" No support for Romo....not even in Dallas....at least TO has his back.

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[quote=angryssg;407293]You took what I said a little out of context. The major discussion is whether or not it is too soon to call Romo a choke artist. My answer is yes it is premature. I used Peyton as an example of a guy who always got crap for not winning playoff games consistently. I am not saying that Romo is Peyton, but it is too early to tell who will have the better career when it is all over. The vacation issue that you brought up has no bearing on the thread question. Going on vacation does not earn you the label of "choker". It just means that you [B]may[/B] have questionable work ethic or priorities. Either way it is not my place to decide. That is between him, his co-workers, and his boss; and has zero relevance to this conversation.[/quote]

I may owe you an apology. As regards to the vacation I was agreeing that it was to early to call him a choke artist but this may be a reason for a poor performance and a very unprofessional thing for him to do.

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I think Romo went to Neverland Ranch instead of Mexico....

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I think it's a little early to call Romo a choke artist. I hate the guy and his stupid grin, but he's a great QB. Last year was squarely on him. This year, he was okay against the NYG. His receivers dropped a few balls, his top two receivers were less than 100%, his line got tired, and the playcalling was less than spectacular.

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Personally I'm hesitant to put him in the great category just yet. He's simply too inconsistent.

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I think we could call the Dallas Cowboys choke artists.

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[QUOTE=lespaul;407565]I think we could call the Dallas Cowboys choke artists.[/QUOTE]

That's right, 12 yrs and running.....

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[quote=Mattyk72;407557]Personally I'm hesitant to put him in the great category just yet. He's simply too inconsistent.[/quote]

Agreed, I'd rank 'em like so:

1) P Manning
2) T Brady
3) B Favre
4) D Brees
5) B Roethlisberger
6) C Palmer
7) T Romo
8) D McNabb
9) M Hasselbeck
10) J Garcia

If you can't make top 5 of active players, you can't be considered GREAT. On that list above, I see 3 great ones. All others are varying degrees of good - very good.

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And I should add Romo throws too many picks. He threw 13 last year in little over a half season of work and he tossed 19 in a full season this year.

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Most in the league, by the way.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;407582]Most in the league, by the way.[/quote]

Palmer, Eli, and Kitna all had 20, but then right there were Romo and Derek Anderson with 19. So yeah, he sucks nards.

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Romo will be setting up a new business venture this offseason:

"Tony Romo's Chrome Removal: Now Specializing in Trailer Hitches"

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[QUOTE=724Skinsfan;407639]Romo will be setting up a new business venture this offseason:

"Tony Romo's Chrome Removal: Now Specializing in Trailer Hitches"[/QUOTE]

What about his part time job: Golf ball recovery with a specialty in the Garden Hose technique?

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[quote=Schneed10;407603]Palmer, Eli, and Kitna all had 20, but then right there were Romo and Derek Anderson with 19. So yeah, he sucks nards.[/quote]

Ah, damn, it was like a game before when I saw that. :(

Oh well, that's still taking a LOT of chances with the ball.

I love when he scrambles and just HEAVES it up for grabs.

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funny stuff guys . . . i always thought romo didnt have what it takes to be a great nfl quarterback (few do) and was happy that the cowboys were putting their faith and success in his hands but half way thru this year i was starting to think i was wrong and maybe he is better than i thought making the cowboys a team to contend with.

thankfully, i wasnt wrong. he is inconsistent and takes too many risks.

funny quote from the booth guys yesterday "he doesnt throw it away when hes outside the pocket under pressure but does when hes in the pocket with no pressure".

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I choked on a bone before, but it is nothing compared to how much Romo choked in the playoffs lol.

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[QUOTE=NinjaLink;407654]I choked on a bone before, but it is nothing compared to how much Romo choked in the playoffs lol.[/QUOTE]

Too easy.

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[quote=over the mountain;407652]funny stuff guys . . . i always thought romo didnt have what it takes to be a great nfl quarterback (few do) and was happy that the cowboys were putting their faith and success in his hands but half way thru this year i was starting to think i was wrong and maybe he is better than i thought making the cowboys a team to contend with.

thankfully, i wasnt wrong. he is inconsistent and takes too many risks.

funny quote from the booth guys yesterday "he doesnt throw it away when hes outside the pocket under pressure but does when hes in the pocket with no pressure".[/quote]
So if you think that about Romo then what do you think about JC. 12 tds 11 ints 60% completion and around 70 QB ranking? Romo was 36TDs 18 ints 64 completion and around 97 QB ranking.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;407659]Too easy.[/quote]

Seems like it was too hard, actually...and now I'm done. I need to go wash.

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[quote=firstdown;407660]So if you think that about Romo then what do you think about JC. 12 tds 11 ints 60% completion and around 70 QB ranking? Romo was 36TDs 18 ints 64 completion and around 97 QB ranking.[/quote]

Why does someone always have to bring this sort of thing up when we're having fun at a Cowboys expense??

Are you a closet Cowboys fan or do you just enjoy pissing on the parade?

Have fun, relax, and try some Cowboy bashing. It's good for the Redskin soul.

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No shit, we're giving Campbell a break because he's kind of had a little less NFL experience than Romo.

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The word Redskins in the URL should be a tip-off of what team this message board is primarily about.

Look, we all know Campbell has his areas where he needs improvement. And I'm sure all of us would rather be gloating over a Skins' win over the Cowboys, instead of the Giants winning. We're not ignorant to that.

But a little sense of humor never hurt anyone

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And again, it's because Campbell is a Redskin and Romo is a Cowboy.

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[quote=Mattyk72;407674]Why does someone always have to bring this sort of thing up when we're having fun at a Cowboys expense??

Are you a closet Cowboys fan or do you just enjoy pissing on the parade?

Have fun, relax, and try some Cowboy bashing. It's good for the Redskin soul.[/quote]
I just wanted to rain on your perade!

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[quote=Schneed10;407341]Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. [B]He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head[/B].[/quote]


Schneed that is an excellent point, my brother noticed that too, that seems to be the one big critism of Tony Romo.