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Wouldn't it be something if Zorn and Jim Schwartz came here and Saunders and Williams replaced them in Seattle and Tennessee?

I mean I really wouldn't be so surprised to see Saunders in Seattle except for the fact that his offensive philosophy doesn't jibe with Holmgren's

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[quote=SouperMeister;412901]Nothing against Zorn, but hiring an OC before a head coach shows just how clueless Vinny and Danny are about conducting a coaching search. Let's hypothetically assume that Snyder is putting all his eggs in the Fassel basket. What if Fassel has a sudden change of heart about coaching here? Where does that leave us? You ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS lock down the head coach FIRST, then let him assemble his staff. With the Zorn signing, we can stop speculating about McDaniel and Spagnuolo as candidates, because I can't imagine either interviewing for an owner who took the prerogative to assemble the coaching staff prior to their interview.[/quote]

If there is one thing that i trust about danny boy is that he gets what he wants. I'm not saying his decisions are always the smart ones but he does get what he wants. If danny is putting his eggs in one basket, he isn't going to drop that basket.

I don't know though. We will have to see what happens but i do agree with you that Spagnuolo probably won't be our coach. I would think snyder has it narrowed down to just the people who have told him that they like zorn. So i don't know why we might be waiting two weeks. It seems snyder already knows who will be the next coach.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;412935]Wouldn't it be something if Zorn and Jim Schwartz came here and Saunders and Williams replaced them in Seattle and Tennessee?

I mean I really wouldn't be so surprised to see Saunders in Seattle except for the fact that his offensive philosophy doesn't jibe with Holmgren's[/QUOTE]And wouldn't we be the big winners in all of this :-)

I can understand why they would want to look past Williams, but I don't understand why Fassel is higher than Schwartz on Snyder's candidate chain. It seems like every interviewee the Skins had "blew them away." This whole process has pretty much led to the most recent interviewee being the frontrunner for the job.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;412854]Well, so much for patience...

I would have thought Al Saunders gets at least one more season to allow Campbell to get a good handle of the offense, get some offensive linemen healed up, and maybe snag a wideout who doesn't drop the ball every other throw.

But... that's not the way things are done here under Lil' Danny.[/QUOTE]

LOL!
You are so right, Lil' Danny is back to his old ways. Change all the coaches, but the one thing that stays constant besides losing (Skins are 58-70 since Danny took over), Vinny by his side. Hmmm? But "it ain't broke..so don't fix it...(58-70) is ok.

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What if the new coach didn't want Saunders? Would it be ok then to allow the coach to have the OC he wants. Or would it be "Little Danny Boy" just meddling?

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I like the move. That's not to say I didn't want Saunders back for at least one more year, but I see good things from Zorn.

I actually believe Campbell will thrive more in a West Coast offense than he did in Saunders' offense. Just my opinion.

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is there OFFICIAL word that Al Saunders is gone???

if so.. the Redskins f***d up once again..

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"Here are a couple of pieces on Zorn"

Holy Cow! Look at those shorts...they don't leave much to the imagination

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;412871]Sorry but the west coast offense is VERY COMPLICATED w/ a ton of verbage and it's more complicated than Al's offense. When I use to play football we ran something like the Coyell, Gibbs offense. It's tough for the Qb but it's very very easy for everyone else.[/QUOTE]


Zorn dosen't neccessarily run the so called west coast offense. He has worked in several different offensive formats in his career, both as a player, and as a coach. Let's see how it plays out.

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[quote=CPAlltheWay012;412946]is there OFFICIAL word that Al Saunders is gone???

if so.. the Redskins f***d up once again..[/quote]

No "OFFICIAL" word, but why is that needed? They have already hired a new OC, to take over his job.

How more official does it need to be?

For what logical reason have the Redskin F***ed up on this move?

JLC Redskin Insider:

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif] UPDATE II: A source with knowledge of the situation said this evening that Saunders has been told to look for work elsewhere and that he does not expect to return to the team in any capacity.
Word of Zorn's hiring comes a day after Joe Gibbs called Redskins assistant coaches to tell them that the search for his replacement is likely to take several more weeks.
"They haven't told us anything [about Zorn]," one Redskins assistant said. "I heard about it on the radio. I have no idea what it means for us."[/FONT]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;412797]Well here is the first move of what could be many. [/QUOTE]


Sweet! Ah, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, uhh, huh?? Is it many pieces of sky falling, or many pieces of kingdom building?

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Dannyboy hires an OC first.....what the hell is that?....seems we will have Jim Fossil face as our coach......he must of been the low hanging fruit that would allow Dannyboy and Vinny C. to meddle with the team and play their fantasy football. I'm sure G. Williams basically told Danny that he would be the "coach" and in charge of everything and Dannyboy didn't like that. Dannyboy better be at the first press conference to answer the question...."You kept talking about continuity and being so close when Gibbs left....so why did you blow up the coaching staff?".........hopefully everything will turn out well in the end...but if we blow the first 4 games with a "new" outside coach.....Dannyboy better get ready for the "Fire Snyder" chants.....

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Zorn? Isn't that the guy that tried to create a micro-chip monopoly by blowing up Silicon Valley?
[IMG]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g15/Turd_Cutter/4029522_std.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=redsk1;412893]I still don't understand the FO hiring Zorn unless they already have a HC. The HC is supposed to hire their staff!!! Maybe this will iron itself out, but i don't quite understand this move.

With all this, I still don't understand why the FO is intent on getting rid of Al Saunders, who's history, is one of an annual top 5 or 10 offense. It's clear that the Redskins talent is mediocre not the coaching. I don't think DS or VC can see this thru their burgundy colored glasses. Al Saunders is a great O coach. Sad to see him go.

Why do we now wait for Spagnuola to interview? If he's hired he might not want Zorn unless it's already been spoken about.

As Chris Landry said on the radio...as he laughed...it starts at the top and right now we need a football guy to make football decisions. He stated that the problem isn't our coaches b/c right now we have some of the best coaches in the league. Talent wise we're still somewhere around average.

How true. It looks like DS's making the decisions not a football guy. Sorry to be so negative, Zorn, from what I've heard is pretty impressive/hard working guy. He could turn out to be good. I just don't agree w/ hiring a staff before a HC. I also don't think alot of guys are better than Al Saunders. If so, i'd challenge anyone to name them.[/QUOTE]


Hard to prove Zorn is a better OC than Saunders....look what happened the last month of the season...very productive offense and a significant playoff run with an old QB...everyone from the Chiefs said it took a full 2 years to get the system down....what does synder do? ditch Saunders when it is finally starting to work....for who?
Zorn...a flashy name with minimal experience....

Am I wrong? Doesn't Zorn have zero OC experience?

Wow...going from the most experience offensive coordinator to the least...thats one way to improve offensive performance....

Geeze, I hope Im wrong and Zorn tears it up....his youth is good if he does.
But damn...it looks like the first step in blowing up a strong coaching staff.

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im pretty excited by this.....this could be great for campbell, he ran a similar offense aT auburn

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;412963]Hard to prove Zorn is a better OC than Saunders....look what happened the last month of the season...very productive offense and a significant playoff run with an old QB...everyone from the Chiefs said it took a full 2 years to get the system down....what does synder do? ditch Saunders when it is finally starting to work....for who?
Zorn...a flashy name with minimal experience....

Am I wrong? Doesn't Zorn have zero OC experience?

Wow...going from the most experience offensive coordinator to the least...thats one way to improve offensive performance....

Geeze, I hope Im wrong and Zorn tears it up....his youth is good if he does.
But damn...it looks like the first step in blowing up a strong coaching staff.[/QUOTE]

Since when is Jim Zorn a flashy name? Zorn wasn't on anyone's radar.

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[quote=Counter-Tre;412960]Zorn? Isn't that the guy that tried to create a micro-chip monopoly by blowing up Silicon Valley?
[IMG]http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g15/Turd_Cutter/4029522_std.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

One of my favorite Bond movies of all time. His character name was Zorin.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215121]ESPN - Williams is out of running for Redskins' coaching job - NFL[/url]

This is turning into some real Jerry Springer stuff....somehow I don't see Williams "bad mouthing" Gibbs

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;412972][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215121]ESPN - Williams is out of running for Redskins' coaching job - NFL[/url]

This is turning into some real Jerry Springer stuff....somehow I don't see Williams "bad mouthing" Gibbs[/QUOTE]

This needs it's own thread! Mods?

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Well Zorn is a good choice but I would of stuck with Al Saunders for another year to see if Campbell could take his game to the next level. Now Campbell and the Skins offense has to learn a new offense. Hopefully this works out. HTTR.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;412963]Hard to prove Zorn is a better OC than Saunders....look what happened the last month of the season...very productive offense and a significant playoff run with an old QB...everyone from the Chiefs said it took a full 2 years to get the system down....what does synder do? ditch Saunders when it is finally starting to work....for who?
Zorn...a flashy name with minimal experience....

Am I wrong? Doesn't Zorn have zero OC experience?

Wow...going from the most experience offensive coordinator to the least...thats one way to improve offensive performance....

Geeze, I hope Im wrong and Zorn tears it up....[B]his youth is good if he does[/B].
But damn...it looks like the first step in blowing up a strong coaching staff.[/QUOTE]

Zorn is 54; 6 years younger than Saunders, and 5 years older than Gregg Williams.

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Is it possible for a new OC to adopt the complete 700 page playbook from the old OC?

I'm sure it would be easier for Zorn to adapt than all 22 Offensive players to change, don't you think?

Not that he would of course use all 700 pages, but gosh it seems an awful waste of good paper!

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[QUOTE=kjahorski;412957]Dannyboy hires an OC first.....what the hell is that?....seems we will have Jim Fossil face as our coach......he must of been the low hanging fruit that would allow Dannyboy and Vinny C. to meddle with the team and play their fantasy football. I'm sure G. Williams basically told Danny that he would be the "coach" and in charge of everything and Dannyboy didn't like that. Dannyboy better be at the first press conference to answer the question...."You kept talking about continuity and being so close when Gibbs left....so why did you blow up the coaching staff?".........hopefully everything will turn out well in the end...but if we blow the first 4 games with a "new" outside coach.....Dannyboy better get ready for the "Fire Snyder" chants.....[/QUOTE]

I agree with this post 100%. The moves this front office is taking make no sense but hopefully it works out for the best. HTTR.

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Am I the only one that think Nick Saban and Jim Zorn look almost exactly alike?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;412846]I know no one (many of you) wants to hear it, but does anyone even remotely consider the possibility that Campbell was asked what he felt most comfortable with and the answer wasn't Saunders?[/QUOTE]

In college they asked him a similar question, they said would he be more comfortable using a pen, or a pencil, he said he would be more comfortable with a box of crayons.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;412846]I know no one (many of you) wants to hear it, but does anyone even remotely consider the possibility that Campbell was asked what he felt most comfortable with and the answer wasn't Saunders?[/QUOTE]

Um I read in the Virginian Pilot down here in Virginia Beach a couple days ago that he hoped Saunders would stay offensive Coordinator because he knows the playbook and has learned alot from him.

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I actually like the hiring of Zorn but I can't stand how the front office is dealing with negative fan backlash of a possible Fassel hiring. Trying to make like G. Williams a bad guy and not fit to be promoted is criminal.

If you don't want to promote him to HC that's fine, but don't come with this fictional event to get Skins fans at ease with letting him go.

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[quote=SouperMeister;412901]Nothing against Zorn, but hiring an OC before a head coach shows just how clueless Vinny and Danny are about conducting a coaching search. Let's hypothetically assume that Snyder is putting all his eggs in the Fassel basket. What if Fassel has a sudden change of heart about coaching here? Where does that leave us? You ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS lock down the head coach FIRST, then let him assemble his staff. With the Zorn signing, we can stop speculating about McDaniel and Spagnuolo as candidates, because I can't imagine either interviewing for an owner who took the prerogative to assemble the coaching staff prior to their interview.[/quote]

100% agree...this would stupid unless we already have a coach.

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[quote=SmootSmack;412846]I know no one (many of you) wants to hear it, but does anyone even remotely consider the possibility that Campbell was asked what he felt most comfortable with and the answer wasn't Saunders?[/quote]

No. Not very likely.

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[QUOTE=redwagonskins;412822]Anybody else think this is putting the cart before the horse? An OC before an HC? Maybe the decision has already been made.[/QUOTE]

thats my thinking as well.things that make you go hmmm doesn,t it..

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[QUOTE=The Gremlin;413083]Um I read in the Virginian Pilot down here in Virginia Beach a couple days ago that he hoped Saunders would stay offensive Coordinator because he knows the playbook and has learned alot from him.[/QUOTE]

Never believe the Pilot!

Check here and the WashPost first, because it is days ahead of the Pilot.


This from having lived more than 35 years in Hampton Roads, now 55 mis. further south, near our five grandkids.

I'd even go to the Washtimes once in a while just for for k&g!

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jc will be trade and seneca wallace will be are new qb!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm very happy that Saunders is gone..

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[quote=dirthogs311;412817]Or maybe its a sign GW could become HC[/quote]

I was really hoping that might be the case... but leave it to Dan to squash my hopes.

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[quote=hesscl34;413120]I'm very happy that Saunders is gone..[/quote]
i was never really that big on Saunders. with that being said, the best move for Jason Campbell might have been Saunders staying

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[quote=redsk1;413104]100% agree...this would stupid unless we already have a coach.[/quote]

I'm betting there already is a coach. Maybe the paperwork has not been signed but why would anyone want to go to a job not knowing who your boss is? or I should say who you are directly answering to. What if it turned out to be someone you never wanted to work for or dispised? I'm betting the co ordinaters who will be coming in know. I think DS is waiting for all the puzzle pieces to fall into place and then make one announcement. While waving good bye to the out going staff.

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I think it's no coincidence that JC's best season in college came when he was running a WC offense. And here comes Zorn with his plan to run [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012503449.html"]an aggressive passer-friendly version of the West Coast offense[/URL]. It would not shock me of JC put his seal of approval on this hire.

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Here's what I can tell you about offenses in general: ones that allow for higher quarterback completion percentages also allow for higher touchdown totals, and lower interception totals.

Now, not every kind of "west coast offense" necessarily makes it QB friendly, and no one knows for sure if Zorn is even going to run a west coast scheme. But a scheme that stresses completing passes is going to inflate passing efficiency for ANY QB, and of course, Campbell included.

The big key is to find a way to do it that isn't at the expense of rushing efficiency. Course, as the Redskins, that shouldn't be a problem. We couldn't run last year anyway.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;412906]I know the whole "quit yer bitchin" mantra is in right now. I also think some people (i.e., the "I'm selling my Redskins gear" crowd) are getting overworked and looking silly. That said, the notion that I, as a devoted fan, cannot take issue with front office moves is equally silly (no offense dblanch). As the owner, Dan has the power to make front office moves, but as a fan, I have every right to disagree with front office moves in a reasonable and articulate fashion.[/QUOTE]

Right on. No matter what happens, though, its out of our hands. Sometimes it seems like we're at a hairdresser's rather than a football forum. Reasonable and articulate have not been words representative of many of the posts I am reading lately. Bottom line is the current staff did not get it done. We barely got into the playoffs and lost to a team that really wasn't very good. I'm tired of eeking by. If it has to be blown up: so be it. If it's Zorn, Meeks, Fassel, Billick, George Allen reincarnated, whatever, then I'm all for it if the Redskins can field a team that not only "fights their guts out" but plays well and actually wins games by more than 3 points.

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So... how long until Collins is gone? Without AS, his values is nil.